Spoilers Once Upon a Time season 6

[Gryffindorian]

I really wish that Regina would emerge with her evil self. She's been acting like a shadow of herself all season long.





Why do people keep saying that Regina had brought Robin back with her? She really had no choice in the matter. It was Emma who had suggested that Robin join them. And it was Robin who made the decision to do so, despite Regina's initial misgivings.

It reminded me of an episode of VOY where there were two identical versions of the starship and the crew. The original Ensign Kim had been killed in an accident, so the original Janeway decided to take the other Ensign Kim from the duplicate ship that was destroyed. It just seemed weird, but like Janeway said, "Weird is part of the job."

 

[Gryffindorian]

Tonight's episode: WTF?! My initial thought was, "What a heartwarming story." David was acting all irrational, hellbent on finding out the truth about his late father's fate. He was a jerk to Hook. And once David uncovered King George's apparent involvement, it was Hook who stopped him from exacting revenge and killing the former monarch. Yes, what a noble man Killian has become, or so we were led to think. Why did the writers have to ruin Hook's otherwise reformed character by making him commit a horrible act in his past life? If it was Regina or Rumple who was responsible, perhaps it would have less of an impact on the Charming clan. But Hook is family ... or is about to be.

Looks like Regina needs to keep a close eye on Rogue Robin.

 

[RJDiogenes]

That was quite a revelation about Hook. It will be difficult for them to write their way out of that one.

 

[LJones41]

Regina needs to think about finding her evil self and merge with it.

I could have sworn that Hook was in Neverland until a few years before Emma's birth.

 

[JD]

The last couple episodes were pretty good.
I was surprised we left the wish world so quickly, I was expecting that to last a lot longer. Bring the wish world Robin into the real world was an interesting surprise. I was happy to see August back, I've always liked him.
The stuff with David's father was interesting. As for Hook killing him, I don't really see where that hurts the character now, that was decades ago while he was still a bad guy.

 

[Enterprise is Great]

The title for the two part season finale has been revealed

Spoiler

It's called "The Final Battle" - http://www.spoilertv.com/2017/03/once-upon-time-episode-621-622-season.html

 

[Gryffindorian]

I rather liked what Rumple did in both situations when dealing with Bae in the past and with Gideon in the present. Both sons were misguided and were on the wrong path, but Rumple chose to intervene and prevent his sons from being corrupted by dark magic in both cases. Like Belle said, if Rumple chose to do the right thing, there may still be hope for Gideon.

Regina clearly made a mistake in bringing Wish Robin to Storybrooke because he didn't seem happy with his newfound life and was determined to leave town. And now Evil Queen has escaped and has plans for him. I think the best thing for Regina to do would be to return Robin back to the Enchanted Forest rather than aid him in finding a way to leave Storybrooke. He's a selfish man whose only concern is his own welfare and getting what he wants.

 

[Kirk Prime]

One of the big problems of a 3 month gap is that you tend to forget what's going on. I completely forgot that the Evil Queen was turned into a snake.

A plot line I'm not really a fan of is Hook killing David's father. That carries coincidence to a major extreme.

It's like there's only a handful of people in the Enchanted Forest. The odds of Hook being on land and coming along at that one time is beyond miraculous.

But rolling with it, the idea of Hook telling anyone is absurd. Sometimes secrets should be kept.

The Charmings though shouldn't react too crazy. Hook was a villain before he met Emma. They know he murdered people. They know he was a terrible human being. Wouldn't it be extremely hypocritical for them to accept Hook now, but then revoke that acceptance because one of the people he murdered was connected to them? If they can accept that he killed an anonymous boy's father, why is it different? Personally, I get why they could feel that way, though morally, there is no difference. A victim is a victim no matter who that victim is.

Regina murdered a LOT of innocent people too and they are ok with that.

 

[Richard Baker]

A plot line I'm not really a fan of is Hook killing David's father. That carries coincidence to a major extreme.

I feel the same way about how everyone seems related to everyone else- my eyes have not stopped rolling since we found out that Pan was Rumple's father...

I know family is supposed to be an important theme in the show, but really. I think the only family which has caused more disruptions is the Skywalkers...

