Why is it bad that people want to talk about how they feel the show is better? I get that if you love "Voyager" you might get tired of having you show compared to "DS9" but we are talking about shows that exsit as part as the same franchise so people are naturally going to compare the quality of the shows just like people compare "TOS" to "TNG" and so forth.
All Star Trek Series are popcorn escapism. There isn't one Trek show that is "more important" than another. They all have their "deep, contemplative" and their comedy episodes, etc.
Whining over and over about not liking Voyager isn't going to change it though, is it? Like for me I don't value your arguments just on their lack of merit, so although someone has an absolute right to express their displeasure and they do, it is a talk they are not going to win out on. I've never posted on the DS9 board but I might pop over there and trash the show, lol. I have been very harsh about Discovery and it hasn't even started, but it does offend people, so you have to expect that. People notice too when the same ones are beating the same drum..
I totally agree Prax. It's all rather redundant now too because the shows have done their run. I looked over the ratings Quark put in his post and read through the comments. It didn't gel with me because ratings have context to the landscape of the times and programming, but also so many viewers are worldwide. Yet I also note Next Gen, DS9, and Voyager ran for seven seasons. That does mean something. How the new kid on the block, Discovery, is going to compare will simply be hard to read let alone compare.
In away I would say all tv and movies and music are escapism entertainment. I do think that some do try a little harder and sometimes take more risks that might not go over well with viewers just because they want to raise the bar and be something that people might not be used to and might not even like. Maybe they want people to think about a issue or just do something that hasn't isn't been done on tv or a specific genre or in case of TOS that would be tv and sci-fi of that era and with DS9 it was basically the Trek franchise.
Some people don't consider themselves just as DS9 fans. Some think of themselves as Star Trek fans which means every show or movie in the franchise is going to be of intrest to them. Where else are they supose to talk about their Voyager opinions if they don't talk about them in the forum created for people to talk about the show? As for being offended I supose that is a natural human reaction but like I said we are just talking about a tv show which means that on some level it doesn't matter if anyone likes it or dislikes. We can only make it have as much meaning as we want it to. I can't speak for everyone but I do value entertainment a lot and I said in other thread once that the only things that matter in life is fun and love. Still I like to feel like I am someone who is tolerant enough that people might not like some of the things I do so I try not to let it bother me if they insult my favorite show or movie. In fact I kind of like it that people are different and we all have different ideas. When someone complains about something I like it might not always change my mind but it does offer me a new insight into the show by seeing it from another perspective.
OMG really?? Surely not, from what I read it is the best, yada yada yada. The yardstick for boredom, lol.
A few example's I would have would be how the Kazon and Vidians were droped from the show. I know the Kazon weren't popular but I liked their look and the basic idea that they are basically low level street gangs. I feel they could have been fixed. The more important problem though is that it made the Delta Quadrant feel like a big empty nothing filled with just random alien's of week. The Kazon and Vidians were partially created to give the DQ feel like a connected and living area of space much like familiar alien and starfleet do in that part of space.
I often hear people say that DS9 was just telling TNG stories until Pillar left after season 2(and somewhat s3). Could you give some examples of how the overall storytelling of Voy changed after season 2?
But on occasion, usually when I'd least expect it, Voyager would do one of those episodes where I'd just be left going, "Wow, just..... wow."
