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Loose lipped Poe

The comic is now something like 25 years old, but I'll put it in spoilers anyway. This doesn't cover the whole plot, just the general idea of Luke's fall and redemption from the Dark Side

Six years after the Battle of Endor, Luke gets captured. He discovers the Emperor is alive. Luke attempts to defeat the Emperor using his skills as a Jedi. Fails. The Emperor has found a way beyond death, so nothing Luke does will defeat him. Palpatine again suggests that Luke join him to replace the long dead Vader, as is his destiny. Luke agrees because he sees no other way He cannot defeat the Emperor unless he discovers how he is surviving death. He uses this time to attempt to undermine the Empire's advances and learn the Emperor's secrets. But he falls more and more to the Dark Side...it clouds his thinking. Only Leia can manage to pull Luke towards the Light enough for Luke to challenge the Emperor a second time after learning how the Emperor is cheating death. He again loses (losing his mechanical arm again). He now is more like Vader...serving in fear of the Emperor ,while trying to find a way to overthrow him. Again Leia comes. She manages to draw Luke back to the Light after he attempts one last time to fight with the Dark Side, that fails, but with both Skywalkers fighting Palpatine in the Light....they get the Emperor really mad. So made that he calls up a Force Storm to destroy all the Rebels on the planet below. But the Skywalkers have learned something. They combine their efforts in the Light and ever so briefly distract Palpatine from his fury. Cut him off from the Dark Side for a moment. Just long enough for him to lose control of the Storm, which turns back on him. (This is not the end of the story, but that's the arc of Luke's fall and redemption. The rest of the comic and the few novels that reference the events have Luke understand both the Light Side and the Dark Side and become a generally better Jedi Master for it. He still loses some students to the Dark Side, but many of them he manages to bring back because of his personal experience in the matter.
Sounds kinda hokey. I am a fan of Veitch though. Lucas doesn't read SW novels as much as comics, since he's a visual guy. I wonder what aspect of Dark Empire drew him in, the unique art or the out-there plot.
 
We saw the same thing at the end though, in their lightsaber duel where they are so in sync they can't land a killing blow on each other.

Sounds kinda hokey. I am a fan of Veitch though. Lucas doesn't read SW novels as much as comics, since he's a visual guy. I wonder what aspect of Dark Empire drew him in, the unique art or the out-there plot.

I've condensed the idea a lot for space
 
I disagree, as Luke obviously has reckless and darker tendencies, so much so, that Yoda and Obi-Wan are concerned. Also, since it is an emotional decision, no, logic will not work.
Yoda and Obi-Wan's concern isn't really warranted. Luke never seems as fearful as Anakin (to me).
 
We saw the same thing at the end though, in their lightsaber duel where they are so in sync they can't land a killing blow on each other.
I love that scene. They know each other so well they can't get a hit in. That type of thing is why I love Lucas.
 
Luke's problem doesn't seem to be fear. It is anger and hatred. Luke skipped out on fear.
Like I said, RotJ never sells me on The Emperor's logic/plan, but that's okay because the heart of that scene isn't the Emperor.
It just takes me out a little when Luke never seems at all interested in joining Palp. It makes sense for Luke, but I always wonder at just how lazy Palp's big turn plan was.
 
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We are seeing the closeness of two people conveyed without words.
It's a scene of them flying around shooting robots. How does it mean they're friends? It's basic teamwork. Plus the scene adds nothing to the plot. You could cut it and the movie would only lose a dumb action scene.
 
It's a scene of them flying around shooting robots. How does it mean they're friends? It's basic teamwork. Plus the scene adds nothing to the plot. You could cut it and the movie would only lose a dumb action scene.
What?
How does the opening shot of them twisting in unison (before they actually fly into the battle mind you, meaning this is not just signaling teamwork) not give you a visual clue that these guys are on the same page?
You talk about show don't tell but you don't seem to understand what that is.
 
What?
How does the opening shot of them twisting in unison (before they actually fly into the battle mind you, meaning this is not just signaling teamwork) not give you a visual clue that these guys are on the same page?
You talk about show don't tell but you don't seem to understand what that is.
Okay?

