Kelvin Timeline all but confirmed

[Locutus of Bored]

A "moo" point, eh.

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[Mirror Mirror]

I have no issues with 'look' ( though Khan's starlet necklace is a bugbear.) styling is...a word with many definitions. Storyline wise, it is a result of space seed. A good film with a similar story could exist, but, this is not that film. Continuity was uses to enrich the narrative.

Not disagreeing, WoK was a fantastic film. But you can change the ToS look from spaceseed and its still the same events.

 

[jaime]

Not disagreeing, WoK was a fantastic film. But you can change the ToS look from spaceseed and its still the same events.

Well, I am totally confused....I have never complained about the evolving look in in Trek. XD. And never mentioned Twok not looking like space seed.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Up until 2009, an episode contradicting previous canon was bad writing. Now it's an alternate timeline.

There must have been a lot of "bad writing" in TOS. (And the other shows too)

 

[CorporalCaptain]

It's in the trailer. Since I was too young to go to the cinema, I can't really one first hand memory.

I'm referring to the title card that was actually in the film, not what was on posters or in trailers. That title card got changed after the first run. Originally, there was no "II" on it. Just as a footnote to history.

 

[jaime]

I'm referring to the title card that was actually in the film, not what was on posters or in trailers. That title card got changed after the first run. Originally, there was no "II" on it. Just as a footnote to history.

Ah I see. I don't think it's on some home video versions either.

 

[jamestyler]

A "moo" point, eh.

Yeah, it's like a cow's opinion. It just doesn't matter.

 

[Spider]

If we follow strict canon, people in the future will be using more primitive hand communicators than we already have and be dressing like a pajama party from the 60's.

 

[Nerys Myk]

If we follow strict canon, people in the future will be using more primitive hand communicators than we already have and be dressing like a pajama party from the 60's.

Captain Hefner to the bridge

 

[uniderth]

And therein lies the paradox.

But we're talking about changing the past resulting a a different timeline. Even if it was a paradox, nothing was changed, ergo no new timeline.

If we follow strict canon, people in the future will be using more primitive hand communicators than we already have

Oh. Tell me more about your hand communicator that can communicate instantaneously across the solar system.

and be dressing like a pajama party from the 60's.

Better than hipsters in skinny jeans.

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

Captain Hefner to the bridge

I would definitely pay to watch that show!

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Up until 2009, an episode contradicting previous canon was bad writing. Now it's an alternate timeline.

That's an amusing comment given the UESPA logo in your avatar. What was Kirk's early operating authority anyway? Was it the Star Service ("The Conscience of the King"), Spacefleet Command ("The Squire of Gothos"), the United Earth Space Probe Agency ("Charlie X" and "Tomorrow Is Yesterday"), Space Central ("Miri") or Star Fleet / Starfleet ("Court Martial" onwards)? You can rationalize and explain all of those away, and indeed Earth Starfleet was later retconned to be a part of UESPA, but in reality they were contradictions of previous canon.

 

[Tenacity]

Oh. Tell me more about your hand communicator that can communicate instantaneously across the solar system.

And can set to subspace and scramble.

And can be dropped without breaking (my smartphone certainly can't).

 

[Spider]

And can set to subspace and scramble.

And can be dropped without breaking (my smartphone certainly can't).

Can Capt. Kirk watch movies on his communicator? LOL. It's all in the appearance, which is what we're all so antsy about.

 

[jaime]

Can Capt. Kirk watch movies on his communicator? LOL. It's all in the appearance, which is what we're all so antsy about.

After people's battery kept running out, device divergence became popular. That's why Spock watches TV on his Tricorder, while the communicator is pretty much only for talking to people, using technology that is totally beyond 21st century science.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Oh. Tell me more about your hand communicator that can communicate instantaneously across the solar system.

Can they do that? I thought it was mostly person to person and landing party to ship.

And can set to subspace and scramble.

And can be dropped without breaking (my smartphone certainly can't).

We'd have to discover sub-space first, but yeah there'll be an app for that.
I've dropped mine a few time. It's working fine.

 

[uniderth]

And can set to subspace and scramble.

And can be dropped without breaking (my smartphone certainly can't).

Two of them can work together to create a sonic disruption, the sound beams of which can produce a sympathetic vibration and cause a landslide.

 

[Greg Cox]

I disagree. Otherwise, you are writing an anthology at best, or slapping someone else's sticker on your work to make it sell while disprespecting what that sticker is in the first place. (Or just being really unprofessional and lazy about your job.)
A franchise/series, particularly one like Trek, is what it is because of its continuity, however loosely applied at times. Trek is not the Twilight Zone.

I don't know. I like to think there's a sane middle ground between a totally "anthology" approach and demanding absolute, obsessive fidelity to every small detail of what's gone on before in the name of "continuity."

WRATH OF KHAN is a good example. Is it a direct sequel to "Space Seed"? Absolutely. Is it 100% consistent with "Space Seed" in terms of the visuals? Absolutely not.

But you know what? It works.

Not every bit of art direction is equally important, nor is every change a glaring violation of the sacred canon. And when we're talking a fifty-year-old franchise that actually consists of seven different series made by diverse hands over the course of half a century, it's always going to be balancing act when it comes to keeping things fresh and exciting while still hanging on to what made the franchise work in the first place.

Bottom line: consistency is a virtue, but it's not the only virtue that matters, or even the most important one.

 

[Spider]

After people's battery kept running out, device divergence became popular. That's why Spock watches TV on his Tricorder, while the communicator is pretty much only for talking to people, using technology that is totally beyond 21st century science.

Is there any literature or other canon sources on what TV shows Spock watched? Other than Richard Attenborough specials?

 

[Andru]

That's an amusing comment given the UESPA logo in your avatar. What was Kirk's early operating authority anyway? Was it the Star Service ("The Conscience of the King"), Spacefleet Command ("The Squire of Gothos"), the United Earth Space Probe Agency ("Charlie X" and "Tomorrow Is Yesterday"), Space Central ("Miri") or Star Fleet / Starfleet ("Court Martial" onwards)? You can rationalize and explain all of those away, and indeed Earth Starfleet was later retconned to be a part of UESPA, but in reality they were contradictions of previous canon.

I know. My point was that nowadays the go-to explanation for any discrepancy in the perceived continuity is an alternate timeline. It's become too easy to ditch the Prime timeline and give up trying to make it fit together.