Spoilers Supergirl - Season 2

[Christopher]

Not sure that Supergirl had expected her die (and she seemed to the only Daxamite who succumbed to the lead). Its possible that she was weaked by the fight hence the lead being very lethal very quickly. Will concede that no other Daxamite died because they bugged out very quickly).

It's not about the intent, it's about the result. There's still a direct cause-and-effect link between Supergirl's decision to push the button and Rhea's death. If Rhea had consciously refused to leave despite Supergirl urging her, then that would make her demise the result of her own choice. But that's not how it played out.

I'm struck by how many threads were left open-ended, not just Guardian. Lillian, Henshaw, and Cadmus are still in play. Jeremiah is still missing. Lena still doesn't know Kara's secret identity (which must be practically a record for identity-keeping among leads on a Berlanti show) -- although we got confirmation of what we already suspected, that Cat knows and chooses to keep mum about it. (She was really telegraphing it with that "hero's journey"/"soar over obstacles" speech.)

By the way, I realized when rewatching last week's episode -- this is the second year in a row in which Kara has spent the entire penultimate episode in Supergirl garb. Kinda refreshing, given how much more time this season she's spent in civilian clothes, especially at the DEO.

 

[DigificWriter]

Just to forestall arguments before they start, Mon-El was NOT stranded in the Phantom Zone there at the end of the episode, since A) wherever he was wasn't anywhere NEAR the Rao System (which is where the Phantom Zone is in this universe, being that it's a physical area of actual space and is where Kara's pod got marooned after Krypton exploded), and B) the thing he flew into was obviously an artificially constructed wormhole/portal thingy.

My best guess/prediction as to what happened to him is that he got taken into the future by the Legion of Superheroes, and will return for Season 3 as a full-fledged hero and with an immunity to lead (since we know Chris Wood remains a Series Regular).

 

[Christopher]

Just to forestall arguments before they start, Mon-El was NOT stranded in the Phantom Zone there at the end of the episode, since A) wherever he was wasn't anywhere NEAR the Rao System (which is where the Phantom Zone is in this universe, being that it's a physical area of actual space and is where Kara's pod got marooned after Krypton exploded)

I would've agreed with you until last week, but then they revealed that there's a Phantom Zone projector in the Fortress of Solitude on Earth, and there was a line that if their modification of it into a teleporter didn't work, Supergirl, Lillian, and Henshaw would have plenty of time to get to know each other in the Phantom Zone. That seems to indicate that the PZ is accessible from Earth, even though that retcons how it was portrayed in season 1.

But I do agree that Mon-El is not in the Phantom Zone. The effect was clearly different, as you say.

My best guess/prediction as to what happened to him is that he got taken into the future by the Legion of Superheroes, and will return for Season 3 as a full-fledged hero and with an immunity to lead (since we know Chris Wood remains a Series Regular).

Ooh, good guess.

 

[DigificWriter]

That Phantom Zone Projector is a glorified teleporter, no different than the thing that Rhea had Lena build. Why the Kryptonians decided to call it a "Phantom Zone Projector" is beyond me, but it was established way back in the Pilot that the Phantom Zone is an actual area of space located nearby to Krypton, and is where Kara's pod got marooned for 24 years, and so that "Projector" was only used to transport/teleport people from Krypton's surface to Fort Rozz, which just so happened to be docked within the Phantom Zone.

 

[Christopher]

That Phantom Zone Projector is a glorified teleporter, no different than the thing that Rhea had Lena build.

No, Henshaw said he could repurpose it to work as a teleporter. As I already reported, their dialogue made it clear that if his modification didn't work, they would be stranded in the Zone instead of teleported to the Daxamite ship.

but it was established way back in the Pilot that the Phantom Zone is an actual area of space

I already said I know this. And I also said that, yes, obviously it is a retcon from what was originally established. TV shows retcon things. It happens. Look at how The Flash and Legends retcon how time travel works every time it's plot-convenient. You really think Supergirl's writers would hesitate to retcon the Phantom Zone?

