Robert Beltran complains... forever!
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Lien had a three year contract that was not renewed. Simple as that
In regards to there being nothing rude, mean or "evil" about Lien leaving....
In an article appearing in Star Trek: Communicator issue 134, Lien recalled, "I was on for a few seasons, then they asked me to leave. They decided not to renew my contract. I didn't ask why I was not being renewed, I just said 'okay' and moved on."
Jeri Taylor admitted, "These things are never cut-and-dried. It's never one thing. I think Jennifer had a wish to move on, and that coincided with some thinking here. There has not been any rancor or unpleasantness about it"
So since there are no quotes or proof of her being mistreated there is no real reason to believe that
In an article appearing in Star Trek: Communicator issue 134, Lien recalled, "I was on for a few seasons, then they asked me to leave. They decided not to renew my contract. I didn't ask why I was not being renewed, I just said 'okay' and moved on."
Jeri Taylor admitted, "These things are never cut-and-dried. It's never one thing. I think Jennifer had a wish to move on, and that coincided with some thinking here. There has not been any rancor or unpleasantness about it"
So since there are no quotes or proof of her being mistreated there is no real reason to believe that
(Lien) I just said 'okay' and 'moved on'. Then Jeri Taylor adds Jennifer had a wish to move on. Methinks by Lien's own quote that it was after her contract was not renewed she developed this wish to move on, lol. The devil is in the detail and sometimes what is not said. "It is never one thing" and its not always rancor and unpleasantness that shows up when you are being rejected, it can be quiet acceptance.
Really again I don't know, she did return for a one-off so there is that. However, it is not nice to be rejected. You have a boyfriend and there is no way of it coming off as nice when you tell him his three years are up!
Really again I don't know, she did return for a one-off so there is that. However, it is not nice to be rejected. You have a boyfriend and there is no way of it coming off as nice when you tell him his three years are up!
Yes it's unpleasant to loose your job. But that doesn't mean your being let go was done purposely to be mean
It's nice to see some sincere empathy occurring.
I have no idea what happened here. I doubt its as simple as a TV show, though it could be a factor. I try not to imagine the possibilities of what/when/who/how as it might make me sick over situations I can't change.
A lot of young people seek fame because they think they will be loved; then find out the fans want only the next selfie to hype themselves on social media and the new friends only care about the name while it's hot.
I only hope that she'll be able to find a way to exercise her creativity in a way that she is comfortable with. It must be additionally frustrating to have such a talent and passion and feel unable to express it.
My gut instinct tells me there is a very special person there and I hope she finds some peace and happiness along with much better neighbors. She has my best thoughts always.
I have no idea what happened here. I doubt its as simple as a TV show, though it could be a factor. I try not to imagine the possibilities of what/when/who/how as it might make me sick over situations I can't change.
A lot of young people seek fame because they think they will be loved; then find out the fans want only the next selfie to hype themselves on social media and the new friends only care about the name while it's hot.
I only hope that she'll be able to find a way to exercise her creativity in a way that she is comfortable with. It must be additionally frustrating to have such a talent and passion and feel unable to express it.
My gut instinct tells me there is a very special person there and I hope she finds some peace and happiness along with much better neighbors. She has my best thoughts always.
That Robert Beltran (like Garrett Wang, besides) is a manipulator / narcissist is doubtless for me but that he keeps boasting, 15 years after the end of the show, "to have had the girl" , as he likes to repeat it, as if Ryan and her character were trophies, shows how much he is stupid!