 

[LJones41]

One of the big problems of a 3 month gap is that you tend to forget what's going on. I completely forgot that the Evil Queen was turned into a snake.

A plot line I'm not really a fan of is Hook killing David's father. That carries coincidence to a major extreme.

It's like there's only a handful of people in the Enchanted Forest. The odds of Hook being on land and coming along at that one time is beyond miraculous.

But rolling with it, the idea of Hook telling anyone is absurd. Sometimes secrets should be kept.

The Charmings though shouldn't react too crazy. Hook was a villain before he met Emma. They know he murdered people. They know he was a terrible human being. Wouldn't it be extremely hypocritical for them to accept Hook now, but then revoke that acceptance because one of the people he murdered was connected to them? If they can accept that he killed an anonymous boy's father, why is it different? Personally, I get why they could feel that way, though morally, there is no difference. A victim is a victim no matter who that victim is.

Regina murdered a LOT of innocent people too and they are ok with that.

And Snow White is guilty of murder, attempted murder and kidnapping. Even David is guilty of kidnapping. So . . . yeah, it would be hypocritical of them to judge Killian now.

Regina clearly made a mistake in bringing Wish Robin to Storybrooke because he didn't seem happy with his newfound life and was determined to leave town. And now Evil Queen has escaped and has plans for him. I think the best thing for Regina to do would be to return Robin back to the Enchanted Forest rather than aid him in finding a way to leave Storybrooke. He's a selfish man whose only concern is his own welfare and getting what he wants.

It was Emma who had suggested that WishRobin join them in Storybrooke . . . and he decided to join her and Regina, regardless of the latter's wishes.

 

[Gryffindorian]

^ Regina made the bad assumption that Wish Robin could be just as good as the original Robin, her lover. She admitted that much. When he realized there was "nothing" for him in Storybrooke, he decided he wanted a life outside of town. Well, how convenient. To me, he shouldn't get to choose. Regina already did him a favor by saving him from his dismal reality. She doesn't owe him a damned thing.

 

[LJones41]

^ Regina made the bad assumption that Wish Robin could be just as good as the original Robin, her lover. She admitted that much. When he realized there was "nothing" for him in Storybrooke, he decided he wanted a life outside of town. Well, how convenient. To me, he shouldn't get to choose. Regina already did him a favor by saving him from his dismal reality. She doesn't owe him a damned thing.

It was Emma who had suggested WishRobin join them in Storybrooke and it was Robin who agreed. If he doesn't like Storybrooke, then I see no reason why he cannot return to the Wish Realm. And yeah . . . he has the right to choose like anyone else.

 

[Gryffindorian]

It was Emma who had suggested WishRobin join them in Storybrooke and it was Robin who agreed. If he doesn't like Storybrooke, then I see no reason why he cannot return to the Wish Realm. And yeah . . . he has the right to choose like anyone else.

Even if it was Pinocchio who suggested that Wish-Robin leave with Emma and Regina, the point is that Wish-Robin is having buyer's remorse, but beggars can't be choosers. To me, it seems Regina is bending over backwards to help him leave Storybrooke; she's allowing her feelings for the real Robin get in the way of good judgment.

 

[Gryffindorian]

This was a beautiful episode that dealt with self-acceptance and forgiveness. Back in the Enchanted Forest, when the Evil Queen fired the arrow to find "the person she hated the most," she thought it would lead to Snow White, only to find herself looking in the mirror. And back in the present, the faceoff between Regina and Evil Queen turned out differently. Instead of destroying her evil self, Regina chose forgiveness and instilled love into the Queen's heart while absorbing some of her dakrness. As Snow put it, she vanquished the Evil Queen, or rather gave her a chance at redemption. With Henry's help, she was able to have a "fresh start" with Wish Robin in the wish realm.