I don't think that counts as friendship. Do you have friends? I do and the fact that we can't drive cars in a fancy manner together doesn't that we aren't friends. It's like looking as synchronized swimmers and thinking they most be best friends.

Hell I would have used the example of Anakin risking his life to save Obi-Wan. But he did the same thing to save some random Clonetrooper, so that doesn't really count.
 
Okay?
I don't think that counts as friendship. Do you have friends? I do and the fact that we can't drive cars in a fancy manner together doesn't that we aren't friends. It's like looking as synchronized swimmers and thinking they most be best friends.
What?
Movies are not life. Things in movies happen because the creator of the movie manufactured the scenario. Nothing happens by accident, Film is a visual medium and conveys information through visual metaphor.
Stop being intentionally obtuse, it makes you look obtuse.
 
What?
How does the opening shot of them twisting in unison (before they actually fly into the battle mind you, meaning this is not just signaling teamwork) not give you a visual clue that these guys are on the same page?
You talk about show don't tell but you don't seem to understand what that is.
That may have been the intention, but the relationship set up before that, unfortunately, doesn't convey the message. Intention is there, but the lead up is lacking. So, I can see two good pilots in unison, but it doesn't feel unique to Obi-Wan and Anakin.
 
That may have been the intention, but the relationship set up before that, unfortunately, doesn't convey the message. Intention is there, but the lead up is lacking. So, I can see two good pilots in unison, but it doesn't feel unique to Obi-Wan and Anakin.
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Execution of prior elements is irrelevant to the fact that what the intent of that shot is is very obvious. I am not talking about how good the movies were, am I am talking about the fact that it is plain as day what Lucas meant by that shot.

You may feel that it's unearned, but that is a far cry from being unable to discern the intent.
 
What?
Movies are not life. Things in movies happen because the creator of the movie manufactured the scenario. Nothing happens by accident, Film is a visual medium and conveys information through visual metaphor.
Stop being intentionally obtuse, it makes you look obtuse.
If that's the message Lucas was trying to convey, then he failed miserably.
 
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Execution of prior elements is irrelevant to the fact that what the intent of that shot is is very obvious. I am not talking about how good the movies were, am I am talking about the fact that it is plain as day what Lucas meant by that shot.

You may feel that it's unearned, but that is a far cry from being unable to discern the intent.
But, it isn't plan as day. It's just a beauty shot of two fighters. There's no emotion to it.

Stories build upon elements that came before, so that emotional weight can come with it. If it isn't there, then no amount of visual imagery will bring out that emotion.
 
Hmmm. I don't think you guys are understanding. The scene is objectively a use of show don't tell, which was my original offering to the person who said the PT doesn't use show don't tell.
In this context, execution of surrounding elements is irrelevant to the fact that Lucas OBJECTIVELY uses show don't tell.

You guys thinking it's a poorly executed instance of show don't tell is completely and utterly beside the original point.
 
I find it hilarious that you think a CG effect is a perfect example of friendship instead of a human being displaying an emotion.

Also could you please explain "show don't tell" in your own words? Because you seem to think it just means anything that happens on screen.
 
I find it hilarious that you think a CG effect is a perfect example of friendship instead of a human being displaying an emotion.

Also could you please explain "show don't tell" in your own words? Because you seem to think it just means anything that happens on screen.
My own words? I wrote this wikipedia article.
Show, don't tell is a technique often employed in various kinds of texts to enable the reader to experience the story through action, words, thoughts, senses, and feelings rather than through the author's exposition, summarization, and description.

translated to film that would mean things like the 2OO1 match cut, or my example in this thread.
 
My own words? I wrote this wikipedia article.
Show, don't tell is a technique often employed in various kinds of texts to enable the reader to experience the story through action, words, thoughts, senses, and feelings rather than through the author's exposition, summarization, and description.

translated to film that would mean things like the 2OO1 match cut, or my example in this thread.
So you don't know and copy-pasted Wikipedia? That explains everything.
 
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