STOP!!!!11@!!!It's literally a hole, that's vital to the plot.
Spoilers Rogue One: A Star Wars Story - Grading & Discussion
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That's not a plot hole. It was just stupid. Now it's no longer stupid. Problem solved. 
No. It was always fine. Now it's interesting in a different way. There was nothing that needed fixing, but it's still fine now.
Yeah, okay. It was something people used to make fun of, though: that it took next to nothing to blow that huge mother up. But you're right, of course. It was fine. I was just being facetious.
Yes, the fact that the DS was so easy to blow up has been brought up pretty consistently by a certain contingent as a "plot hole." I never said I agreed with the idea, just that it has popped up pretty consistently whenever someone feels like picking apart the OT (usually in response to someone else picking apart the PT).
The Rebels figured out the exhaust port on their own. Galen had nothing to do with it.
Now, he is partially responsible for the port being there according to the novel Catalyst, but that was a coincidence, it wasn't designed as part of his weakness. The exhaust port was put there because they had a radioactive exhaust issue with the reactor. It is in the name
The Rebels knew that the reactor was weakness so they went over the plans looking for some way to shoot it, and they found the exhaust port. General Dodanna says it right in A New Hope that they found the weakness.
That is very true. In all honesty, I thought that addressing this and making it the main plot of Rogue One was a neat idea. I'm one of those happy-go-lucky fans who mostly like what they see. It has to be pretty stupid for me not to derive some enjoyment from it, and in defense of the entire SW series, I don't think the vitriol some of the movies get is warranted.
But it's okay to make fun of silly plot elements, of course, and the Death Star thing does get mentioned a lot in this context.
I know, that was my point.
I don't think it is a terrible idea to explore but it is definitely a fanfilm sort of idea to build a movie around it, which is the point.
Sure, granted. In the end, it depends on whether this kind of thing pleases you or not - like fanservice, too.
It does seem to be the heart of Rogue One.
Rogue One was in essence a fan-film - most of the cast were new, one-off, characters, the big name characters make small cameo appearances, the story is about a tiny slice of an event, and there's lots of splashy pew-pew. But that's ok, as Star Wars has a LOT of fans.
I like being pandered to, so bring it on, Star Wars!
Just like the inclusion of Sabotage in Beyond made me a very happy fangirl.
Just like the inclusion of Sabotage in Beyond made me a very happy fangirl.
Yes, I keep forgetting about that crawl at the beginning of "A New Hope". Thanks a lot Lucas.
How inconsiderate.
I'd say the scant information given in ANH is vague enough to allow for the possibility that the "rebel spies" escaped Vader. So their deaths was never a foregone conclusion, but I'd say it was the best move from a purely dramatic standpoint.
It retroactively makes Leia's mission at the start of ANH all the more desperate when viewed in the context of her being the last person standing. And I mean that literally since it's a safe bet everyone else captured aboard that ship was summarily executed.
It retroactively makes Leia's mission at the start of ANH all the more desperate when viewed in the context of her being the last person standing. And I mean that literally since it's a safe bet everyone else captured aboard that ship was summarily executed.
The way I see it, the Rogue One team isn't implied in SW77 at all in connection with Leia being the last spy in Vader's sights. Vader only says that he's traced the Rebel spies to Leia and she is the only link in locating the secret base. That pretty much suggests that all the other spies that he's traced are dead, consistent with the Commander's immediately subsequent remark that Leia will die before talking (true). But the Rogue One team members don't exactly strike me as spies that Vader has traced, is the thing.
^He also says "Several transmissions were beamed to this ship by rebel spies. I want to know what happened to the plans they sent you!"
I'd say between that and the mention of the transmission taking place in the midst of a battle draws a very clear line between the theft and Vader being hot on Leia's heels.
As for a "team": again, the plural "spies" is repeatedly used, so it was always at the very least two people, which would indeed constitute a team. Add to that the aforementioned battle and you also have a coordinated operation.
Don't get me wrong, it's still vague enough that you can extrapolate any number of possible scenarios, but nothing they did goes against the letter or the spirit of what was already established.
I'd say between that and the mention of the transmission taking place in the midst of a battle draws a very clear line between the theft and Vader being hot on Leia's heels.
As for a "team": again, the plural "spies" is repeatedly used, so it was always at the very least two people, which would indeed constitute a team. Add to that the aforementioned battle and you also have a coordinated operation.
Don't get me wrong, it's still vague enough that you can extrapolate any number of possible scenarios, but nothing they did goes against the letter or the spirit of what was already established.
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Oh, right, true.
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