CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

[muCephi]

Wrt/ a few of the Axanar insider comments in the 'big win or not' thread recently over at fff ( http://fanfilmfactor.com/2017/04/12...-for-axanar-or-game-over-part-1/#comment-7326 ), see excerpts below, one just has to comment.

They got into it with donors asking why couldn't this have been forseen.

They claim no one could have known that Axanar's behaviors would have a negative outcome, and that people who have observed the likely consequences are using "hindsight" and "wasted their time".

Well, who knew health care could be so complicated! Only E V E R Y O N E except the wilfully blind. And those seeing said so, in writing, with specific questions that you endlessly denigrated and shouted down.

And as to "Haterburg" "throwing [time wasting] hissy fits", doubtless the ACCURATE, CONTEMPORANEOUS analyses of what was wrong with Axanar's operations contributed effectively to the lawsuit arguments, and more pointedly, to the thinking of the 99% of donors who did not come back.

Call it ineffective screeching if you want. Axanar major advocates, you still lose based on the content of Alec's behavior and the ability of everyone except you to do better than hindsight in seeing what was going on.

And the fact that Axanar crashed and burned by its own and its vocal supporters' own willful blindness is ultimately what matters here.

Jonathan Lane says:
April 13, 2017 at 9:14 am


You can’t say “with the benefit of hindsight.” We never had that going in. Decisions were not based on knowing the future (and seldom are outside of time-travel plots on TV and in movies).

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Reece Watkins says:
April 13, 2017 at 7:58 am

The dogma wafting from Haterburg is old and stale. Guess keeping a lynch mob whipped into a frenzy is difficult when they can’t back up their wild accusations with any reliable evidence. Funny that they would screech about Axanar when their own year-long hissy fit hasn’t produced any results either. By their own standard, they’ve wasted more time and energy on their own failed cause–and Axanar production continues regardless of all their efforts.

 

[BillJ]

At the end of the day, I judge Peters on what he produced with $1.4 million dollars worth of fan donations. Which is one scene. He is objectively a failure when it comes to Axanar.

That is how the real world works. The proof is in the pudding (or lack thereof).

 

[feek61]

At the end of the day, I judge Peters on what he produced with $1.4 million dollars worth of fan donations. Which is one scene. He is objectively a failure when it comes to Axanar.

For comparison this (1.4 million) is over twice as much as Star Trek Continues spent on the entire run of their series (total of 11 full length episodes). AP is either grossly negligent with his management of the funds or has stolen a bunch of the money. Either way, donors lose. When will he go away and disappear? I am looking forward to that day.

 

[muCephi]

At the end of the day, I judge Peters on what he produced with $1.4 million dollars worth of fan donations. Which is one scene. He is objectively a failure when it comes to Axanar.

That is how the real world works. The proof is in the pudding (or lack thereof).

For comparison this (1.4 million) is over twice as much as Star Trek Continues spent on the entire run of their series (total of 11 full length episodes). AP is either grossly negligent with his management of the funds or has stolen a bunch of the money. Either way, donors lose. When will he go away and disappear? I am looking forward to that day.

...their willful blindness to honest accountability.

 

[ThankYouGeneR]

R. W. said:
The dogma wafting from Haterburg is old and stale. Guess keeping a lynch mob whipped into a frenzy is difficult when they can’t back up their wild accusations with any reliable evidence. Funny that they would screech about Axanar when their own year-long hissy fit hasn’t produced any results either. By their own standard, they’ve wasted more time and energy on their own failed cause–and Axanar production continues regardless of all their efforts.

To which Mr. (or Ms.) Sam Karas responded so admirably:

Sam Karas says:
April 13, 2017 at 6:01 pm

Maybe you should ask yourself, Reece… WHY does Alec Peters even have a *cough* lynch mob? Really bad wording, Reece. These are people burned by Alec before and wanting to warn folks, not a lynch mob. Why have they been around since well before Axanar? Why is Mr. Peters banned from large fan sites like TrekBBS and the RPF? Why is he such a pariah in the prop collector community? All of this WELL BEFORE Axanar? Why is the “World’s Longest Thread” (hyperbole) on Trek BBS warning people about Alec and his shenanigans? 1500 pages. Check out reddit. Clearly he’s not doing something right if THAT many people have been speaking out against him.

