CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar
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It is now Saturday. Did that Thursday announcement happen? I've only heard the 'Friday' (US time) announcement by Trekzone to give another venue to defendantGarth 'to talk about all of his life and what made him the man he is today'. Which, though remaining unconfirmed or refuted by Trekzone as of this posting, hopefully is, as suggested, an April Fools Day prank by Matt (Australia time), .
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^^^
If so, then it was indeed well played by Trekzone.org.
I seem to recall Alec later saying that after meeting their landlord they were delaying their big announcement until early next week.
It'll be interesting to see if this will see him throwing in the towel on Industry Studios. Of course the timing would be odd as he'd really have to wait for the Indiegogo to end.
When he does have to fold the studio (as it seems inevitable) it'll be interesting to see just how it's presented to the donors.
Apologies all, I was distracted by the new concrete path I constructed to my shed yesterday and totally missed the alarm to pop back in and exclaim APRIL FOOLS!
I enjoyed this one, especially reading peoples response to it. Surely you would know that I would never give Lord Garth carte blanch on my show. Let him be damned.
I enjoyed this one, especially reading peoples response to it. Surely you would know that I would never give Lord Garth carte blanch on my show. Let him be damned.
He'll pitch it as a great thing for axanar since they move into a more cost effective location and it will help the donors because they don't have to pay as much fro rent so it will enable them to do so much with fan films on a more cost effective basis and get so much more done. It will be amazing for the whole fan film community and will change how films are made.
Something like that
Best April Fools Day prank I've EV-er fallen prey to!
<slowly shaking head in amazed appreciation>
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He announced that the announcement was delayed but a new announcement was coming next week so stay tunes it will be amazing.
Of course I'm still waiting on his announcement explaining valkyrie studios he promised.
It may also be pitched as a last-ditch kind of ACT NOW OR AXANAR DIES!!! CLAP YOUR HANDS IF YOU BELIEVE IN AXANAR!!!!! etc you get the idea.
That particular motivation tactic worked Really well once. The person said he would be 'taken' (die) if the faithful didn't donate $8M. He got $9M.
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"The amazing thing about Axanar is how universally loved it is by Star Trek fans."
But... that's just not true. That's not true by any stretch of the imagination.
How, why, does he say something that is such a blatant falsehood? A flagrant, glaring, and unashamed falsehood.
And more important, an unequivocally 'provable' falsehood.
Why does he do this? I just don't get it. I just don't understand.
But... that's just not true. That's not true by any stretch of the imagination.
How, why, does he say something that is such a blatant falsehood? A flagrant, glaring, and unashamed falsehood.
And more important, an unequivocally 'provable' falsehood.
Why does he do this? I just don't get it. I just don't understand.
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To be honest, for me I think it's because Alec genuinely believes his own hype. No joke, no criticism. It's kind of sad. He seems to genuinely think he knows what he's doing and how he's flocked by adoring fans.
Of course that's me giving him the benefit of the doubt. Otherwise it's just a cynical attempt at PR. "Look at how loved Axanar is! Send us your money!"
Of course that's me giving him the benefit of the doubt. Otherwise it's just a cynical attempt at PR. "Look at how loved Axanar is! Send us your money!"
And see, that's the only thought? conclusion? I can come to; that he somehow genuinely believes that Axanar is universally loved by Star Trek fans. Even though another part of his mind still has to continue discourse with and against allll the Star Trek fans he knows do not like it. That he, like you say, genuinely thinks he knows .... while he still knows on some level, he has to know, he can 'see' that what he's genuinely believing isn't...............
Oh, I don't know. This is deep cognitive dissonance at the very best. But.... if his mind is genuinely not registering that Axanar is not universally loved by Star Trek fans? That is getting into darker places. Disturbing places. Ill places, or charlatan places. But, no, a charlatan or con-man would be more careful about publicly saying things that are easily disproven because they are trying to get something over on someone(s).
A charlatan or con-man wouldn't say Axanar is universally loved by Star Trek fans except in small circles. Especially if he had so many Star Trek fans watching him right now. A con-man would be way more subtle. Smarter. Saying it loudly proudly and in public like that says something entirely different.
And it's not delusional because that's a much darker disturbance of the mind itself. It is closer to what you say, he genuinely believes.