Captain Robau, or should I say, Captain Nemo gave Hook some sage advice: tell the truth to the Charmings or keep it a secret, but learn to forgive himself. In any case, he should seek forgiveness. Emma found out anyway as Hook considered burning the dream catcher and erasing his bad memories in the process. Realizing that Hook couldn't bring himself to tell the Charmings the truth, Emma returned the engagement ring. Hook planned to leave Storybrooke but had a change of heart after Snow told him about the Evil Queen. "Love can [save] even the darkest souls." Just as the former pirate was saying goodbye to Captain Nemo, Gideon showed up and submerged the Nautilus, banishing it from the town's harbor.

Next week, Jasmine and Aladdin return.

 

[LJones41]

Personally, the way the whole . . . what the hell? I hated it. I hated how the show resolved the whole OutlawQueen story arc. I hated how they resolved the different aspects of Regina's personality. I think it was all chickenshit and lazy. If Regina had re-emerged with her evil self, I could have been satisfied with that. But she wasn't. This was Horowitz and Kitsis' way of resolving her character arc and I found it lazy, badly written and a major disappointment. I'm just too disgusted beyond words.

 

[JasonJ]

Personally, the way the whole . . . what the hell? I hated it. I hated how the show resolved the whole OutlawQueen story arc. I hated how they resolved the different aspects of Regina's personality. I think it was all chickenshit and lazy. If Regina had re-emerged with her evil self, I could have been satisfied with that. But she wasn't. This was Horowitz and Kitsis' way of resolving her character arc and I found it lazy, badly written and a major disappointment. I'm just too disgusted beyond words.

Agreed, it was lazy and uninspired... HOWEVER... I was done with the Evil Queen as bad guy theme by Season 2 or 3. So I can just accept it and move on. Better villains out there now. Hell, Peter Pan was a crazy good (better?) villain. Certainly a more ominous one.

I don't think they could have re-merged EQ and Regina... the Evil Queen, despite being separated from Regina, now exists as her own entity, her own self and being. It's the Tuvix Conundrum all over again. She could have "absorbed" her, but then in doing so, you kill her.

Much as we can suspect that Regina actually murdered Queen Snow and King David in the Wish Realm. Apparently, just because it was created by a wish, does not mean it isn't real. Oops.

 

[Kirk Prime]

Just a point here. At one point in a flashback, we see the Evil Queen casually use magic to snap some guard's neck. Murdered the guy.

No big deal?

Yet while that guy is still dead and his family is suffering, Regina is living it up in Storybrooke, all redeemed.

What's the difference between that guy and David's dad other than David knew his dad?

Hook was really no different. He killed a lot of people, and their lives were no less important than David's dad, so if Snow and David have no issue with all those other murders, then how can they legitimately have an issue with Hook killing someone close to them?

 

[RJDiogenes]

The resolution of the Evil Queen storyline was definitely unexpected, and I kind of liked it. Regina gave her some light and took on the burden of some darkness (which, I suppose, would make them identical twins now). And the now-Ambivalent Queen going off to live in the land her wish created, and reliving her missed opportunity with Robin, was pretty satisfying. I'm very surprised that they didn't recombine them, and I'm also very surprised that Robin didn't either turn out to be the same as old Robin or completely evil-- although some questions do remain.

Also good was Emma's reaction to Hook's deep dark secret. Other people have been forgiven, so why not him. That's always the theme: Redemption, forgiveness, love triumphs over hate. That's the cool thing about this show.

But now Hook is trapped on the Nautilus as Gideon sends it on its way. Interesting that Gideon didn't just send it to the bottom-- a clear indication that there is some good in him.

 

[LJones41]

I don't think they could have re-merged EQ and Regina... the Evil Queen, despite being separated from Regina, now exists as her own entity, her own self and being. It's the Tuvix Conundrum all over again. She could have "absorbed" her, but then in doing so, you kill her.

Why? Regina could not have used magic to re-emerge with her other half? But if you're right and this was the showrunners' way of resolving her character arc, then I can only regard them as nothing more than a pair of shitty writers. All they did was resort to some namby-pamby bullshit to guarantee that Regina is solidified as "good" person and a "hero". How third grade of them. I feel as if I had just watched a season of "CHARMED". Then what can I expect of a series incapable of exploring Emma's character with any real honesty.

 

[Captain Shaw]

Why do they never run into another version of the queen true love Daniel?