Author diversity...

[Christopher]

Shouldn't diversity be a distant second to telling a good story?

Writing is a paid profession. It's perfectly valid to want any profession to be open to all applicants regardless of who they are.

And part of telling good stories, plural, is having those stories come from a variety of viewpoints. Diversity enriches storytelling, allowing a wider range of voices to be expressed authentically.

Besides, Star Trek is a franchise built around the celebration of diversity in combination, so it's only fair to expect that we should put our money where our mouth is.

 

[Shinzon4u]

As They happen because there's a structural disadvantage for people who aren't white men, even if they're just as good or better at telling a good story.

I'm no sure how much I agree with that even on a large scale, but when you zoom in on people who WANT jobs writing Star Trek, I bet the percentage of white males is much higher than a lot of other places.

 

[Shinzon4u]

I'm no sure how much I agree with that even on a large scale, but when you zoom in on people who WANT jobs writing Star Trek, I bet the percentage of white males is much higher than a lot of other places.

I have no clue why this post is in link form.

 

[BillJ]

Careful. This is the TrekBBS. Saying this stuff here will get you labeled racist, shouted at, and run off. Go down to TNZ and you'll see what I mean.

If you're a racist, then you deserve to be shouted at and run off. If you're saying racist shit, then you are likely a racist.

 

[Shinzon4u]

Writing is a paid profession. It's perfectly valid to want any profession to be open to all applicants regardless of who they are.

And part of telling good stories, plural, is having those stories come from a variety of viewpoints. Diversity enriches storytelling, allowing a wider range of voices to be expressed authentically.

Besides, Star Trek is a franchise built around the celebration of diversity in combination, so it's only fair to expect that we should put our money where our mouth is.

Just to be clear, I am not in any way talking about denying anyone anything, I just think the whole diversity/LGBTBBQ (especially the latter, and the only reason I even include the former is because they are lumped together very often) thing has become a bit of a... trendy issue lately. As in, something that is used to virtue signal.

 

[Shinzon4u]

If you're a racist, then you deserve to be shouted at and run off. If you're saying racist shit, then you are likely a racist.

I didn't say anything racist though.

 

[{ Emilia }]

It has become trendy because plenty of people are aware of structural inequalities and privilege now. Seems fair enough to be honest.

Nobody is saying white men need to stop writing Trek novels.

 

[BillJ]

It has become trendy because plenty of people are aware of structural inequalities and privilege now. Seems fair enough to be honest.

The advent of the internet has definitely put a magnifying glass on the issues of inequality and privilege. At least it has for me (though I'm still far from perfect).

 

[Shinzon4u]

It has become trendy because plenty of people are aware of structural inequalities and privilege now. Seems fair enough to be honest.

Nobody is saying white men need to stop writing Trek novels.

I didn't say they were, and I hope i'm not projecting a persecution complex. I merely think that there is an undeniable trend of people being somewhat... immature.
I think it just comes down to the fact I've only recently truly become aware of the fact that the human race just isn't as mature as I thought it was as a kid, and that things are more... clouded. Just the way that battle lines are drawn is very arbitrary.

 

[{ Emilia }]

I won't deny that some people are being a bit unconstructive about this (I don't believe college students shouting people down achieves much).

But I think it's safe to say that those who are desperately trying to defend their privilege (or deny having it) are much more immature than those who challenge structural inequalities in our society that everybody can see.

 

[Shinzon4u]

I won't deny that some people are being a bit unconstructive about this (I don't believe college students shouting people down achieves much).

But I think it's safe to say that those who are desperately trying to defend their privilege (or deny having it) are much more immature than those who challenge structural inequalities in our society that everybody can see.

That's fair. I just get very incensed at people who are so sure that they are arbiters of objective morality.

 

[Nyotarules]

Just to be clear, I am not in any way talking about denying anyone anything, I just think the whole diversity/LGBTBBQ (especially the latter, and the only reason I even include the former is because they are lumped together very often) thing has become a bit of a... trendy issue lately. As in, something that is used to virtue signal.

Must be a real shock, the idea of treating people as fellow human beings, equals despite their melanin content, hair texture, genitals and anything else. I guess you never learned to share as a kid. I think the trend that the world, entire Sol system even, revolves around Anglo saxon males has gone on long enough. Don't you?

 

[Shinzon4u]

Must be a real shock, the idea of treating people as fellow human beings, equals despite their melanin content, hair texture, genitals and anything else. I guess you never learned to share as a kid. I think the trend that the world, entire Sol system even, revolves around Anglo saxon males has gone on long enough. Don't you?

No. Please read my posts before preaching.

 

[Shinzon4u]

Must be a real shock, the idea of treating people as fellow human beings, equals despite their melanin content, hair texture, genitals and anything else. I guess you never learned to share as a kid. I think the trend that the world, entire Sol system even, revolves around Anglo saxon males has gone on long enough. Don't you?

To clarify, the "no" of my previous post is in answer to the "real shock" question.
Not the second question.

 

[MadeIndescribable]

I think it just comes down to the fact I've only recently truly become aware of the fact that the human race just isn't as mature as I thought it was as a kid, and that things are more... clouded.

That's pretty much where I'm coming from too. I grew up in a very white area and so didn't realise how privileged I was (and how unprivileged much of the wider world was) until later in life (I even had to just google what virtue signalling is); I don't blame people for being blind to their privilege, it's often just a consequence of how we are brought up.

But it is why I start threads like these, to make people more aware of that privilege and hope it helps them to see how privileged they are, and react accordingly. I say hope as like you said, not as mature as I once thought....

 

[Christopher]

Just to be clear, I am not in any way talking about denying anyone anything, I just think the whole diversity/LGBTBBQ (especially the latter, and the only reason I even include the former is because they are lumped together very often) thing has become a bit of a... trendy issue lately. As in, something that is used to virtue signal.

Bull. Diversity is the natural state of the human race. It's not "trendy" to recognize that objective fact, it's just acknowleding reality. Like I said, non-Hispanic white people make up no more than 1/6 of humanity. Within a couple of generations, we'll be a minority in the US. And that won't be a problem for us as long as we create and maintain a society that treats everyone with equal fairness regardless of who they are.

 

[Shinzon4u]

Within a couple of generations, we'll be a minority in the US. And that won't be a problem for us as long as we create and maintain a society that treats everyone with equal fairness regardless of who they are.

Well this is an aspect of what i'm getting at. The situation previous generations have left us ain't great, but people aren't mature enough to all get along equally. Totally putting aside whether it's justified or not, if other races all swapped with us in every position of power, there would be the same issues of preferential hiring etc, just in reverse. We are all equal, yes- and that includes our immaturity.

 

[Nyotarules]

No. Please read my posts before preaching.

You just stated that my right (and others) to exist and be treated as a fellow human being is trendy.....and you expect that statement to get a pass?

 

[Shinzon4u]

You just stated that my right (and others) to exist and be treated as a fellow human being is trendy

Quote the post where I said that.

 

[DimesDan]

Quote the post where I said that.

Here:

Just to be clear, I am not in any way talking about denying anyone anything, I just think the whole diversity/LGBTBBQ (especially the latter, and the only reason I even include the former is because they are lumped together very often) thing has become a bit of a... trendy issue lately. As in, something that is used to virtue signal.