Spoilers Supergirl - Season 2

[Tuskin38]

It is a fictional universe. One of many earths in the Arrowverse.

How do you not know Kryptonian women are not naturally stronger then men? They're not Human. Stop trying to judge them by human standards. This isn't the comic book universe this is the tv universe


I honestly don't give a rats ass how she won. If it was brute strength or a fluke, she won.

 

[Gov Kodos]

See there's another sexist comment, and an argument against something I did not say. I did not say that men must be superior than women. I say that physically, the average male is physically superior to the average female, a fact of nature.

No, your argument isn't a fact however much you assert it is, it remains only an opinion. A sexist opinion.

If they would have had Kara figure out a solution to a problem that Superman didn't think of, there wouldn't be any issue at all, unless of course they spent the entire episode with Superman running around saying that Kara was so much smarter than him. But that would be bad writing. The situation in this episode could have been handled much better without damaging Superman.

Superman wasn't damaged. He's a fictional character who lost a fictional fight. To a woman. That this irks you is due to a sexist belief that women must be portrayed as inferior and men superior.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Superman is so human that he looks in wonder at Kryptonians and Kryptonian science as if it's all massively godlike, and then accepts that that godishness is part of him too.

Supergirl Grew up on Krypton. It's normal and boring. She is not in awe of her own bog standard heritage, unlike the provincial hick over there raised by shorn monkeys from a boondock planet.

 

[{ Emilia }]

I still can't get over the fact that @Kirk Prime thinks there is any evidence for the fact that Superman would beat any female Kryptonian in a fight.
I don't claim to know which gender of an alien race is stronger, has better reflexes or which individual is better at learning martial arts skills.

In the case of Supergirl and Superman, she's obviously better at this than he is. Who knows, maybe he's better at cooking or knitting.
Research has shown that human women have a better immune system than men on average. I won't complain about misogyny if a Supergirl episode shows her as suffering from a worse flu than Superman. "They made her weak! Oh noes, she's got a man-flu. Misogyny!"

 

[Tuskin38]

To play devil's advocate, Supes was blinded by rage. That could have effected his judgement during the fight.

But does it really matter how she won? She won. Beating superman in any way is quite the accomplishment.

 

[Skipper]

And let's not forget Kriptonian powers in Supergirl are depicted differently from previous portrayals. For example, here Kryptonians can't fly in space. Or using too much heat vision can completely drain their power.

 

[Kirk Prime]

It's interesting how people have a deep knowledge of relative strength level between two sexes of a fictional alien species. As far we know, female Kryptonians just process solar energy better than the males. Or Kara, after spending more time on Krypton, has better developed her muscles in greater gravity.

Or we just use our eyes, common sense, and 80 years of Superman history and not try to jump through hoops to make a weak writing decision look any different. Kind of like jumping through hoops to cry sexism when none exists.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Clark has been a Superhero for nearly 20 years.

Kara may be stronger and faster, that's just random biology, but he should be a better fighter than she is, because he's had far more experience than she has... Unless he hasn't?

What if this version of Superman is more like the 1940s radio show Superman and has fought like 4 fighty guys in his entire career, and the rest of the time it was out thinking evil genii or rescuing cats from trees?

Every week Kara gets an ass kicking, and keeps coming back for more until she wins out. Her life is Thunderdome, so any one that tries to pick a fight with Supergirl is a ####ing idiot.

Clark is probably getting by with #### Jonathan taught him in the back 40... I want to say "boxing" but honestly, considering that it's 2017 now, I can feel that young Jonathan Kent Was a Hulkamaniac and eventually taught his son every thing he learnt from (fake) WWE Wrestling, to take on Doomsday, and that's why Superman died.

 

[kirk55555]

I just finished the finale. Well, its better then season 1s, from what I know. When it comes to superman vs Supergirl, I can see how she won. She probably did have more special combat training, plus while they don't mention it I doubt the silver kryptonite could effect Superman's perceptions without also weakening him in other ways (things like slowed reactions, Zod looking taller then Kara messing Superman up, etc). Honestly, for me its not even a strength thing that would generally make me choose superman as a winner against Supergirl (a lot of superheroes can beat people more physically powerful then them), its his extra years of experience with the powers and as an active hero. But, taking Kara's fighting training and combining that with probably side effects of the silver kryptonite on Superman's physical reactions, it makes sense that supergirl would beat him. That's my opinion, at least.

As for the rest of it, not great but not terrible. I liked the White Martians coming to help. I hated seeing Cadmus again. I'm really, really happy to see Mon-El's Mom gone, I think she's a worse villain then Max Lord, who was terrible (although she's still not as bad as Mama Luthor). Overall, I'm mildly interested in season 3. I like the main cast, so if they can get better villains and tighten the writing up it could be very good.

 

[Tuskin38]

To me - what was MORE disturbing was the line they gave to Superman saying basically (and I'm paraphrasing): "If it came down to the fate of the Earth or the life of Lois Lane; I'd probably choose Lois..."