Oh for heaven's sake... he's the believer. And belief isn't an illness. The thing is, we all do this to one extent or another. However, an entrenched deep seated belief is often known to present like one since belief IS a brain function which can, often 'will', prevent the brain from accurately processing data that doesn't support the belief.
That's how he can say Prelude was a success because he did most of the work when everyone who worked on it said the opposite was true. Because he believes it. That's how he can turn on Terry McIntosh like he did. And Christian Gossett like he did. The others who made Prelude what it was. And donors who question him. They have to go away, be pushed away, because they can't be reconciled to the belief.
He's the believer, and he has gathered believer followers. This isn't wanting, This isn't conning. This is being a 'believer'. The stronger the belief the more ineffectual facts will be. So of course he can say the amazing thing about Axanar is how universally loved it is by Star Trek fans when it's provably false and doesn't make any sense by any stretch of the imagination. Because it is processed as being true. And anything disproving the belief will be restructured into an interpretation that maintains the belief. That's how questions, critique, disagreement, are reinterpreted as hate, and the people questioning, critiquing, and disagreeing, as Haters. And 'they' are not true Star Trek fans, therefore not Star Trek fans at all. Which then makes the statement hold true to him and his believer followers; Axanar is universally loved by Star Trek fans.
This, finally, makes sense of thiswholething to me. From saying he turned down a $100,000,000 offer from Elon Musk, to the threatening phone calls, PMs, emails. And calling the attorney a liar when in court he is quoting from the defendant's own legal testimony. Everything. All of it. He believes it. This is why he can be this wonderfully charismatic person with people he doesn't perceive as a threat to his belief and go into these weird rages at people who question or critique him. And get things like that Marine thing going to scour the internet looking for people taking issue with him.
This is a horse of an entirely different color, to me I mean.
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I kid you not, I am for the very first time just now Real Time listening to something giving a perfect example to this very thing I've been describing. The person talking had been recording what he's talking about while it was happening. He said it sounded like 90% of them were booing. He later listened to the recording... which also 'recorded' it was 90% booing.
"So the big question to me is did he just reflexively lie to me or does he hear the cheers? Did he hear cheers? I'm starting to think maybe it's the latter. That's the riddle. You solve that riddle and you'll solve [the person]."
3 minutes 40 seconds clip...12:59 to 16:41
Oh, I don't know. This is deep cognitive dissonance at the very best. But.... if his mind is genuinely not registering that Axanar is not universally loved by Star Trek fans? That is getting into darker places. Disturbing places. Ill places, or charlatan places. But, no, a charlatan or con-man would be more careful about publicly saying things that are easily disproven because they are trying to get something over on someone(s).
A charlatan or con-man wouldn't say Axanar is universally loved by Star Trek fans except in small circles. Especially if he had so many Star Trek fans watching him right now. A con-man would be way more subtle. Smarter. Saying it loudly proudly and in public like that says something entirely different.
And it's not delusional because that's a much darker disturbance of the mind itself. It is closer to what you say, he genuinely believes.
Oh for heaven's sake... he's the believer. And belief isn't an illness. The thing is, we all do this to one extent or another. However, an entrenched deep seated belief is often known to present like one since belief IS a brain function which can, often 'will', prevent the brain from accurately processing data that doesn't support the belief.
That's how he can say Prelude was a success because he did most of the work when everyone who worked on it said the opposite was true. Because he believes it. That's how he can turn on Terry McIntosh like he did. And Christian Gossett like he did. The others who made Prelude what it was. And donors who question him. They have to go away, be pushed away, because they can't be reconciled to the belief.
He's the believer, and he has gathered believer followers. This isn't wanting, This isn't conning. This is being a 'believer'. The stronger the belief the more ineffectual facts will be. So of course he can say the amazing thing about Axanar is how universally loved it is by Star Trek fans when it's provably false and doesn't make any sense by any stretch of the imagination. Because it is processed as being true. And anything disproving the belief will be restructured into an interpretation that maintains the belief. That's how questions, critique, disagreement, are reinterpreted as hate, and the people questioning, critiquing, and disagreeing, as Haters. And 'they' are not true Star Trek fans, therefore not Star Trek fans at all. Which then makes the statement hold true to him and his believer followers; Axanar is universally loved by Star Trek fans.
