Yes I know what a cliffhanger is. I was thinking you all who are more experts on the comics than I was would have more insights.
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Yes I know what a cliffhanger is. I was thinking you all who are more experts on the comics than I was would have more insights.
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So, Cat's crush on Clark is completely related to the fact that she knows he's Superman, I would assume?
Why did Mon El have to leave so quickly once his breathing went back to normal in the pod? No one could get him a breathing suit, air tank, ventilated room at the DEO, anything?
Why did Mon El have to leave so quickly once his breathing went back to normal in the pod? No one could get him a breathing suit, air tank, ventilated room at the DEO, anything?
Yeah, you continue pointing that out, but there is no guarantee about how Mon-El will be used. It may be just a wrap up of whatever story was created for him.
Agreed--but the showrunners have repeatedly proven that they believe the only way to make her appear strong is to make all men seem weak. Notice how this does not happen in Dawn of Justice, where Superman and Batman did not need to be made to appear weak in order for Wonder Woman to be as strong (psychologically as well as physically). The characters were allowed to live up to their well-known abilities and one did not erase or hurt the image (of strength and authority) of the other.
As noted yesterday, this is unlike any filmed version of Superman; he repeatedly tore himself down in ways standing in stark contrast to what we have always known Superman to be. His upbringing by the Kents molded him to support his otherworldy power with faith, character and purpose...not this clearly warped-for-wrong-intentions reversal of the long-standing hallmarks / character of Clark/Superman, turning him into a ethically cracked, dressed down shell. All to inflate SG.
Is it any wonder this TV series has nothing to do with the DC movies?
Yes, and Dawn of Justice was the beautifully realized example of this by not needing to tear down Wonder Woman in order to sell the characters the film was named for / focused on.
Exactly. He had no reason not to help SG the moment Rhea pulled her stunt.
You're far from the only one. It was not necessary to support this story or the Supergirl character.
The Phantom Zone is traditionally another dimension where people remain ageless (and incorporeal, in the comics -- hence the name). Presumably the "area of space" near Krypton is a natural portal to the Zone, while the Projector is an artificial portal.
Again: When Henshaw was repurposing the Projector, there was a line saying that if his modification didn't work, they would be trapped in the Phantom Zone. So no, this is not "just a teleporter." It is exactly what the Phantom Zone Projector has always been in the comics and prior screen adaptations, a device that sends people into the Phantom Zone.
And it makes sense that it would be that, because it opens the door for introducing more Phantom Zone-based villains in the future. Heck, maybe that's where Zod came from. Maybe that's where Zod could come back from in some future story.
Silver kryptonite is actually an invention of Smallville, an artificial form created by Brainiac to give Clark hallucinations and paranoid delusions. It was introduced in the comics in 2008, where it basically got Superman high. The only silver K in the comics before then was a fake prop in a Jimmy Olsen issue.
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Kryptonite
I think they said Supergirl woke up long enough to fly them both to the Fortress and then passed out again, but I'm not sure.
It's weird to me how the expectation that she'll turn evil persists in fandom no matter how many times she's proven herself good. In the comics, Lena "Thorul" was always pure and good, and Lex's only good quality was his determination to protect her from coming to harm or learning that she was related to a villain like him. (Although there have been one or two more recent stories with a villainous Lena, but that's the exception rather than the rule.) And really, just in general, it makes no sense to assume that a criminal's family members will be equally criminal. I mean, Kara's aunt Astra was a villain, and nobody thinks that means Kara will turn out evil.
Of course not. Superman's compassion is his greatest strength. And just because he doubted himself doesn't mean he really couldn't do it -- it just means he's naturally humble. I'm sure that if that situation actually happened, Lois would be the first to insist that he sacrifice her for the sake of the world -- heck, she'd do it herself and save him from having to make the choice.
Yes, it was a given that Rhea would cheat. Also, there's no way Earth's governments would've just accepted the outcome if Supergirl lost. She really didn't have the authority to make that promise.
Presumably her superstrong skin blocked the radiation.
I've been wondering where Max Lord was through all this. If not for the vagaries of actor ability, I'm sure he would've gotten involved somehow.
Well the show is called "Supergirl" so of course she's going to be the hero and she didn't beat the snot out of Superman any more than he beat it out of her. Both took a pounding and she was fortunate to get the right punch at the the right time.
Watch a boxing match between two evenly matched fighters - they'll either go on for 10 rounds or one will land a lucky punch that takes the other out.
but at the end of the day if you don't like it - turn the tv off or find one of the other shows where Superman is the hero and beats all comers. You could start with Superman: The Animates Series.
The air in DEO would still be pulled in from outside and it wouldn't be possible to completely filter the lead out so that rules out the ventilated room. Any pre-filled air tanks would be okay but any filled after the luthor device was used would also be lead contaminted.
Plus I'm not sure Mon-El would want to spend the rest of his days with in a breathing suit or carrying around a air tank.
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Also, she's physiologically about a dozen years younger than he is. Even though Kryptonians age slowly, her youth may have given her a slight edge. Her DEO combat training with Alex may also have given her an edge in fighting technique. Superman has usually worked alone, so he's probably had to learn his fighting styles on his own, so maybe Supergirl's technique is more polished. In particular, Alex's own fighting style would be tailored around the expectation that she'd have to overcome opponents larger and stronger than she is, since she's only 5'6". She would've passed those techniques on to Kara in their training.