What? I could totally see Comic superman saying that. Or at least one version of him, there have been so many earths hard to tell what he'd do these days

 

[{ Emilia }]

Kind of like jumping through hoops to cry sexism when none exists.

Yeah, how about you stop doing that.

 

[DigificWriter]

It'd be funny to watch so many posters twist themselves into a pretzel mentally in order to find something to be offended by in the confrontation between Kara and Kal and its resolution... if it weren't so sad and pathetic, that is.

 

[Kirk Prime]

To play devil's advocate, Supes was blinded by rage. That could have effected his judgement during the fight.

But does it really matter how she won? She won. Beating superman in any way is quite the accomplishment.

Which would have been fine, if they sold it that way. But instead, the writers went out of their way to have Clark repeatedly run around saying that she beat him at full strength.

Clark has been a Superhero for nearly 20 years.

Kara may be stronger and faster, that's just random biology, but he should be a better fighter than she is, because he's had far more practice than she has... Unless he hasn't?

He has. We already have seen that this version of Superman has fought Zod and on Warworld.

I still can't get over the fact that @Kirk Prime thinks there is any evidence for the fact that Superman would beat any female Kryptonian in a fight.
I don't claim to know which gender of an alien race is stronger, has better reflexes or which individual is better at learning martial arts skills.

In the case of Supergirl and Superman, she's obviously better at this than he is. Who knows, maybe he's better at cooking or knitting.
Research has shown that human women have a better immune system than men on average. I won't complain about misogyny if a Supergirl episode shows her as suffering from a worse flu than Superman. "They made her weak! Oh noes, she's got a man-flu. Misogyny!"

Well, I can't get over how the first reaction is to attack people who post because they don't blindly accept a ridiculous situation that was out of character, and the first instinct is to cry sexism. For what it's worth, my reaction would be identical if this were Mon-El. And it was a similar reaction to Batman beating him in the movie. That doesn't make me anti-human. They had to dumb down Superman there to make Batman look strong. It's a writing technique that is old and tiresome. And again, if this were some gender issue, why don't I have a problem with Kara beating other male adversaries?

If women have a better immune system, and Superman and Supergirl have a virus, and Supergirl heals faster, then you would have a point. That however, was not the plot of this episode.

 

[{ Emilia }]

Well, I can't get over how the first reaction is to attack people who post...

I'm not attacking you personally. I'm attacking your sexist posts.

If women have a better immune system, and Superman and Supergirl have a virus, and Supergirl heals faster, then you would have a point. That however, was not the plot of this episode.

My point was that I wouldn't cry "SEXISM! MISOGYNY" if the show portrays Supergirl as having a weaker immune system than a male Kryptonian.

Whereas you cry "SEXISM! MISANDRY!" because the show portrays a female Kryptonian to be a better fighter than a male one.

 

[Mudd]

Kryptonian strength on Earth isn't based on their musculature anyway. The notion that any proportional advantage Clark might have based on mass would be increased exponentially because of Solar radiation is an arguable assumption at best; if his basic biology would give him, say, a three hundred pound advantage over Kara in the bench press then maybe that's exactly what he has: a three hundred pound advantage - and at their super-strength levels that's hardly decisive. It's just as likely that everyone's super-strength is at rough parity.

In any event "who would beat whom in a fight" is among the most time-honored of childhood arguments between fans of superhero comics. Stan Lee arguably built a good part of the Marvel empire in the 1960s on that single insight. If the answers to these match-ups were obvious and inarguable the whole genre would be impoverished, but there's no reason that the debates need to be personal and heated - at least among participants older than eight.

 

[DigificWriter]

Kirk Prime keeps on screaming about hypocrisy, but where was the hue and cry when Kaa defeated her maternal uncle Non in Season 1?

That's where the hypocrisy lies, and is what exposes this whining about Kara beating Kal for the sexist BS that it is.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Kryptonian strength on Earth isn't based on their musculature anyway. The notion that any proportional advantage Clark might have based on mass would be increased exponentially because of Solar radiation is an arguable assumption. It's just as likely that everyone's super-strength is at rough parity.

Yep.

 

[{ Emilia }]

If the answers to these match-ups were obvious and inarguable the whole genre would be impoverished, but there's no reason that the debates need to be personal and heated - at least among participants older than eight.

This.
It's hilarious how angry some people get over this. It's two Kryptonians fighting each other. What the fuck do we know who was "supposed to" win.

 

[Mudd]

If the TV shows followed comics tradition, in fact, next time around Clark might beat Kara - just to keep the issue unsettled and the debates going. The Hulk and The Thing used to swap the heavyweight title back and forth pretty regularly, IIRC.

 

[{ Emilia }]

If the TV shows followed comics tradition, in fact, next time around Clark might beat Kara - just to keep the issue unsettled and the debates going. The Hulk and The Thing used to swap the heavyweight title back and forth pretty regularly, IIRC.

This wouldn't surprise me. It's not like the better fighter wins 100% of the time. Sports competitions would be pretty boring if the same person always won because they're 100% the best every day.