 

[Mr. Adventure]

So after all this, the world is saved by Lex Luthor?

 

[DigificWriter]

No, Henshaw said he could repurpose it to work as a teleporter. As I already reported, their dialogue made it clear that if his modification didn't work, they would be stranded in the Zone instead of teleported to the Daxamite ship.

And Kara explained that it was used to beam prisoners up to Fort Rozz in the same scene that Henshaw said he could reprogram it to beam them up to the Daxamite ship.

You really think Supergirl's writers would hesitate to retcon the Phantom Zone?

Given that we see the Zone every single week in Kara's opening narration, "Yes", I do think they'd hesitate to retcon it into something else.

 

[tomalak301]

Well, I liked it better than last week and I appreciated the "Supergirl" part of the episode took more precidence than the political side of it. I really liked M'Gann being back, and thought it was a pleasant surprise, considering that was one of my favorite storylines of the season. Cat's thing at the end was a little bit of an in your face feminism thing but I chalked that up to the whole fact that she's been that way since episode one and it's really part of her witticism.

I was very confused by the ending though. Was that dark krypton? Who did they put on the pod and what is this about raining on earth? I don't read the comic books so them ending on a cliffhanger like that went over my head. I will say depending on my mood I might continue watching the show. Like I said last week I do like these characters and we got a nice sisterly moment at the end there. Who knows, maybe the political landscape might be a little calmer by the time October rolls around. One can dream at least.

 

[Greg Cox]

Turns out that is a thing, line of dialogue implies Mon-El is slightly stronger because he has been on earth longer.

So what was that at the very end of the finale, it sounded like a baby, but the Kryptonians were referring to it as 'it'.

Doomsday perhaps?

That's my best guess.

 

[DigificWriter]

^ Those hooded figures said the word/name "Reign", which corresponds to the New 52 Supergirl villain Reign (one of the Worldkillers).

 

[Noname Given]

Gotta say - I liked this season finale much better than the first season's. Yeah, it had some predictable Tropes; but it came across as a good comic book style story.

And I'm certain the Anomaly Mon-El flew through will take him to the 31st Century and the Legion of Superheroes - where he'll become a 'Hero' - and Kara will team up with him/them for one or maybe two episodes; and at the end he'll still decide to stay (and maybe Braniac 5 will visit the 21st century long enough to become Kara's new 'sex toy' for a few eps. )...too far?

 

[DigificWriter]

^ Chris Wood remains a Series Regular for Season 3.

 

[Mudd]

^ Chris Wood remains a Series Regular for Season 3.

Yeah, he was pretty obviously not going anywhere.

 

[Kirk Prime]

This week's episode at least didn't shill for the democrats, but I still had some issues with it--namely, that they had to make Superman weak.

If you have to make Superman weak to make Supergirl strong, then the story isn't right.

Not only did they have Supergirl beat the snot out of Superman, they made it a point several times to have Superman defer to her and remind everyone that she beat him.

I judge everything by how Superman is treated, and this didn't sit well with me at all. It wasn't just that, but throughout the episode, Superman not only was made to be weaker than Kara, he also was written to show weakness of character when compared to Kara.

I get that this is Supergirl's show and she should be the center of attention, but a good story will accomplish that without making Superman look like a tool.

With so many villains, there was plenty for Clark to do without having him look so weak.

How about BOTH Clark and Kara fighting two Daxamites in hand to hand for the fate of Earth? Or having Kara be the one challenged by Rhea for the fate of the world, with an in story explanation that she wants to fight Kara because she blames her for losing her son. Superman could object, but the law is the law.

It's either Kara fights, or the war continues.

Superman could be used exactly the same--saving people when Rhea goes back on her word.

It just didn't sit well with me that Superman had to look so weak.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

I enjoyed it. The hero's road is a lonely road. She had to put others first, and sacrifice personal happiness to do the right thing. Mon-El agreed too, completing his journey to the good side.

