What happened after Voyager returned home?
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From the 4 names you gave, and if I remember well, only Sudor didn't really want to integrate the crew (he couldn't stand the eyes of others). But B'Elena (though her strong temperament), Seska (who was a Cardassian spy) and Jonas (who ended to assosciate with Kalzons to go home quicklier) didn't get difficulties to quickly integrate the crew and be well considered in their positions, that's why it was so unexpected to see the both last ones to betray Janeway and Chakotay.
Those we saw in Learning Curve, used to live/work in isolation, even after 1 year.
In the Voyager writer's guide, it mentions conflict between the Maquis characters and the Starfleet characters: It's referring to the main characters.
Whenever Chakotay and Tuvok have a disagreement, it's part of that conflict. Or when Chakotay has to tell B'elanna for the umpteenth time "You're a senior officer. Act like it!" That's part of that, too. These things just dont really happen on the starship Enterprise, or deep space 9. If someone gets argumentative on TNG, they get a visit from the counsellor. If say, Kira starts flipping out on DS9, Bashir says "You are hereby off duty. You need rest. That's an order." Strangely he doesn't dare do this to Sisko, but has no problem doing it to Dax, O'Brien, or Kira.
The stuff with Seska is part of that conflict. We didn't know she was a spy in Prime Factors, or when she wants to not share her mushrooms. Jonas helping her is part of that, too. They aren't loyal. Sudor shows us a darker side to the Maquis. Learning Curve shows us that even though they all want to do well, some of them are having a hard time adjusting. Seska working with the Kazon thought she was helping keep Voyager safe. Jonas probably thought he was too(at least when he started helping Seska.) When he finally decided to help her take the ship, he was just trying to save his own skin.
A third dynamic is Neelix and Kes. Neelix has conflict with Paris.
In the later seasons we get reminders of the Maquis at appropriate times, like when they communicate with home, such as in Hunters, Extreme Risk, or Repression, or the one where Admiral so n so upsets Janeway by asking about them.
Also remember that from Season 4 onward, there are no Maquis anymore. "It's over." says Chakotay.
Whenever Chakotay and Tuvok have a disagreement, it's part of that conflict. Or when Chakotay has to tell B'elanna for the umpteenth time "You're a senior officer. Act like it!" That's part of that, too. These things just dont really happen on the starship Enterprise, or deep space 9. If someone gets argumentative on TNG, they get a visit from the counsellor. If say, Kira starts flipping out on DS9, Bashir says "You are hereby off duty. You need rest. That's an order." Strangely he doesn't dare do this to Sisko, but has no problem doing it to Dax, O'Brien, or Kira.
The stuff with Seska is part of that conflict. We didn't know she was a spy in Prime Factors, or when she wants to not share her mushrooms. Jonas helping her is part of that, too. They aren't loyal. Sudor shows us a darker side to the Maquis. Learning Curve shows us that even though they all want to do well, some of them are having a hard time adjusting. Seska working with the Kazon thought she was helping keep Voyager safe. Jonas probably thought he was too(at least when he started helping Seska.) When he finally decided to help her take the ship, he was just trying to save his own skin.
A third dynamic is Neelix and Kes. Neelix has conflict with Paris.
In the later seasons we get reminders of the Maquis at appropriate times, like when they communicate with home, such as in Hunters, Extreme Risk, or Repression, or the one where Admiral so n so upsets Janeway by asking about them.
Also remember that from Season 4 onward, there are no Maquis anymore. "It's over." says Chakotay.
Exactly
Lanna had issues ijusting in the beginning (aka breaking Carey's nose and yelling at the captain)
Exactly why is there no consoler on voyager, or why don't they create one? Clearly there was need for one in several eps, including extreme risk and mortal coil
Counsellor McGibbons died in caretaker. When Janeway was looking for suitable replacement, she couldn't find anyone qualified, then said to herself "Good riddance anyway."
[The stuff with Seska is part of that conflict. We didn't know she was a spy in Prime Factors, or when she wants to not share her mushrooms. ]
Seska is a perfect example. Yes she was a spy, and yes, we know that her character is basically evil, but we also know that even if she'd not joined the kazon, and not been a spy, that she never would have been accepted on voyager. Once they had found out that she was cardassion (and they would have found out eventually), she knew that she wouldn't be accepted. Not that that excuses her doing everything that she did, but it gives a different view point on it.
I don't remember the mushrooms part.
Seska is a perfect example. Yes she was a spy, and yes, we know that her character is basically evil, but we also know that even if she'd not joined the kazon, and not been a spy, that she never would have been accepted on voyager. Once they had found out that she was cardassion (and they would have found out eventually), she knew that she wouldn't be accepted. Not that that excuses her doing everything that she did, but it gives a different view point on it.
I don't remember the mushrooms part.
Neither me. I thought that because the mission was supposed to last only 3 weeks, neither Janeway or the Starfleet Command didn't request the presence of a counselor on Voyager...
Absolutely and it could have all Kes features and qualities.I mean, the human Kes
had a reassuring presence, knowing how to listen without judging - quality of every counselors should have - and the rare advices she gave to Tom, Harry, Janeway, the Doctor and of course, Neelix, were generally appropriate.
Several times, we have witnessed counseling sessions led by Chakotay & the Doctor and I think that it was a wrong idea.
- even if Chakotay was known to be a good listener (for expert advice, we will return!
) but his supposed neutrality was flawed because, as First Officer, he was sort of "judge and party", although his understanding was welcome, - as for the Doctor, a hologram who wanted to be human, we saw how "effective" he has been in his counseling sessions with Seven and others. Don't get me wrong, I don't say that the whole was a disaster but seriously, how did he think for a moment that he could be the right candidate for this postion?!
Everyone had a really awkward dinner with Barclay
Neither me. I thought that because the mission was supposed to last only 3 weeks, neither Janeway or the Starfleet Command didn't request the presence of a counselor on Voyager...
Absolutely and it could have all Kes features and qualities.I mean, the human Kes
had a reassuring presence, knowing how to listen without judging - quality of every counselors should have - and the rare advices she gave to Tom, Harry, Janeway, the Doctor and of course, Neelix, were generally appropriate.
Several times, we have witnessed counseling sessions led by Chakotay & the Doctor and I think that it was a wrong idea.
- even if Chakotay was known to be a good listener (for expert advice, we will return!
- as for the Doctor, a hologram who wanted to be human, we saw how "effective" he has been in his counseling sessions with Seven and others. Don't get me wrong, I don't say that the whole was a disaster but seriously, how did he think for a moment that he could be the right candidate for this postion?!
Kes would have been a good shrink,
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Lol, I can imagine how awkward that would be.
I don't think she would be at all. She has no life experience, and no education. It takes more than being nice to be a counselor.Kes would have been a good shrink,
You don't need experience or education to be a shrink, you just need to be compassionate and have a listening hear. I listen and give my friends advice all the time, and I never trained as a shrink. I just happen to have that type of personality to help people.
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