This, finally, makes sense of thiswholething to me. From saying he turned down a $100,000,000 offer from Elon Musk, to the threatening phone calls, PMs, emails. And calling the attorney a liar when in court he is quoting from the defendant's own legal testimony. Everything. All of it. He believes it. This is why he can be this wonderfully charismatic person with people he doesn't perceive as a threat to his belief and go into these weird rages at people who question or critique him. And get things like that Marine thing going to scour the internet looking for people taking issue with him.
This is a horse of an entirely different color, to me I mean.
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I kid you not, I am for the very first time just now Real Time listening to something giving a perfect example to this very thing I've been describing. The person talking had been recording what he's talking about while it was happening. He said it sounded like 90% of them were booing. He later listened to the recording... which also 'recorded' it was 90% booing.
"So the big question to me is did he just reflexively lie to me or does he hear the cheers? Did he hear cheers? I'm starting to think maybe it's the latter. That's the riddle. You solve that riddle and you'll solve [the person]."
3 minutes 40 seconds clip...12:59 to 16:41
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Rule number 1 of a con man - Believe the con
"Sincerity. Once you can fake that, you've got it made." Anyway, I enjoyed Prelude when it came out and hoped it would lay the groundwork for a really good project. That doesn't mean that I "loved" it. Amazing how this guy continues to believe that he speaks for all Trek fans.
Today, Backerkit says the trend goes to $18,195 (the amount in the kitty right now) to a trend of $23,753 on the last day of the campaign to a max of $44,608 on the last day of the campaign.
https://www.backerkit.com/projects/industry-studios-the-first-fan-funded-movie-studio-film
If this keeps up, and if the $15k/month figure is anywhere in the neighborhood of accuracy/reality, then we are talking just under three months from April 21, AKA about June 19 or so, which is my mother in law's birthday. She'll be 83, thanks for asking.
https://www.backerkit.com/projects/industry-studios-the-first-fan-funded-movie-studio-film
If this keeps up, and if the $15k/month figure is anywhere in the neighborhood of accuracy/reality, then we are talking just under three months from April 21, AKA about June 19 or so, which is my mother in law's birthday. She'll be 83, thanks for asking.
Why would he? It's a losing situation--except for getting donors. But, it's not a good business opportunity.
I'm more curious is anyone will ever sue him over all of this. I doubt it. But, certainly, that would inject some life into all of this.
I'm more curious is anyone will ever sue him over all of this. I doubt it. But, certainly, that would inject some life into all of this.
You are overthinking this. So many of us are overthinking this. If you find yourself confused, perplexed or scratching your head over anything Alec Peters does, you are overthinking this.
He does not have to be a true believer to make believers out of others. He does not have to be delusional. He doesn't even have to be subtle. He scored a mil and change promising disaffected Star Trek fans the moon, and he keeps doing it because it keeps working, period. It doesn't matter if what he says is a blatant falsehood if his target audience keeps agreeing with him and passing the message on. It will work less and less as time moves on, but Alec Peters will keep talking shit about Axanar until doing so stops working completely.
The bigger mystery is why it keeps working, and that's more about the minds of Alec Peters' followers than it is about Alec Peters, and even then it's not that big a puzzle. Offer a dream so awesome that one would be a fool to pass it up and lots of fools will sign up. It's been that way throughout history. You latch onto something someone thinks they lack (or you convince them they lack it) and keep promising it to them until you suck them dry.
Alec Peters is not hard to understand and there is no magic trick to what he's doing.
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It keeps working because Alec Peters was able to get 'Prelude to Axanar' finished and out to the public and is VERY GOOD at selling the fantasy that Prelude was what it was SOLELY because of him -- which is utter BS; but to find that requires a bit of work.
The people that continue donate just go by what they see in Prelude; and his Industry Studios pitch video. I'll bet most of them didn't actually read anything beyond the first actual paragraph on the page or the 'Perks' list. <--- These are the SAME type of people who fall for e-mail lottery or phishing scams too.
The above said, it's working WAY less each time Alec does it. Yes, he did get approx 14,000 people to Pledge 1.4 million over 3 campaigns; but in comparison to this current campaign, it's 250+ for about $18,000.00 after 11 days. Yes, $18K is still sizable - but it's a far cry from what his previous campaigns generated. This is it for Alec Peters and crowdfunding - he's drained the Well, and will be on the hook for at least 6 months rent/utilities that he (supposedly) can't cover (which at 18K a month is $108000.00).
So, unless he managed to hold on to a lot more of the 1.4 million then he claims (which is entirely possible) - he'll still be left with a sizeable debt on his record.
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