Spoilers Supergirl - Season 2

[BillJ]

And the above is the same bastardization of conservative values that these writers got wrong. I wish I could go into it more, but that would derail this thread into something off topic, and I respect the thread enough not to go there.

Needless to say, that's just not conservativeism--just what the left wants you to think it is.

Taking away health care has been on the Republican agenda since the Affordable Care Act passed. So have tax cuts for the rich. Did you miss Trump talking about building a wall non-stop during the election?

I'd say you're pretty disconnected from reality if you believe a word you typed above.

Seriously? What positive about Conservatives should TV shows be showing that they're not? You tossed out the complaint. Seems only fair for you to follow through.

 

[{ Emilia }]

So again, not really appropriate on a superhero show to complain about Trump.

I don't see any reason for it to be inappropriate. Pop culture comments on the real world all the time. The writers are free to let their show do that if they want to and it's perfectly fine for a show to lean liberal or conservative.

Conservative characters are often portrayed as caricatures, mocked, and are almost always evil.

Well, like I said a show can faithfully portray current politics.

 

[Jayson1]

I agree that it is wrong to misrepresent the other side. But I am not quite clear on how Supergirl misrepresented conservatives last night. You can see Cat's speech here:

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It is clearly a dig at Trump, not conservatives. In fact, considering that the speech is called "resist" which is also the rallying cry for liberals opposing Trump's agenda, the writers basically used Cat's speech about resisting an alien invasion to also give a speech about resisting Trump, especially her line about "they come with empty promises etc...". So the show is equating Trump with Rhea, implying that like her, Trump is trying to impose his agenda on us by force. It is a dig on Trump, not conservatives. Cat's speech is simply expressing what many liberals believe which is that in their mind, Trump's agenda will damage or destroy this country, like the daxamite invasion. Now, I get that Trump supporters won't like this but the writers have the right to free speech to say this if they want.

I totally agree that it was a dig at Trump and the alt right and not conservatives. I suspect though if your conservative and you feel like all of tv is after you then the actual details become less important and you see anything as a attack that even comes close to being pro-liberal.

Jason

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

There's nothing essentially wrong with expressing a political view, of course.The problem comes in that modern writers rarely understand the values of fairness and accuracy. it's much easier (and more fun) to make caricatures of your opponents than to intelligently interact with them, and the former approach is the one regularly taken by most of the popular media.

...and that, is essentially the "Writer's" guide to Supergirl.

When some live in their incredibly narrow-minded fringe Left world, anything including that daring to approach the center is accused of being the ideological product of Himmler. It is that extreme, but again, that comes from the sea of underdeveloped minds usually found among the fringe left behind a majority of entertainment productions. Still, a day later, and the biggest takeaway from this episode was the childish & offensive comments from Cat and a few other items. The story does not matter, as its is certainly not an exercise in clever social commentary.

 

[BillJ]

When some live in their incredibly narrow-minded fringe Left world, anything including that daring to approach the center is accused of being the ideological product of Himmler.

Bullshit. You guys want to quit being portrayed like caricatures, quit acting like caricatures. Starting with the buffoon-in-chief. Maybe people would be kinder to you if you were actually kind to people to begin with. Instead of continuing to marginalize the poor and minorities.

You guys made your bed...

 

[dahj]

On a non-political note, it was pretty friggin great to have four 50+ women on a superhero show, all of them leaders, and being either just awesome or awesomely evil, in a single episode.

 

[Tuskin38]

I would love to see a quote from a writer about that one.

I was talking about you

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Bullshit. You guys

First, do not assume you know anything about me (and flaming along with it) other than what I've posted: one-sided, offensive, infantile attacks from the fringe left does not do anyone favors. However, it continues to add to the screaming division of a number of countries, with their incessant intolerance of anything and anyone not sharing the hive-mind. A perfectly self-defeating belief system bonded with textbook hypocrisy.

Starting with the buffoon-in-chief.

I'm no Trump supporter or Republican, but the constant, childish whining about him on a TV show that should be concentrating on--who knows--better stories, instead of that--and trashing an entire gender. If that is what you think this nation embraces, then you will remain shocked and bitter about the 2016 election. To objective observers, there was no surprise at all that an unqualified real estate shark / professional palm-greaser (including that of the Clintons, though their supporters forget about that longtime relationship) defeated a candidate who was every bit of divisive as Trump, only she also had an astoundingly bad public record of corruption to inform voters why they should pick anyone other than her. But the "all-knowing" / intolerant members of the fringe left would never admit that, and did anything to push her, including trip, sideline and backstab the only 2016 candidate--Sanders--with a legitimate message, platform and avoidance of divisive politics.

Talk about making your bed. The fringe left gift-wrapped the presidency and handed it to Trump with a loving smile.

 

[E-DUB]

I can understand why conservatives might get a little miffed when they see their views distorted by the other side. After all, that's their thing.

And as for Hillary's "astoundingly bad public record of corruption", you're talking about the single most investigated woman on the planet, who has been on the receiving end of a smear campaign that has been going on, literally, for decades. The fact that she's still walking free means one of three things: Either she's awfully smart, her critics are awfully stupid, or she's awfully innocent.

 

[Photoman15]

Bullshit. You guys want to quit being portrayed like caricatures, quit acting like caricatures. Starting with the buffoon-in-chief. Maybe people would be kinder to you if you were actually kind to people to begin with. Instead of continuing to marginalize the poor and minorities.

