Lol, that is what I meant to say.
Will an old school Trek episode be accepted by modern audiences?
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Since the last trek TV show, we've had BSG, Game of Thrones, and many other really well done scifi/fantasy/horror TV shows, some with much smaller budgets, so these guys are going to have to up their Star Trek game and not show us the same old trekky stuff.
To be honest, with so much modern sci-fi shows and movies so intent on trying to be realistic, Star Trek would work best if it didn't worry about realism. That would be fresh and inventive in the modern world. And since realism never has been Trek's strong suit anyway, all is good. Also, it works just fine for Star Wars.
Warp drive. Transporters. Replicators. They might never get out of hypothetical. And I've a feeling there are quite a few gaps in the hypothesis.
Please explain.
Let's add to that tractor beams, force shields both small and large, artificial gravity, inertial dampers.
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Just as long as we don't have the whiny, needy, arrogant, self serving, generation snowflake, crude because they think it's big and clever, "I got so stressed at the death of my hamster that I have an excuse to regress into a total bastard" characters that fill most tv and film plots these days.
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Nearly everything written in the 19th century onwards is full of whiny narcissitic emo's, you want to slap half the so called Victorian "romantics" sitting alone by the fire every night moping then getting all dang clingy when someone does arrive.
Modern shows aren't half as dreary and self obsessed.
Modern shows aren't half as dreary and self obsessed.
I'm a special snowflake. 
That sounds like Chris Pine's Kirk. One of those is enough.
Most definitely.
I'm a special snowflake.
I'm a special snowflake, and so's my wife.
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They announced the show has an overarching theme about the world right now, so while we may not get individual stories with a single message, the whole arc will probably have some commentary:
http://trekmovie.com/2016/07/24/exc...overy-producers-on-ships-design-shows-themes/
The Hall H panel on Star Trek’s 50th Anniversary and the press conference very much focused on the franchise’s role in pushing boundaries and promoting a better future, which is something that is clearly on Discovery showrunner Fuller’s mind. He said, “The state of this country right now terrifies me and saddens me and I feel like we need something like Star Trek to remind us that, collectively as a human race we’re going to get our shit together, and we’re going to build a better future, and we have to start working much harder on that today.”
http://trekmovie.com/2016/07/24/exc...overy-producers-on-ships-design-shows-themes/
The Hall H panel on Star Trek’s 50th Anniversary and the press conference very much focused on the franchise’s role in pushing boundaries and promoting a better future, which is something that is clearly on Discovery showrunner Fuller’s mind. He said, “The state of this country right now terrifies me and saddens me and I feel like we need something like Star Trek to remind us that, collectively as a human race we’re going to get our shit together, and we’re going to build a better future, and we have to start working much harder on that today.”
I think that's more true for TOS and less true for TNG.
I know in my case there are certain TNG episodes that I remember loving at the time they first aired back in the early 90s (or so), but when I watch those same episodes in reruns today, I find them cringingly preachy and a little banal. Not all, but some.
So it'll be about SpaceTrump.
And perhaps, SpacePutin.
And perhaps, SpacePutin.
I just wear mine, it saves time. Also, sparkly.
Putin would make a good Klingon, the sneaky bastard. Trump would be an orange bankrupt Ferengi, and probably the most irritating Ferengi ever.
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Very much one example of what I was thinking of. I, for one, am sick of characters acting in an entitled and arrogant manner because they had an abused or stressed childhood. It's such a poor, cheap excuse and so boringly overused!!!
So different from the gutsy, honest, down to earth original. God! I hate re-imagining!!!
I have to strongly disagree with your assessment that The Expanse is NOT science fiction. The TV show seems (so far) to be faithful to the book series of the same name, and those books are widely acclaimed by many in the science fiction literary community (the first book won a Hugo award for best science fiction novel).
