Starfleet is a Space Navy (military fleet)

[The Wormhole]

Starfleet is a military and those who say otherwise are quoting propaganda. There, I've acknowledged both sides of the argument valid.

 

[The Old Mixer]

Mike: You alright?
Marcus: No I'm not alright, Mike. Three days of this shit. Got my nerves all rattled. <turns to him> My ass still hurts.
Mike: What?
Marcus: From what you did to it the other night.
Mike: Hey, I didn't mean to be that rough...
Marcus: <Sighs>
Mike: I mean, we got caught up in the moment, things got crazy... you know how I get.
Marucs: Yeah? When you popped me back there, I think you damaged some nerves. Now I... I c...
Mike: You can't what?
Marcus: I can't even get an erection, Mike... I tried takin viagra. I popped one, I popped two... started eaten em like skittles. Still flaccid.
Mike: Um... okay. Look, I'm comfortable talkin to you about what I did to your ass the other night. But you not gettin an erection? That's a real problem for me.
Marcus: I just figured I could talk with you...
Mike: Nah, it's okay. We're partners. We're a partnership. But we're a partnership with boundaries. We got a new rule. From now on, you can't say the word "flaccid" to me. This is our little "boundary box." We're gonna take the word "flaccid" and put it in there with my mom's titties, and your erection problem, and we gonna close this box and we gonna throw this bitch in the ocean. And the only way that you can get to this box is you gotta be motherfuckin' Jacques Cousteau.

I really don't think that such a sexually explicit example is necessary to the discussion in this thread.

 

[GabyBee]

Starfleet is a military and those who say otherwise are quoting propaganda. There, I've acknowledged both sides of the argument valid.

That's just, like, your opinion, man.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Because when you get down to it the only thing about it that makes it non-military is the fact that five people said it isn't.

Actually, two people.

 

[The Wormhole]

That's just, like, your opinion, man.

Well, yeah, of course it's my opinion. I posted it, what else would it be? Everything you post is your opinion, everything everyone posts is their opinion.

 

[Kevin Thomas Riley]

Starfleet is a military and those who say otherwise are quoting propaganda.

War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
Starfleet isn't a military

 

[Shamrock Holmes]

Best of my knowledge the police don't have anything like a courts martial, they stand trial in civilian courts.

New question, do any present day paramilitaries have courts martial?

As with a number of questions on this thread that depends on what you define as paramilitary. For instance, in the US, armed forces under the DoD (military by most definitions) are subject to court-martial, as are USCG personnel (military by law, but mostly not in practice) despite being part of DHS (and traditionally Transport or Treasury), whereas FBI HRT - despite having much of the training and equipment of SOCOM are legally civilian law enforcement and sometimes labelled paramilitary - are not subject to court-martial and are prosecuted in civilian courts.

 

[Nyotarules]

War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
Starfleet isn't a military

And a partridge in a pear tree....with warp nacelles hanging from it.

Anyway I see no reason to compromise about the definition of a fictional organisation

 

[Nerys Myk]

And a partridge in a pear tree....with warp nacelles hanging from it

What color are the nacelles?

 

[Nyotarules]

What color are the nacelles?

rainbow stripes

 

[The Wormhole]

What color are the nacelles?

Blue, of course.

 

[jaime]

Nope, a court martial is strictly a military thing. By the military, for the military.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Court-martial

Is the court martial in Trek basically acting as a form of 'frontier justice' as much as anything though?

 

[Nerys Myk]

rainbow stripes

Canon violation.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Is the court martial in Trek basically acting as a form of 'frontier justice' as much as anything though?

How so?

 

[jaime]

I really don't think that such a sexually explicit example is necessary to the discussion in this thread.

Um...it's two cops and one shot the other one in the rear. The last line about the box is the clincher.

 

[jaime]

How so?

Because they are ostensibly on the frontier, and a full civilian court set up is hard to come by. Hence measure of a man etc.

 

[jaime]

Well, yeah, of course it's my opinion. I posted it, what else would it be? Everything you post is your opinion, everything everyone posts is their opinion.

She's quoting.

 

[Nyotarules]

Canon violation.

Did Picard say warp nacelles are not milit...er not coloured with rainbow stripes????

 

[jaime]

Actually, two people.

It's a few more, those are just the most clearly defined examples. Basically every Captain has said it or something similar, and I think every first officer too.

 

[The Wormhole]

Is the court martial in Trek basically acting as a form of 'frontier justice' as much as anything though?

I don't get what you're asking. We've seen Starfleet court martials, boards of inquiry, disciplinary hearing, you name it. They've all come of as formal, professional, and in line with such proceedings as they're depicted today.

Because they are ostensibly on the frontier, and a full civilian court set up is hard to come by. Hence measure of a man etc.

That never would have gone to a civilian court anyway, since the root of the matter was protesting Starfleet orders and policy.