Spoilers The Flash - Season 3
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In the cemetery scene, she still had the white hair and the dark lips but her eyes were normal again. She did not look full on killer frost but still had some of the features. So I think your interpretation is what the writers were trying to convey in that scene. She is killer frost but not quite which is why she said that she needs time to figure things out. I think the show is setting things up for her to be a "nicer" killer frost.
Superhero shows seem to shy away from completely irredeemable female villains, likely for the Dating Catwoman trope.
Risky shot to take, imagine if she missed and hit Barry (her Barry)
As I said, she was directly behind him (as evidenced by the fact that the bullet hit him in the back). It was a straight line: Iris ----------------- Savitar --- Flash. Unless Savitar dodged sideways or phased, that bullet was going to hit him instead of the Flash.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Her full-on transformation has probably made her powers and her physical change permanent, and she probably still has a lot of the same anger and lack of inhibition that drove KF, but she now has Caitlin's empathy and values alongside them. She's both Caitlin and KF now, so she's neither.
When she said she'd become someone else, my first thought was, "What, you're the Green Arrow now?"
Tell that to Queen Rhea of Daxam...
Great finale
It was telegraphed a mile away last episode that HR was going to take Iris place but nevertheless it was a "cool" way for him to go showing that you don't need to be a superscientist/engineer or superpowered to be a hero.. determination and a strong heart is enough.
At first i didn't like the character much.. too much one liners that seemed forced and a grating personality but over the course of the season they expanded on his character and he became quite likeable, providing much needed levity at times when the show went very dark.. as they said at the end "He understood life" and i think he was an important part of the group at this point (and could have been in the future).
Caitlin/Killer Frost was also amazing and i'm happy she didn't take the Deus Ex Machina and reurn to her old self. She is now a Caitlin/Killer Frost mix and i liked that far better because i never understood the reasoning why she had to turn evil if she used her power. She is now set on her own path and i hope she gets to find out who she is now and at one point returns to the group as someone new but yet familiar. Oh.. and while Danielle Panabaker was always attractive she now looks very hot.. i really like her look now that she lost the crazy eyes contact lenses. I hope she gets to keep the look.
The high point of the show though was Grant Gustin playing Savitar and his face to face with Barry Allen.. that was top notch acting and to me he is the best actor in the Arrowverse (but also gets the best scenes in my opinion). Savitar showing his pain seemed so real (even if he "acted" it) and the whole scene between him and Barry and later on with the entire gang was just brilliant. His turn back came a little abrupt and i would have liked if the writers would have found a different solution to end the Savitar storyline than just him playing the gang.
However it led to one of the most amazing action scenes in the show.. 3 Speedsters vs Savitar and 2 Viber's against Killer Frost.. it looked friggin' mind blowing and someting i wanted to see for a long time now that so many Speedsters are in the show and they topped it off by Barry kicking Savitar out of his own suit!
The end seemed a little tacked on to pave the way for season 4.. Barry won't remain in the prison for long, that's for sure but we will see how much of the season he will sit out, i don't think it'll be more than 2-3 episodes before he either breaks out the Prison or gets released. Come to think of it.. the entire thing doesn't make sense to me.. why is the Speedforce requiring a Prisoner and why, in the absence of it, is it becoming unstable?
I hope this gets explained better in Season 4 and i'm looking forward to who the villain is (hopefully a non Speedster for a change).
It was telegraphed a mile away last episode that HR was going to take Iris place but nevertheless it was a "cool" way for him to go showing that you don't need to be a superscientist/engineer or superpowered to be a hero.. determination and a strong heart is enough.
At first i didn't like the character much.. too much one liners that seemed forced and a grating personality but over the course of the season they expanded on his character and he became quite likeable, providing much needed levity at times when the show went very dark.. as they said at the end "He understood life" and i think he was an important part of the group at this point (and could have been in the future).
Caitlin/Killer Frost was also amazing and i'm happy she didn't take the Deus Ex Machina and reurn to her old self. She is now a Caitlin/Killer Frost mix and i liked that far better because i never understood the reasoning why she had to turn evil if she used her power. She is now set on her own path and i hope she gets to find out who she is now and at one point returns to the group as someone new but yet familiar. Oh.. and while Danielle Panabaker was always attractive she now looks very hot.. i really like her look now that she lost the crazy eyes contact lenses. I hope she gets to keep the look.
The high point of the show though was Grant Gustin playing Savitar and his face to face with Barry Allen.. that was top notch acting and to me he is the best actor in the Arrowverse (but also gets the best scenes in my opinion). Savitar showing his pain seemed so real (even if he "acted" it) and the whole scene between him and Barry and later on with the entire gang was just brilliant. His turn back came a little abrupt and i would have liked if the writers would have found a different solution to end the Savitar storyline than just him playing the gang.
However it led to one of the most amazing action scenes in the show.. 3 Speedsters vs Savitar and 2 Viber's against Killer Frost.. it looked friggin' mind blowing and someting i wanted to see for a long time now that so many Speedsters are in the show and they topped it off by Barry kicking Savitar out of his own suit!
