Wonder Woman (2017)
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Snyder's influence seemed to be mostly the general idea of the movie being set in WW1 and the character being disillusioned by the Great War as well as some influence on the visuals so the issues of his philosophy shouldn't be a problem.
The problem is that there really is not much diversity so far. Just Snyder's unheroic angst/brooding/etc. Suicide Squad by all accounts was going to be as depressing and dark until WB took someone else's cut of the movie over Ayer's (and thank god for that), so even though its different in tone it wasn't originally going to be much different then Snyder's films
Ii'm all for variety in DC (although I think it needs a big shot of optimism and a removal of unheroic assholishness in general). As of now its mostly been Snyder's "voice", which I'd argue is more constricting then the MCU being run by Feige. But that's why I'm hopeful for Wonder Woman breaking the trend, plus Justice League looks like they've reigned Snyder's grim 'n' gritty BS in at least a fair amount (probably because Geoff Johns has a real role now), and if we get a Whedon batgirl movie and/or a Flash movie by one of the rumored directors that will probably be even more different.
DC doesn't need to all pick one style, but it needs to get to the diverse styles pretty soon and not just keep doing Snyder. Wonder Woman seems to be the start of that, which is great.
The action scenes show some Snyder influence what with the slow motion and such, but the character scenes feel very different.
Well that's not a particularly fair assessment considering there's only been 3 movies so far, and of those, Suicide Squad is about as far removed in style/substance from MoS/BvS as possible, and as for MoS/BvS, even if you absolutely hate everything about them you can't really say that they're like any other superhero movie out there.
Well that's not a particularly fair assessment considering there's only been 3 movies so far, and of those, Suicide Squad is about as far removed in style/substance from MoS/BvS as possible, and as for MoS/BvS, even if you absolutely hate everything about them you can't really say that they're like any other superhero movie out there.
That depends. is Watchmen a superhero movie? Because the level of unheroic d-baggery is very Watchmen (and to be fair I think that story being shit is Alan Moore's fault, not Snyder's). In fact MoS and BvS are only unique as movie in that no one has done worse versions of Superman, Batman, Doomsday and Lex Luthor on the big screen before. Bbesides that there are a lot of movies about psychopaths with god complexes killing people, same with murderous vigilantes being in a bunch of films. Between stuff like Watchmen and the Punisher movies, everything in Snyder's movies has been done, just either better or at least in situations/properties more appropriate.
As for SS, like I said it was supposed to be another Snyder-ish film, just done by Ayers. He was overruled and we got a cut that wasn't terrible (as a comic adaptation it failed, but as an action movie its decent if you pretend its full of totally original characters, which it basically is). But, it still shows that it was supposed to be another movie that's even more similar in tone to the others then the MCU films.
With the MCU we get things in the style of spy thrillers, comedies, old adventure movies, etc. Plus, even the movies people say are similar really aren't, every MCU movie, even ones that share some elements, are pretty unique. they're also quality movies, even the weaker ones.
In DC, we've gotten two depressing movies about unlikeable killers, and amovie that only worked because the studio completely ignored what the Director wanted and took inspiration from Guardians of the Galaxy. I want DC to try to be unique, but there is less variety in their films then there is in the MCU, regardless of what the MCU haters like to say.
But, again, hopefully Wonder Woman will start a trend of DC actually doing unique stuff, and things like batgirl, Flash, etc ill continue that.
Yeah, I strongly disagree with everything you just said.
It's good you're open minded about Wonder Woman though...
You are such a martyr to your cause.
I really don't get the mindset of announcing maybe giving up on something before you actually do. I've given up on plenty of things, but I have never said, I plan on giving up on something or maybe I should, I'll just stop and then if it comes up in conversation, I'll say that I have due to what ever reason.
Take breakfast cereal, after starting my insulin pump, I realised how many carbs were in the cereal I like plus the amount of milk I had with it and the shear amount of insulin I needed to conter-act those carbs and get my glucose levels back to an optimal level, I stopped eating cereal and haven't had any in 18 months. Did I announce to the world that I was planning on doing that? Nope, my wife asked after about a week and I told her. Did I whine about the effect it had on my glucose levels? Nope, I just stopped eating them and swapped over to either some toast or a bagel for breakfast with my coffee.
So anyway, my point, instead of continuously whining about not liking Marvel films for what ever reason and saying that maybe you'll give up on them, just do so, stop watching them and getting upset by them, no-one is forcing you to watch them, not one single person in the whole world (and there are a lot of people in the world, many of which probably have no clue what the MCU is and just chalk up your complaints to "first-world problems") is forcing you too.
As for Wonder Woman, as this is the Wonder Woman film, I might see it in the cinema, although mrs-dimesdan doesn't want too and it's been a long time since I saw a film at the cinema on my lonesome.
There's like 20 people in this thread announcing they'll give up on the DCEU if Wonder Woman isn't good.
I agree with you, but I don't think it's fair to single out one person for this.
I saw what they wrote originally, they kinda replied (there ability to use quotes is sporadic at best) and then I replied back.
And just to make you feel better, just think I am using a general you for multiple individuals instead of just the one singular person.
I'd just like to state that this movie has probably the best poster artwork of any DC movie in decades (maybe Marvel, as well).
I'd just like to state that this movie has probably the best poster artwork of any DC movie in decades (maybe Marvel, as well).
That is indeed a great poster!
It did? Remind me.
I suppose apart from Suicide Squad the DC movies are just too "serious business" to have any fun with post-credit scenes.
Waller and Wayne had dinner and exchanged notes and kind words.
The Watchmen story is actually a very good one and has lasting artistic merit. It was never meant to be the exemplar of what super-hero stories should be (as it became later); that was never Moore's intention. Moore wrote a brilliant deconstruction of the superhero genre and its history. That people have reinterpreted its meaning and significance over the past few decades serves to discredit the story itself and its place in comics and pop culture history. Snyder is guilty of perpetuating the misinterpretations and misunderstandings of the original comic series that have dominated popular culture since. Don't blame Moore--rather look into the time in which he wrote the original Watchmen and judge it on its own merits.
Exactly Watchmen (also Twilight of the Superheroes) are all manifestos about how superheroes don't work as a concept and about deconstructing them.
Not that they "don't work as a concept," as in saying nobody should tell stories about them; just that they're an idealized fantasy, and that their existence in a more realistic world would be a lot darker and messier. Works like Watchmen and The Dark Knight Returns were meant to be an alternative way of approaching superhero stories, not a wholesale replacement for the other ways. There's no counterpoint without the point.