If the real world is nothing but a simulation I fear I'm an NPC... 
Agents of Shield - Season 4
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It would explain so much!
All righty then.
Clearly you have an issue with the persistence of consciousness, so have it your own way. 
Hmmm.....If the real world is nothing but a simulation I fear I'm an NPC...
^^ see, they know my thoughts, more proof...
I watched it today at 7 Eastern (8 Atlantic here in Nova Scotia) on CTV.
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Well, that was considerably better.
I'm still not sold on the whole moral dilemma regarding the "true" nature of Fitz, but at least now know what the divergence point is: His father, which isn't surprising considering the set-up in the previous storyline. Nice to see David O'Hara popping up to play him. He's always good to play a right ol' bastard.
So happy to see Trip return at long last! The downside about knowing actors' names is that I knew Trip was going to appear because I saw B.J. Britt's name in the guest cast. Still, it's a lovely surprise and I can only hope Lance and Bobbi show up, too.
Nice to see May turning. First, Mace's choice not to kill her, the presence of kids in the quarantine building, and finally Mace's self-sacrifice all broke through her senses. Even Fitz is beginning to waver now. It's just too bad these developments are only now happening considering Mace is in fact dead in the real world.
I'm still not sold on the whole moral dilemma regarding the "true" nature of Fitz, but at least now know what the divergence point is: His father, which isn't surprising considering the set-up in the previous storyline. Nice to see David O'Hara popping up to play him. He's always good to play a right ol' bastard.
So happy to see Trip return at long last! The downside about knowing actors' names is that I knew Trip was going to appear because I saw B.J. Britt's name in the guest cast. Still, it's a lovely surprise and I can only hope Lance and Bobbi show up, too.
Nice to see May turning. First, Mace's choice not to kill her, the presence of kids in the quarantine building, and finally Mace's self-sacrifice all broke through her senses. Even Fitz is beginning to waver now. It's just too bad these developments are only now happening considering Mace is in fact dead in the real world.
What part? Trip's return, or May turning and giving Daisy her Inhuman powers back?
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All three lol
I didn't know Tripp's actor, and actually had to google the character because I forgotten what happened to him
I guess mace's regret was not being a real hero or not having powers.
I feel May changed to fast. I could see her starting to question, but to go straight turning Daisy inhuman? Seems like a bit of a stretch.
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Well, she saw that Hydra knowingly ordered the bombing of a building with children inside it, and the man she'd been told was a terrorist gave his life to save those children. That's a few steps beyond "starting to question." Especially for someone like May, who doesn't hesitate or do things by half measures.
I've never liked the old "If you die in the simulation, you die in reality" trope. It rarely has any plausible justification, and I don't recall any explanation being given for it here. Also, having Simmons be distraught at the loss of someone she knows is physically "real" kind of short-circuits the journey she was on toward accepting that the Framework occupants were just as real in their own right. I was expecting that to resolve by having her risk her life for the children, accepting them as emotionally real.
Sure, but that wasn't explained as why someone could die. Instead Mace simply died because of the aforementioned trope.
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Well, just wondering...but do REAL Virtual Reality simulations...if people are in it for more than 1/2 hour..do they actually believe they are in "reality"? Or , despite some realism, there is still the nagging knowledge that it's fake?
With the this VR...it feels soooo real, that the brain is fooled into thinking things that are not true. Death can certainly be part of it. And could there not be some kind of electronic feedback that also shuts down the brain as well. Mace didn't have the trope of having blood come out of his mouth (the cinematic universal sign of death)...just that his brain stopped working.
Could not that death have been a combo of hus own brain & the interface "overloading" his brain to stop its function?
With the this VR...it feels soooo real, that the brain is fooled into thinking things that are not true. Death can certainly be part of it. And could there not be some kind of electronic feedback that also shuts down the brain as well. Mace didn't have the trope of having blood come out of his mouth (the cinematic universal sign of death)...just that his brain stopped working.
Could not that death have been a combo of hus own brain & the interface "overloading" his brain to stop its function?
Which is a silly plot contrivance. If the mind makes it real, why don't we die or get injured when we dream about dying or getting injured? Although, in fact, the "die in VR, die in reality" trope is a modernization of an old myth that you die in reality if you die in a dream -- which I know from personal experience to be false.
I also think it's lazy for writers to assume that the only thing that can give a story stakes is a threat to the characters' lives. Stakes can be emotional. The risk of failure can be engaging even if the failure isn't fatal.
I remember seeing some show where losing in VR wouldn't kill you -- a character even scoffed at the idea, I think -- but the game was played realistically so that each player had only one life, so if they died in the game, they'd fail to achieve some plot-essential goal or discover some information they needed. I think maybe it was Caprica. Oh, there's also Dark Matter and its use of Transfer Transit clones. The clones only upload their memories to the original person if they survive and get back to the transfer booth, so while the originals are in no danger, the clones' death will prevent them from learning vital information, and thus is important to avoid.
I suppose it could work if it were specifically designed that way. I mean, in order to work you would basically put an implant at the base of the brain to hijack the nerve impulses the brain sends to the rest of the body to instead go into the computer and get translated into your virtual avatar, right? Thus keeping your body still while operating your avatar. So it would be conceivable to program some kind of biofeedback wherein if your avatar was terminated, a lethal dose of electricity was sent back up the chain into the brain. But it would have to be intentionally done, I would think, not just some random reaction to the avatar's state.
Or is my rudimentary understanding of electronics and biology completely off base?
Or is my rudimentary understanding of electronics and biology completely off base?
I almost bailed on this series back in December and let it accumulate on the DVR for a while. I got really tired of every damn plot being "we've been infiltrated!!". Even the LMD plot is just another variation on it. But now, I have to say the show has improved immensely as Agents of Hydra. They should just stay in the simulation. It's a better story.
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