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Spoilers Supergirl - Season 2

Yep, it's the "on any given Sunday..." principle cited in regard to American football (although anyone who follows that sport will tell you that it ain't really quite so).
 
If the TV shows followed comics tradition, in fact, next time around Clark might beat Kara - just to keep the issue unsettled and the debates going. The Hulk and The Thing used to swap the heavyweight title back and forth pretty regularly, IIRC.

I could see an episode revolving around a fun between family rematch.

I'd rather not have another mind control reason.
 
That very comment alone is sexist.

Reverse it. "A man beats up a woman, and vaginas are insulted."
Doesn't work that way. Reverse sexism doesn't exist since there isn't an equal balance of power. If you're threatened by women that's a personal issue not a systematic one.

Another sexist comment. Calling out bad writing has nothing to do with a male ego. If that were true, please explain how Supergirl's victories over other male opponents didn't generate this response.
It does when you're entirely focused on the gender of the two characters.

It's not about a woman beating up a man. It's about Supergirl beating Superman, and the writers going out of their way to make Superman into some submissive wimp.
He's not a wimp, he just lost a fight.

If Superman has to be weakened to make Kara stronger, then that's simply bad writing.
Or Supergirl is just stronger.

It says they don't trust themselves to actually have Kara show strength on her own.
Actually the show has done a pretty good job of it.

They could have accomplish everything in this episode without damaging Superman.
I don't see any damage.

Yeah, because of bad writing, writing Superman out of character, and an inability to write Supergirl as strong in her own right without the need to weaken Superman.
She's been a strong character for two seasons, all without fighting Clark.

It's a knowledge of the character.
I beg to differ.

You mean where Superman held back due to his upbringing and concern for human life and preventing collateral damage? Those comics? Or when unchecked, he does throw Supergirl around like a rag doll?

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Also the ones where she is just stronger.

Another sexist comment. You must really have a hatred for men.
Stop trying to project your insecurities onto me.

I don't have an issue with a woman scientist or comic reader. But you are still not correct here.
No you just throw a hissy fit if a woman ever holds any superiority over a man, even in fiction with two non-human characters.

You also missed the point. Yes, Krypto is a dog, and like dogs and humans, dogs have a greater sense of smell. Superman is more muscular, more experienced, better trained, and stronger than Supergirl. No chance she could actually beat him without some writers choosing to write him out of character and wimpify him, which is what happened here.
Well the show is called Supergirl, stands to reason she's going to come out on top. She raced The Flash and it ended in a tie, is that making Barry Allen into a wimp.

Are you seriously trying to argue that the writers didn't write Superman out of character by using what the writers wrote?
It was Superman being Superman. His character isn't defined by his ability to beat up his cousin.

Not really the best technique.
I enjoy their take on Superman. It's a lot better than the one in the current movies who is trying too hard to be Batman. That's actually far out of character.
 
This. ;)
It's hilarious how angry some people get over this. It's two Kryptonians fighting each other. What the fuck do we know who was "supposed to" win.
Fun fuct: In the Arrowerse, a Kryptonian's strength depends on his/her hair length. This is something that even the Kryptonians themselves don't know ;) And this is also the reason why previosly Superman beat Zod (by a hair).
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I could see an episode revolving around a fun between family rematch.

I'd be okay with a Superman spinoff - that would be kind of a first in itself.

Let James go over to that show and hang with Clark some more. Superman and Guardian, World's Finest. :lol:
 
Fun fuct: In the Arrowerse, a Kryptonian's strength depends on his/her hair length. This is something that even the Kryptonians themselves don't know ;) And this is also the reason why previosly Superman beat Zod (by a hair).
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Did everyone catch the rather sly suggestion that Hoechlin's Superman has gone up against Zod and didn't snap his neck? :D
 
Reverse sexism doesn't exist since there isn't an equal balance of power.

It isn't 'reverse sexism' it is just sexism.
I'm not agreeing with Kirk in anyway, but sexism does go both ways. It has nothing to do with power. It is just plain old discrimination.

I don't think any dictionary definition of sexism mentions it being Male to Female only.

They mention it is most of the time male to female, but never just male.
 
I'm not attacking you personally. I'm attacking your sexist posts.

Calling one sexist is a personal attack, especially when it's not true. That's just a trained reaction to anything questioning writing like this.

Kryptonian strength on Earth isn't based on their musculature anyway. The notion that any proportional advantage Clark might have based on mass would be increased exponentially because of Solar radiation is an arguable assumption at best; if his basic biology would give him, say, a three hundred pound advantage over Kara in the bench press then maybe that's exactly what he has: a three hundred pound advantage - and at their super-strength levels that's hardly decisive. It's just as likely that everyone's super-strength is at rough parity.

All things equal, size matters. There's a reason professional fighters are put in weight classes. You think Mayweather could beat even the worst heavyweight? A good big person will beat a good little person. It's basic nature. As for strength, it's well established that Kryptonians are like solar batteries, and Clark has more experience and more time on Earth.

Kirk Prime keeps on screaming about hypocrisy, but where was the hue and cry when Kaa defeated her maternal uncle Non in Season 1?

That's where the hypocrisy lies, and is what exposes this whining about Kara beating Kal for the sexist BS that it is.

So how would it be sexist if there was no complaint about Non? But now that you bring it up, there's a similar point--Kara was on Earth significantly longer than Non, and naturally would have more time under the yellow sun and more resiliency. If you actually watched that fight, it came down to a heat vision battle, not punch v. punch. When it came to hand to hand combat, in earlier episodes, Non did come out ahead. But here, it made perfect sense that she would win, since years under the yellow sun was her advantage--something Clark would have over her.

If anything, the fact that there was no complaint over Non shows a complete lack of sexism. It's more of a complaint about Superman being beaten in hand to hand, which goes not just against the nature of the character, but against nature itself.

If the answers to these match-ups were obvious and inarguable the whole genre would be impoverished, but there's no reason that the debates need to be personal and heated - at least among participants older than eight. ;).

Which is exactly why it is sad that there have been so many personal attacks by others because I don't like how Superman was written.
 
I want Superman and Supergirl to have a friendly arm wrestling match and end in a tie, just to reveal that Kara was holding back while Clark was actually trying.
 
It's a mistake to suggest that a man treated unfairly in a given situation is a victim of something called "sexism" because it's not systemic - just as a white guy treated unfairly somewhere in the United States (just to delimit the example) isn't a victim of racism. He's just being treated unfairly, possibly by someone who harbors personal bigotry against people like him. The pernicious "isms" require inculcated institutional and cultural advantage in order to flourish.

Which is exactly why it is sad that there have been so many personal attacks by others because I don't like how Superman was written.

As if anything about your conduct of the argument has been any more reasonable, measured and respectful?
 
Did everyone catch the rather sly suggestion that Hoechlin's Superman has gone up against Zod and didn't snap his neck?

Clearly this version of Superman just let a family get roasted by heat vision instead ;)
 
@Kirk Prime The sexism exists in the fact that you and others are taking umbrage with Supergirl beating Superman AT ALL, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, and is made all the worse by the fact that such an uproar was nonexistent the last time she defeated a male Kryptonian when both were at full strength.

IOW, if you stop complaining about this, the accusations of sexism will go away and we can all get back to discussing things about the series that actually matter.
 
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