Thank you, Mr (or Ms.). Karas. That's the thing isn't it. It is public activism. "Wanting to warn folks" of the still ongoing demonstrable dangers. It is why I feel this public activism continues to be relevant. Continues to be important. Because even though the original production itself has now had consequences, the past history that began long before it that led to the production's consequences, is continuing forward in the same demonstrable way. Someone has to stand and say 'I dissent' to warn other folks. It is important to not let this go unchecked. Were this behavior to have ended when the suit settled, for myself, I would not still be participating. I 'thought' it was over. But since it became clearly observable the behavior was instead ratcheting up to continue repeating a decade of the same history, I continue to dissent.

My active public dissent is equally as admirable as the public advocacy for this defendant and production. I hold respect for their ongoing advocacy. I see the ongoing need for dissent -- to continue to warn folks. I do not think resistance is futile. I think it is necessary.

 

[dmac]

They claim no one could have known that Axanar's behaviors would have a negative outcome, and that people who have observed the likely consequences are using "hindsight" and "wasted their time".

Besides a couple of cases most people I've encountered in fan films generally support other fan films.
We are also busy with our own stuff but don't mistake not starting a vocal, public campaign over what was happening, with not seeing it coming.

 

[ThankYouGeneR]

At the end of the day, I judge Peters on what he produced with $1.4 million dollars worth of fan donations. Which is one scene. He is objectively a failure when it comes to Axanar.

That is how the real world works. The proof is in the pudding (or lack thereof).

Indeed.

But you are more generous than I. At the end of the day I judge him on his publicly displayed personal behavior in businesses, in my fandom, to our fandom film community, and to living human beings who do not fall in lock step line with him; both in the past and continuing in the present.

 

[Noname Given]

Oh, gee, look:
http://www.axanarproductions.com/captains-log-april-13th-2017/

Second, Axanar will be reimbursed for some of the build out we did. The details of this will be worked out, but Danny wants us to leave the lighting grid and the power upgrades as they are essential to making the facility work as a functioning commercial sound stage. And of course, while we can’t take build out such as the green screen or the office space we built, Danny sees the value of what we put into the studio and will help us all out in the long run. Any $ raised will go into Axanar, since it is, after all, donor’s money.

^^^^
See that bolded part? It means the funds publically raised from the Indegogo Crowdfund campaign will go to Axanar Productions. So much for the CBS/Paramount V, Axanar Settlement terms of not being allowed to do any further PUBLIC crowdfunding for Axanar, eh?

 

[ThankYouGeneR]

Does anyone here know anything about two new axanar facebooks that have shown up in the last two weeks?

 

[cultcross]

For comparison this (1.4 million) is over twice as much as Star Trek Continues spent on the entire run of their series (total of 11 full length episodes).

That is probably the most damning fact in this entire debacle. We can joke about sushi and patches and Axanar coffee, and obsess over minutia about studios and sets and AxaRages(tm) on Facebook.

But ultimately, that is his indictment. Handed an enormous amount of money, more than people earn in a lifetime, he couldn't make anything even long enough to have a story. He produced next to nothing for that money while others produced whole seasons for much less. When all is said and done, that is the failure of the Axanar project.



Shouldn't have said (tm). *triggered*

 

[BillJ]

Oh, gee, look:
http://www.axanarproductions.com/captains-log-april-13th-2017/


^^^^
See that bolded part? It means the funds publically raised from the Indegogo Crowdfund campaign will go to Axanar Productions. So much for the CBS/Paramount V, Axanar Settlement terms of not being allowed to do any further PUBLIC crowdfunding for Axanar, eh?

Wouldn't it cost Peters money to rip out the power upgrades and return the warehouse to its original wiring?

It makes no sense that the landlord would pay to keep something the tenant doesn't have the funds to remove.