Of course, what's great about Superman is that he doesn't have a trace of macho egotism or wounded pride about being beaten by a girl. He's far too well-adjusted and fair-minded to have that kind of petty insecurity. She beat him fair and square, and he respects her for it, and it's as simple as that.
Great finale. As I have said before, Supergirl does a great job with the "big event" episodes like season finales. Lots of epic fun moments and sweet character moments.
One nitpick: Lex's device that was modified to contaminate the atmosphere with lead was total nonsense. The volume of Earth's atmosphere is about 4 billion cubic miles. There is no way that the device which was shown to spread a cloud of lead a few city blocks could instantly contaminate Earth's entire atmosphere. And even if the cloud of lead did rise in the atmosphere and spread with air currents, it would take awhile before the entire atmosphere was contaminated. The show completely faked how long it would take for the sake of drama.
One nitpick: Lex's device that was modified to contaminate the atmosphere with lead was total nonsense. The volume of Earth's atmosphere is about 4 billion cubic miles. There is no way that the device which was shown to spread a cloud of lead a few city blocks could instantly contaminate Earth's entire atmosphere. And even if the cloud of lead did rise in the atmosphere and spread with air currents, it would take awhile before the entire atmosphere was contaminated. The show completely faked how long it would take for the sake of drama.
Regarding Superman, I don't see what it would hurt to have had made the exchange something to have been vague about whether the silver kryptonite had any affect.
"Kara should defend Earth, she bested me in battle."
"Kal, you were weakened by the silver kryptonite."
"I'm not so sure about that, regardless you are our best hope right now, Kara."
or something (I'm sure that could be written better)
but the "No, he was definitely at 100%." just seemed off to me.
I think just for dramatic purposes that you wouldn't want to definitively answer that question but what do I know?
Another oddity, Kara totally lied to Rhea about planning to stand down their weapons if she lost, no?
Plus, it's detonated from inside a room? The Daxamite ships can travel through space but not filter out the atmosphere? I just took it for what it was...
"Kara should defend Earth, she bested me in battle."
"Kal, you were weakened by the silver kryptonite."
"I'm not so sure about that, regardless you are our best hope right now, Kara."
or something (I'm sure that could be written better)
but the "No, he was definitely at 100%." just seemed off to me.
I think just for dramatic purposes that you wouldn't want to definitively answer that question but what do I know?
Another oddity, Kara totally lied to Rhea about planning to stand down their weapons if she lost, no?
Plus, it's detonated from inside a room? The Daxamite ships can travel through space but not filter out the atmosphere? I just took it for what it was...
How much of Earth beyond National City was under direct attack by those ships?
Contaminating the immediate area would be enough to drive off the leadership, and they're probably bright enough to figure out that the whole planet would eventually be uninhabitable for them.
Hey - if Lena can do this, she can fix climate change!
Contaminating the immediate area would be enough to drive off the leadership, and they're probably bright enough to figure out that the whole planet would eventually be uninhabitable for them.
Hey - if Lena can do this, she can fix climate change!
Given that it was Lillian who made that comment about the Zone, I don't think she understands or knows what the Zone actually is.
I think an easy way to fix this would have been to show the device detonate close enough to where Supergirl and Rhea were fighting. Show Rhea, Supergirl and Mon El caught in the cloud of lead. Rhea dies, Mon El is contaminated and therefore still needs to leave. A whole bunch of nearby Daxamites are also contaminated and die. Remove the dialogue about the entire atmosphere being instantly contaminated and just explain that with their leader and a bunch of their ground troops dead, and a cloud of poisonous lead spreading, that the remaining Daxamites lose the will to fight on and leave. The device could still be shown to be a powerful WMD, that is what it was, without having the absurdity of it contaminating the entire atmosphere instantly.
So, like a dirty bomb, except with lead.
Yes, exactly.
Well, yes. That is the other plot hole. Our ecosystem is already contaminated with amounts of lead and there is no reason to believe that Earth-39 would be any different in that respect. So, really, Earth-39 should already be a problem for Daxamites to live on even without detonating a lead dirty bomb.
Ulterior motives.
"Except J'onn? This is why the showrunners have successfully erased James from the picture, including the genuine, season one heart-to-heart between Kara and James when he revealed his father was killed. Lena is unsympathetic, and for Kara, she already has people to relate to about real tragedy....not the showrunners will ever return to that established fact.
Who cares about a challenge rule? Earth was at risk, which is--obviously--more important than some code, which (by the way) should not matter to Clark, since he (in other adaptations) lives more as a member of the human community than some extraterrestrial one, even with the existence of the Fortress. In fantasy, heroes often violate rules when the situation demands it; how many times did Captain Kirk go against Starfleet Command orders when it mattered most? In the Star Wars series, the Jedi broke rules (to varying degrees) when it was necessary. The point being there was no excuse for Superman to sit that out, but the showrunners needed to inflate SG at the expense of a character near-universally known to be the one to never fall back (especially for some unethical reason) from a threat to civilization. It was behind the scenes BS.
Even if she does, it has to mean something, not just give Flockhart more scenery to crew up.
Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice was named for the characters and their story, yet the film did not try to tear down Wonder Woman in order to sell the characters who were the focus of the movie. She shined in the story, so there's no excuse for this SG episode's handling of Superman.
Nothing about last night's episode "diminished" Superman.