What annoys me the most was, the difference of processing there between Jennifer Lien and the duet Beltran / Wang. Indeed, people can think of what they want of Jennifer Lien but until proven otherwise, her human & professional qualities were NEVER questioned as well by the actors that she frequented a lot on/out side the sets (it is enough to listen to K.Mulgrew, R.Picardo, E.Philips, T.Russ, with whom, she had numerous scenes, talking about their young colleague to be convinced all the good they thought of her, while for Beltran and Wang, they only have a certain lack of consideration and mockery, which didn't faint in time but they expressed them more openly) and producers (in particular, Jeri Taylor). Although she was the only one not to see her contract renewed at the end of s3, because of logistic and financial reasons (it was necessary to make room for the arrival of Jeri Ryan from s4. -> to have both - Ryan & Lien - seemed to impossible... , what didn't prevent the producers to hire some kids from s6 and to keep one of them until the end!). Despite the feelings of possible wounded self-esteem, humiliation, fear of the unemployment and loneliness (abandonment on behalf of his former colleagues), she knew how to remain noble and kept no bad feeling towards Wang & Ryan, producers & UPN. 2 years later, Lien was called back for an episode, where her character was totally screwed. Did she protest about the disastrous image which was sent by his character? NO. She did her work simply and with devotion.
Next to that, you had Robert Beltran & Garret Wang whose talent found very fast its limits (let's be honest, both were emotionless most of the time!), spent their time to behave in a not very professional way (Beltran from s4 & Wang from the beginning) and what happened for them? NOTHING serious : Beltran was put aside for awhile and Wang saw refusing to direct some episodes but their characters, especially in the last season, were far to be mistreated by the scriptswriters. And in spite of that, actors made - and still make! - it tons to show publicly their displeasure, forgetting to mention that how Voyager brought a lot to them (money, fame, the assurance to be a part of the history of the ST saga, in their lifetime as after their death, no matter the post -Voyager work they did).
SAD.
What annoys me the most was, the difference of processing there between Jennifer Lien and the duet Beltran / Wang. Indeed, people can think of what they want of Jennifer Lien but until proven otherwise, her human & professional qualities were NEVER questioned as well by the actors that she frequented a lot on/out side the sets (it is enough to listen to K.Mulgrew, R.Picardo, E.Philips, T.Russ, with whom, she had numerous scenes, talking about their young colleague to be convinced all the good they thought of her, while for Beltran and Wang, they only have a certain lack of consideration and mockery, which didn't faint in time but they expressed them more openly) and producers (in particular, Jeri Taylor). Although she was the only one not to see her contract renewed at the end of s3, because of logistic and financial reasons (it was necessary to make room for the arrival of Jeri Ryan from s4. -> to have both - Ryan & Lien - seemed to impossible... , what didn't prevent the producers to hire some kids from s6 and to keep one of them until the end!). Despite the feelings of possible wounded self-esteem, humiliation, fear of the unemployment and loneliness (abandonment on behalf of his former colleagues), she knew how to remain noble and kept no bad feeling towards Wang & Ryan, producers & UPN. 2 years later, Lien was called back for an episode, where her character was totally screwed. Did she protest about the disastrous image which was sent by his character? NO. She did her work simply and with devotion.
Next to that, you had Robert Beltran & Garret Wang whose talent found very fast its limits (let's be honest, both were emotionless most of the time!), spent their time to behave in a not very professional way (Beltran from s4 & Wang from the beginning) and what happened for them? NOTHING serious : Beltran was put aside for awhile and Wang saw refusing to direct some episodes but their characters, especially in the last season, were far to be mistreated by the scriptswriters. And in spite of that, actors made - and still make! - it tons to show publicly their displeasure, forgetting to mention that how Voyager brought a lot to them (money, fame, the assurance to be a part of the history of the ST saga, in their lifetime as after their death, no matter the post -Voyager work they did).
SAD.
OMG this is going on and on for years- RB hates Star Trek- RB complains about his colleages, his work, the producers, ...
All of you who had seen the convention videos or reports of the Voyagercrew talking about RB should know that they all have a good relationsship, for example the man of the show- and RB also.
I`ve met him twice and heard him talking about his time on set. He was`nt rude nore did he bash his colleages. He was critical about some aspects of the show, He was upset about the ending. There`s a quote by Jery Ryan. She said that RB showed her the script and said :" Is this what we are going out with?" (I`ve forgotten the exact words he said and sorry for my bad English). He also spoke about the friendly atmosphere on set (most of the time and between most of the actors). And he thanked the fans for being here and loving Star Trek.