 

[Admiral Cain]

Wouldn't it cost Peters money to rip out the power upgrades and return the warehouse to its original wiring?

It makes no sense that the landlord would pay to keep something the tenant doesn't have the funds to remove.

This is where Alec is super wriggly. He doesn't want to answer questions like "How much did the landlord give you for the improvements" he just makes these vague statements about some deal he has made with the landlord and how awesome it was, and how no he didn't get evicted - he just relieved Axanar of a financial burden. BIG WIN!

 

[cultcross]

Starving shall now be referred to as "relieving oneself of the financial burden of ingestion".
Homeless? "Rent and mortgage avoidance deal".
Lost your job? "Negotiated a new vacation package"

 

[jespah]

At the end of the day, I judge Peters on what he produced with $1.4 million dollars worth of fan donations. Which is one scene. He is objectively a failure when it comes to Axanar.

That is how the real world works. The proof is in the pudding (or lack thereof).

This. Or if you prefer it in Spanish, esta.

Big bucks. One scene, no finished film, no studio.

You know what I can do with a million four?

My house is already paid for (as is my parents') so I will relieve my brother (he and his family live near DC) and my sister-in-law (she and her family are in Siena, Italy) of the rest of their mortgages. With the leftover funds we will all go on a family vacation to Hawaii for a few weeks. We will also buy a lot of sunscreen because my brother, my older nephew, and I all burn like toast when it's more than mostly cloudy out. We will enjoy adult beverages (except for the younger nephew, who's almost 13; he'll have soda) and sushi or whatever we so desire. Yes, there will be pie.

The remainder will go into the younger nephew's college fund and the older nephew's grad school fund (he's getting his BS in Mechanical Engineering this year). Anything beyond that will go to charities. We like to give to Sloane-Kettering or the Alzheimer's Association.

If anyone doesn't want to go to Hawaii, they'll get their share in money for whatever they like, whether it's clothes or taxes or home repairs or stocks or just a bunch of Legos.

 

[Noname Given]

Wouldn't it cost Peters money to rip out the power upgrades and return the warehouse to its original wiring?

It makes no sense that the landlord would pay to keep something the tenant doesn't have the funds to remove.

I'll bet Danny the landlord figured the electrical upgrades and redone office spaces were worth just letting Alec out of the last 7 months. I'm sure Danny will see what he can get trying to rent the space out as whatever (it probably can still be used as a warehouse). It's a better situation for Dan then trying to take Alex to court for the last $105K (7X15K). Alec has shown he has no issues declaring Bankruptcy - so I'm sure Dan was relieved to get what he got for the 2 1/2 years.

 

[muCephi]

Danny should turn it into a licensed Trek interactive tourist site. Use the green screen to let people be in whole CGI scenes, not just get a picture in the captain's chair. Maybe offer a home for that TNG set that's being restored. Buy up a couple facilities nearby and put in a restaurant and bar, if its possible with the zoning. Maybe host some travelling exhibits. Make more money than a studio. And really, really get someone's goat. I'll bet the studios might be happy to license, just to be in on the fun.

 

[GeorgeKirk]

I think my favorite part of this is Alec saying that Christian Gossett is "hated by the Axanar team" as if that's absolute proof that he's a villain. The guy lives so far up his own ass that just delivering his mail means giving him a colonoscopy.

 

[Noname Given]

I think my favorite part of this is Alec saying that Christian Gossett is "hated by the Axanar team" as if that's absolute proof that he's a villain. The guy lives so far up his own ass that just delivering his mail means giving him a colonoscopy.

Well, to be fair, I think these days the "Axanar Team" is:
Alec Peters
Robert Meyer Burnett
Diana Kingsbury
^^^
So, yeah, it's probably the truth at this point.

 

[cultcross]

Professional, well run production outfits always have an official "team hatred" list.

 

[Admiral2]

I renew my earlier call. AP is now using the word "Axanar" like it's his own personal Scientology. He needs to stop, and the only way that's gonna happen is if a bunch of creators give trek fans the battle of Axanar in ways that don't involve his lying ass.