You guys made your bed...

What about the IDIOT who had the office before President Trump?

 

[{ Emilia }]

What about the IDIOT who had the office before President Trump?

Dubya?
Reagan?
Nixon?

 

[Guy Gardener]

On a non-political note, it was pretty friggin great to have four 50+ women on a superhero show, all of them leaders, and being either just awesome or awesomely evil, in a single episode.

3 of them were dummies.

The Queen: An alien invasion that targets one city, to arrange a marriage between your son and some hotty you'd rather have a go at yourself. Any one of those ships could have attacked multiple cities from orbit. Duh

The President: Flying a plane with no shields towards a fleet with particle weapons, that can target coins which are thousands of miles of miles away. Duh.

Cat Grant: Trying to negotiate with crazy, when she had no authority to represent the US, when if compromise is on the table, which is what Cat was preaching, you are 1. Offering them land and citizen ship, and amnesty, in exchange for peace, and 2. Not threatening consequences, or proving that you had the ability to enforce consequences, to a race of Slavers who were murdering civilians on US soil while Cat was speechifying. Duh.

Lillian, even though Win and Supergirl corrupted her minion, played the game as well as she could since bad guys can't win in this universe, no matter how DUMB the goodies are.

"Sigh"

Simple changes that screamed as necessary...

Mon-El marries the President, not Lena. The magic baby force matured into a hot 18 year old for the teenagers to get psyched out about is a funky looking alien just like mum.

The President replaces Queen Rhea. Why the #### else have two shape shifters in the cast if one of them isn't disposable?

Oh?

By the way Maggie, it's only full circle if you die. Are you going to die? No? Then shut up.

An entire fleet just hovering a hundred fleet off the ground of national City? Alex shouldn't have had to have been told to fire her particle cannon, and the President should have nuked National City without giving anyone a warning or a chance to surrender, or raise shields.

 

[Romulan_spy]

Any one of those ships could have attacked multiple cities from orbit. Duh

I chalk it up to lack of budget but yeah, the Daxamites should have spread out and attacked multiple cities.The US is a big country and NC is just 1 city. Losing 1 city to the Daxamites would not be a crippling loss for the US.

 

[Marc]

I chalk it up to lack of budget but yeah, the Daxamites should have spread out and attacked multiple cities.The US is a big country and NC is just 1 city. Losing 1 city to the Daxamites would not be a crippling loss for the US.

Would depend on the city though. Washington is your capital, New York is major finacial hub, You cay hit a like L.A and ig might be be too bad (it's only 3.5mil but if you fanned out into the Greater Los Angeles area that's over 18million people - that's a fairly heft chunk of the population both in terms of the number of people and the associated economic factors).

 

[Guy Gardener]

US citizens taken as slaves.

Imagine Teri Hatcher leading you around on a leash?

Does that at all seem like a satisfying existence?

The citizens of national city would welcome a blazing nuclear death.

Although...

I'm sure Reah was talking about the planet of New Daxam, not the city of New Daxam.

 

[Romulan_spy]

Would depend on the city though. Washington is your capital, New York is major finacial hub, You cay hit a like L.A and ig might be be too bad (it's only 3.5mil but if you fanned out into the Greater Los Angeles area that's over 18million people - that's a fairly heft chunk of the population both in terms of the number of people and the associated economic factors).

True. Losing DC or NYC would be worse. If National City represents Los Angeles, then I think the US could recover and still win if it lost it at first. LA is a big city, but the US would still have most of its economic, and military power.

 

[Shinzon4u]

Did someone say misrepresenting someone's politics in order to virtue signal?

 

[Guy Gardener]

(GRUNTING) It's a shame your politics are so intractable.
- You're very useful.
- My politics? I thought it was my alien genetics that were the problem.
Just take the compliment.

 

[Nerys Myk]

As for the comics getting political, that's more of a recent thing as again, the liberal writers took over from the people that made the characters loved in the first place. It turned me off of comic books.

Your knowledge of comics history must be very limited. Many of the earliest comics were created by "New Deal Democrats". In the 1960s quite a few creators wore their liberal hippy oulooks on their sleeves. And in the 80's there were no shortage of left wing and anti conservative commentary in comics ( though a lot of it was British)

Because it's a superhero show, not a commercial for the democrats.

It can be both and not be wrong. Superhero doesn't mean middle of road.

Many of the landmark cases and laws that worked on civil rights were actually opposed by Democrats and championed by Republicans. Republicans have been at the front of these kinds of changes, and Hollywood tends to forget that.

Democrat doesn't historically mean liberal nor did Republican always mean conservative.

For a group of people that pats themselves on the back for empathy and tolerance, it seems a bit odd that the answer to an easy fix is "don't watch."

"Don't watch a show you're not enjoying" seems like good advice no matter why you don't like a show. Acting, writing or political message if you don't like them, don't watch the show.

You're right--the show doesn't belong to the audience, but the writers still need the audience to watch to make money, so telling half the country that their viewership is unwelcome doesn't seem to be a good strategy. This is a superhero show, not a commercial for the democrats.

It's art as well as business. Would you be making the same complaint if the show had a more conservative bent?

 

[dahj]

the Daxamites should have spread out and attacked multiple cities

They're not stupid, they probably watched Independence Day to prepare for the invasion and noted that the multiple city approach wouldn't work because that's exactly what we're expecting.