All of you who had seen the convention videos or reports of the Voyagercrew talking about RB should know that they all have a good relationsship, for example the man of the show- and RB also.
I`ve met him twice and heard him talking about his time on set. He was`nt rude nore did he bash his colleages. He was critical about some aspects of the show, He was upset about the ending. There`s a quote by Jery Ryan. She said that RB showed her the script and said :" Is this what we are going out with?" (I`ve forgotten the exact words he said and sorry for my bad English). He also spoke about the friendly atmosphere on set (most of the time and between most of the actors). And he thanked the fans for being here and loving Star Trek.
Just to comment on the kids being added. They were not series regulars but were considered guest stars. Therefore their pay and contracts were different from the regulars.
It's one thing if Beltran had legitimate gripes with the show, his character and so on. He could have been more professional though. Not criticizing the directors/writers and so on while the show was on the air.
If he had legit grievances that went unanswered and now that it's been fifteen years sure he can express criticism problem is that he already has ruined any good faith or sympathy people might have for him by being such an pain in the A.
If he had legit grievances that went unanswered and now that it's been fifteen years sure he can express criticism problem is that he already has ruined any good faith or sympathy people might have for him by being such an pain in the A.
That what I think. If he had issues he went about making them known in a very unprofessional way.
Terrible actor such a bad attitude.
It seems to me that the problem wasn't so much that Beltran was an outspoken guy, even if his attacks against producers, scriptwriters and actors were inappropriate, it was rather that producers didn't fire him further to his lazy attitude during the shooting... or were unable to do it because of his statute of fan favorite and that UPN/CBS felt forced to keep him.
Today, producers and broadcastings do not hesitate anymore to part from their regular actors even if they are stars of their shows, especially if the latter adopt a bad/unprofessional attitude.
-> with someone like Shonda Rhimes, who doesn't bear to be criticized, Beltran and his character would have been put in background for awhile, before to be fired. No matter fans reactions!
In any case, one thing is for sure, Beltran and Braga won't never work together again, even for an appearance as a guest star, the time of an episode, like it was lately for Picardo!
To moderators :
Sorry but, I didn't know where to post the message. Feel free to locate it in another thread.
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On last May 12, 2017, TrekMovie talked to Robert Beltran about his current work on sci-fi "Circuit" produced by Manu Intiraymi (Icheb), directing and Voyager. The interview seems to be in 2 parts but only one is readable for now.
Enjoy the reading!
http://trekmovie.com/2017/05/12/int...and-working-in-the-star-trek-voyager-factory/
NB: Oh and, because I notice that Janeway/Chakotay was still a very sensitive issue, I prefer to warn that what he said about them could upset some of you. Sorry.
Sorry but, I didn't know where to post the message. Feel free to locate it in another thread.
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On last May 12, 2017, TrekMovie talked to Robert Beltran about his current work on sci-fi "Circuit" produced by Manu Intiraymi (Icheb), directing and Voyager. The interview seems to be in 2 parts but only one is readable for now.
Enjoy the reading!
http://trekmovie.com/2017/05/12/int...and-working-in-the-star-trek-voyager-factory/
NB: Oh and, because I notice that Janeway/Chakotay was still a very sensitive issue, I prefer to warn that what he said about them could upset some of you. Sorry.
Well, that seemed pretty level headed. Good on him....this time, lol.
Note that Lien's statements quoted in that previous post were statements made years after she was kicked out.
Now, if Lien "wanted to leave", then why didn't she came forward at the time of her leaving and stated something like "I'm tired of it so I'm leaving" or simply stated right there and then that she accepted that "her contract wasn't renewed" or what silly excuse those in charge came up with for kicking her out.
What I know, Lien was sad and depressed after being told that she had to leave and the fact that she didn't comment about it for years might be because she was sad and depressed a long time after being kicked out.