The end seemed a little tacked on to pave the way for season 4.. Barry won't remain in the prison for long, that's for sure but we will see how much of the season he will sit out, i don't think it'll be more than 2-3 episodes before he either breaks out the Prison or gets released. Come to think of it.. the entire thing doesn't make sense to me.. why is the Speedforce requiring a Prisoner and why, in the absence of it, is it becoming unstable?
I hope this gets explained better in Season 4 and i'm looking forward to who the villain is (hopefully a non Speedster for a change).
Instead of a prison per se, I like to think that Barry is going to Speed Force School.
My guess is that since Savitar was imprisoned there for so long, its balance adjusted around him, so to speak; so yanking Jay out of the prison disrupted the balance. Like yanking out one of the supports holding up a building.
I wonder if Barry will be in there for four years (until Savitar was defeated in an earlier timeline). That would allow a time remnant Savitar to take over afterward. Of course, with time travel, he could show back up tomorrow.
Edit: On the other hand, trapped Savitar seemed to exist throughout time, so I'm not sure how it works.
Edit: On the other hand, trapped Savitar seemed to exist throughout time, so I'm not sure how it works.
What happened to Savitar's Acalytes? Did they say screw this im going home?
I liked the finale but like I said last night there wasn't really a reason to do a cliffhanger and the one they did was basically the ending to DS9. Gustan isn't leaving the show (with all due respect to Lonsdale) so he will find a way to leave the speed force. I hope it's a story that spans the first 3 episodes though. I do want to see Kid Flash doing Kid Flash things instead of coming back having it a few months later and Barry is back like nothing happened.
The star of this season really was HR. That whole scene from last week to this week was really emotionally poignant but unfortunately they wrapped up that so quickly that the episode never really recovered after that. It was decent but it was kind of the epitome of the season as a whole. An emotional high followed by something that was basically average.
I liked the finale but like I said last night there wasn't really a reason to do a cliffhanger and the one they did was basically the ending to DS9. Gustan isn't leaving the show (with all due respect to Lonsdale) so he will find a way to leave the speed force. I hope it's a story that spans the first 3 episodes though. I do want to see Kid Flash doing Kid Flash things instead of coming back having it a few months later and Barry is back like nothing happened.
The star of this season really was HR. That whole scene from last week to this week was really emotionally poignant but unfortunately they wrapped up that so quickly that the episode never really recovered after that. It was decent but it was kind of the epitome of the season as a whole. An emotional high followed by something that was basically average.
Maybe they get paid less than H.R. at Star Labs...
Question: why does Wally still have powers? Didn't we establish that messing with Savitar's existence would wipe out Kid Flash's speed?
Only when it's plot-convenient. Remember, when Thawne was wiped from existence, it should've undone all the events of the entire first season, but it didn't.
I guess you could say that if their future/past is changed, then they would continue to be a part of reality and so the effect of that change would retroactively affect things in the main timeline; but if their future/past actions are undone, then they're just remnants, and their actions as remnants do have a lasting impact that doesn't get erased because they themselves don't continue forward as part of the universe. I'm not sure I conveyed that idea well at all, and it doesn't quite make sense. Let me try it this way: Someone who continues to exist is inside the timestream, so the timestream changes when they are changed; but someone who's just an impermanent time remnant is from outside the timestream and having effects on things inside the timestream, so when they're erased, the timestream doesn't change with them and their effects remain, err, in effect. So, paradoxically, an impermanent being has a more permanent impact than a permanent one.
It reminded me more of Buffy Season 5 finale.
They left Harry to air out this season, he'll be as good as new next season.
Here's a left-field idea I had, what if the entire season was about trying to bring Barry back, but instead of a different Wells, they recruited a different Barry Allen this season to help out, with Kid Flash as the main Flash.
Her story isn't over yet. As much as I liked Caitlin I wouldn't have liked if she was simply cured and back to old Caitlin, I think it will be interesting to explore where she goes from here.
Basically Tuvix.
It only removes his speed when it's inconvenient to the plot.
They achieved enlightenment, realized that they were a completely stupid story point and deliberately choked themselves to death on mountains of their own uselessness.
That might have been (slightly) entertaining to see.
Basically Tuvix.
I wouldn't say that, because Caitlin and Killer Frost weren't really separate people, but essentially fictions created by the mind of a dissociative identity disorder sufferer. (The show never overtly established this, but it seems to be what we were seeing.) The goal of treatment in DID is to integrate the personalities, to get the person to accept that they're all parts of the same mind and end the dissociation, the delusion that they're separate people. That's basically what I think Caitlin did. It's more like in the comics when Bruce Banner became integrated with the Hulk and had Banner's mind in the Hulk's body. It's what TV Tropes calls a Split-Personality Merge.
I hope the Flash gets a new suit next season. I know new seasons are often a convenient time for the show runners to change things up. Plus, when Barry does come out of the Speed Force, a new suit will be a neat way to illustrate on the outside that he has changed on the inside.
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