I think the premise of The Expanse makes sense, and I enjoy the both TV series and the book series. The TV show It isn't really that complicated so far, and is a good example of what I call "Literary Science Fiction" (in the style of Asimov, Clarke, Heinlein, Bova, Niven, etc)
The Expanse (TV Show) In a nutshell so far:
There are political tensions between Earth and the independent republic of Mars (former Earth colony). Some of the tensions are due to Mars wanting to flex its independence. There is also a third group of "Belters" who are basically miners of the asteroid belts, from which Earth and Mars get many of their resources. The Belters don't feel any allegiance to either Earth or Mars (whom the Belters disparagingly call "The Inners"), and Earth and Mars have a very low regard for the actual people who make up "The Belters" (even though they need the resources). A subgroup known as the "OPA" commits acts of terrorism on the Inners on behalf of the Belters, spurned by this low regard the Inners have for Belters.
So there is the setting -- and the players -- for the conflicts that arise in our solar system that serve as the backdrop for the story....
....Enter onto this stage/backdrop the "Protomolecule". The Protomolecule is an alien entity from outside the solar system (the first evidence of non-Earth life), but is mostly unknown to anyone else in the solar system -- other than a corporation ("Protogen") who discovered it and is secretly trying to study it, mainly for self-serving profit-making reasons.
Things go wrong during Protegen's study of the Protomelocule on an asteroid base (Eros), killing all of the Belters on that asteroid, and both Earth and Mars (having no knowlegde of the Protomolecule) fear the other had some involvement in those deaths via a weapon of some sort -- or both fear rhe OPA maybe was involved. Then (through a series of events covered in the TV show and book that I'll skip over for the sake of being concise), the Protomolecule begins to show signs of sentience, and sends Eros on a collision course with Earth -- but instead of hitting Earth, the sentience is convinced to crash on Venus instead. Of course Earth (again, having no knowledge of the Protomolecule) thinks that somehow Mars was involved in potentially wiping out Earth with an asteroid, so tensions are raised even higher.
Both Earth and Mars are interested in taking a closer look at the impact site on Venus, and when they do they begin to see weird things (as a result, unbeknownst to them, of the Protomolecule and its apparent sentience)
We the audience see all of this happening (for the most part) through the eyes of the 4-person crew of the ship The Rocinante, who are an assemblage of two Earthers, a Martian, and a former Belter who feel no real loyalty to any particular government, and act independently from any government/group. The crew of the Rocinante is gaining an understanding of what this Protomolecule really is, but Earth, Mars, and the Belters/OPA do not have any knowledge of it...YET.
So there is the setting -- and the players -- for the conflicts that arise in our solar system that serve as the backdrop for the story....
....Enter onto this stage/backdrop the "Protomolecule". The Protomolecule is an alien entity from outside the solar system (the first evidence of non-Earth life), but is mostly unknown to anyone else in the solar system -- other than a corporation ("Protogen") who discovered it and is secretly trying to study it, mainly for self-serving profit-making reasons.
Things go wrong during Protegen's study of the Protomelocule on an asteroid base (Eros), killing all of the Belters on that asteroid, and both Earth and Mars (having no knowlegde of the Protomolecule) fear the other had some involvement in those deaths via a weapon of some sort -- or both fear rhe OPA maybe was involved. Then (through a series of events covered in the TV show and book that I'll skip over for the sake of being concise), the Protomolecule begins to show signs of sentience, and sends Eros on a collision course with Earth -- but instead of hitting Earth, the sentience is convinced to crash on Venus instead. Of course Earth (again, having no knowledge of the Protomolecule) thinks that somehow Mars was involved in potentially wiping out Earth with an asteroid, so tensions are raised even higher.
Both Earth and Mars are interested in taking a closer look at the impact site on Venus, and when they do they begin to see weird things (as a result, unbeknownst to them, of the Protomolecule and its apparent sentience)
We the audience see all of this happening (for the most part) through the eyes of the 4-person crew of the ship The Rocinante, who are an assemblage of two Earthers, a Martian, and a former Belter who feel no real loyalty to any particular government, and act independently from any government/group. The crew of the Rocinante is gaining an understanding of what this Protomolecule really is, but Earth, Mars, and the Belters/OPA do not have any knowledge of it...YET.
That was the first season-and-a-half of the TV show, and generally the first book (Leviathan Wakes). The rest of the 2nd TV season (and beyond) will begin to show us what's happening on Venus with the Protomolecule, plus add a few more layers to the Earth-Mars-Belter tensions/conflict. I suppose the rest of the 2nd TV season and the 3rd TV season will cover the events in the 2nd book of "The Expanse" book series titled Caliban's War.
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