Note also that Jeri Taylor and her dear colleagues Berman and Braga first stated that "Jennifer had left of her own free will". Then, when many fans obviously didn't believe that pathetic lie, they came up with another lie which was the pathetic excuse that "we couldn't come up with stories for Kes".
Well, in that case those responsible for coming up with stories about the main characters weren't doing their job and should have been fired, or "Don't have their contracts renewed" or some other stupid way of sugar-coating that she was kicked out when all the others were allowed to stay.
It's also strange that those writers who all of a sudden lost the ability to write for one of the characters actually were capable of coming up with good stories about the same character basically up to the day the character and actress were dumped and in the lovely Mrs. Taylor's case even after the character was singled out as impossible to write for (Star Trek Voyager book "Pathways", written by Jeri Taylor after Kes was dumped).
When asked about it on a convention many years after being kicked out, Lien admitted "Yes, I was fired" which I think sums it up pretty well. OK, anyone who wants can always plays semantics with words like "not having the contract renewed" and the comment "mutual agreement" which is always used when there is foul play involved but the outcome is the same.
The real truth is that those in charge, or at least one of them wanted to "sex up" the show in order to attract male teenage viewers. Wang was supposed to be the victim of that characde but when a silly inside poll among the staff of a glossy magazine presended him among "The 50 most handsome", then the axe fell on Lien instead. Those in charge should have stated it right out instead of trying to cover it up with lies and excuses which a 5 year old kid wouldn't believe.
As for Beltran, I think that he's doing the right thing in criticizing those not so nice people in charge and I admire him for having the guts to do it.
Thank you, Ghislaine, for posting the link to the Robert Beltran interview part I.
Part II is also on now.
http://trekmovie.com/2017/05/15/int...ld-star-trek-discovery-and-silly-space-nazis/
I like these interviews.
Part II is also on now.
http://trekmovie.com/2017/05/15/int...ld-star-trek-discovery-and-silly-space-nazis/
I like these interviews.
Lynx, I tend to think it did play out that way. I was looking up my favorite ten episodes and in reading Future's End I found an interesting reference.
Here it is.. just from Wiki again.. "Star Trek writer and producer, Bryan Fuller, who began his career on Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, has stated that Brannon Braga, Voyager's co-executive producer, considered making Sarah Silverman a member of the crew on the basis of her acting in this episode. Braga “liked writing for Silverman and the freshness she brought to the Voyager” show plus the possibilities for a Tom Paris romance with her. In the end, Braga abandoned the idea and instead chose Jeri Ryan to join the crew in season 4 of the show". (Pascalle, TrekMovie.com)
That gives me the impression that they always wanted to bring on another female role. That replacing one female with another probably seemed logical. That the Kes character was probably vulnerable to this 'exchange' for a while before the Harry character got his reprieve.
I still think it would have worked keeping Kes and bringing on Seven. They were two different females..
Funny still in reading the notes on Future's End apparently Ed Begley Jr wasn't familiar with Kate Mulgrew but had worked with Robert Beltran twice before. Beltran was the known name to him
Here it is.. just from Wiki again.. "Star Trek writer and producer, Bryan Fuller, who began his career on Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, has stated that Brannon Braga, Voyager's co-executive producer, considered making Sarah Silverman a member of the crew on the basis of her acting in this episode. Braga “liked writing for Silverman and the freshness she brought to the Voyager” show plus the possibilities for a Tom Paris romance with her. In the end, Braga abandoned the idea and instead chose Jeri Ryan to join the crew in season 4 of the show". (Pascalle, TrekMovie.com)
That gives me the impression that they always wanted to bring on another female role. That replacing one female with another probably seemed logical. That the Kes character was probably vulnerable to this 'exchange' for a while before the Harry character got his reprieve.
I still think it would have worked keeping Kes and bringing on Seven. They were two different females..
Funny still in reading the notes on Future's End apparently Ed Begley Jr wasn't familiar with Kate Mulgrew but had worked with Robert Beltran twice before. Beltran was the known name to him
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