My best guess/prediction as to what happened to him is that he got taken into the future by the Legion of Superheroes, and will return for Season 3 as a full-fledged hero and with an immunity to lead (since we know Chris Wood remains a Series Regular).

Nice idea. I'd love to see the Legion in season three. My thought was boom tube, though.

 

[Kirk Prime]

Thing about Legion is that there's the whole Brainiac 5 thing....

 

[Christopher]

I was very confused by the ending though. Was that dark krypton?

No, we saw the camera pull out from the facility from which Kal-El and Kara were launched and travel across the landscape to another launch facility not far away.

Who did they put on the pod and what is this about raining on earth? I don't read the comic books so them ending on a cliffhanger like that went over my head.

We aren't supposed to know the answer to that question yet, any more than we were supposed to know who was in the pod in last season's cliffhanger. The whole point of a cliffhanger like this is to make us wonder and question and speculate all summer long so that we'll be eager to know the answer when the next season starts.

 

[Kirk Prime]

That's the good part about these things. I can't confirm this is where they are going, but there is a character named Reign, a villain from a group called Worldkillers, that does have Kryptonian connections, that this could be. She has fought Supergirl before, so I'm guessing this is where they are going.

 

[Phoenix219]

No, Henshaw said he could repurpose it to work as a teleporter. As I already reported, their dialogue made it clear that if his modification didn't work, they would be stranded in the Zone instead of teleported to the Daxamite ship.



I already said I know this. And I also said that, yes, obviously it is a retcon from what was originally established. TV shows retcon things. It happens. Look at how The Flash and Legends retcon how time travel works every time it's plot-convenient. You really think Supergirl's writers would hesitate to retcon the Phantom Zone?

Maybe they just had to repurpose the destination, from the Phantom Zone (with or without a Fort Rozz at the receiving end), to the Daxamite ship?

 

[JanewayRulz!]

Loved the finale even though it broke our heroine's heart.

I'm not an aficionado of the Superman comics or previous Superman TV series, so I was unaware of silver kryptonite and its effect on our heroes. Did Alex have to bring them to the Fortress of Solitude to negate the effects on Kalel and supercharge Kara after the fight?

I have to admit... I cheered when Lena told her Mother that Supergirl had the remote to control the lead based device. "SEE! She IS a good guy!" I shouted when that happened. (Of course lead is poisonous to humans too... but TPTB would consider that nitpicking )

I suspect our girls will bond further next season since Lena knows the loss of a loved one, unlike just about everyone else (except J'onn) in Kara's life. Luckily she got him off planet before he succumbed and I like the idea that 31st cent intervention may end up devising a safe was for him to return. I find it shocking that Lena still hasn't seen through the Supergirl persona, but then again they have to leave some storylines for next year.

I don't see Kalel's honest reaction to what he would do if asked to choose between Lois and "the world" as a weakness. It makes me think of the argument at the end of Xena (spoilers) when Gabrielle broke her own heart by following Xena's instructions to save 40,000 souls. It was argued that given the same choice, Xena would have said "eff em" and saved Gabrielle. Not because she was weaker than Gabrielle, she like Kalel relied on her soulmate too much to live without them. Makes me think of how Worf abandoned his mission and allowed someone else to die in order to save Jadzia.

As for Superman and Supergirl tag teaming Rhea... that wasn't how the challenge goes. Supposedly the Champion of Earth against the Champion aka the Queen of Daxam fights in the challenge. Of course, who among us thought Rhea was honorable enough to fight fair?

I do wonder why Kara and Kalel didn't weaken whenever they were around Rhea, given she was part green kryptonite.

I loved M'Gann "waking up" J'onn and him teaming up with Kalel to fight the bad guys.

I really loved when she showed up with her White Martian allies.

I also wonder if the necklace is something more than a thing for remembrance.

Finally, does Cat really know who Kara is, or was that just a "compliment".