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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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wtriker1701 said:
I'm sure, if this thread closes, another one will be opened. And then somebody appears and asks "Why all of this? Where did you get your information? What's all the fuzz about?"
"Oh, no problem, go and find the CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar thread and all will be explained."
"Where do I find the thread?"
"Look further down the line. It's closed topic"
"But I'm too lazy to look for it. And I'm too lazy to look through all those pages. And what are the Cliffsnotes?"
:barf::censored::brickwall::wah:
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Don't stress that... new people show up, a summary will interest them or not and they will get to see the comments on new issues as they happen.

Sure the new readers won't appreciate the hundred (literally) weird statements and business-defeating strategies that have emanated from Axanar, but chances are decent they will see more and get the point.

Axanar is still violating the law calling itself nonprofit in California, for example, even after they say they have gotten their act together and know all the laws and are conforming. Maybe they know better, but all in all this seems like just plain stubbornness to stick to manipulation of donors. So whatever has driven the events up to this point will probably unfortunately continue.

And there's always Axamonitor.
 
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dmac said:
The problem is @muCephi is I have zero proof any of his accounting numbers are more than "fill in the blank" figures.
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Yea, all that can be said is the quantum-handwaveform will collapse into values if any government agency intervenes or anyone with real bucks comes along and wants to run a more upfront operation.

dmac said:
I also wouldn't worry about the brand being tainted in the future because it is easy enough for another name to front run the whole thing.
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Funny thing about google, axamonitor will keep popping up :guffaw:

dmac said:
Who knows, maybe in the end whatever comes out of this does create beginner jobs in the film industry and placement for young talent right out of film schools, after a while nobodies going to become concerned if Peters name is connected to it at that point.
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Except that according to the corporation papers he his the 100% owner. So maybe after a buyout, they won't care. But then donors may.

dmac said:
Of course I might be 100% wrong but I started my career rebuilding bankrupt companies. It's an old method of wash and rinse that a lot of business leaned towards back in the day. The only difference is the creditors ended up with the short end of the stick and today it's the "Donors". The only question is if LFIM is following that old pattern or did he really blow through that money stake on intangible assets.
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Do you mean are assets stashed or was everything spent on sushi? Given the floating numbers you mention from Prelude to Taxanar, one could wonder.
 
muCephi said:
Yea, all that can be said is the quantum-handwaveform will collapse into values if any government agency intervenes or anyone with real bucks comes along and wants to run a more upfront operation.



Funny thing about google, axamonitor will keep popping up :guffaw:



Except that according to the corporation papers he his the 100% owner. So maybe after a buyout, they won't care. But then donors may.



Do you mean are assets stashed or was everything spent on sushi? Given the floating numbers you mention from Prelude to Taxanar, one could wonder.
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You meant Elude from Taxanar, didn't you?
 
MikeH92467 said:
I really think that whether this thread ever gets closed or not, the conversation around Axanar and LFIM will not end unless he 1) packs in and tries to disappear 2) dies (not wishing that or anything else bad on him). I'm not sure which is more likely.
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Yeah, he's never going away. :lol:
 
muCephi said:
Do you mean are assets stashed or was everything spent on sushi? Given the floating numbers you mention from Prelude to Taxanar, one could wonder.
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Very little of the $1.5 million was listed as spent on tangible assets, so if his goal was a film studio and all the donor money went to rent and services, it was a horrible plan. When I first saw kickstarters come on the scene I started questioning how long it would be until someone raised $200 - $300 hundred thousand, purchased a property, film, lighting, sets, sound systems and then produced a film. Maybe they repeat this two or three times making a semi credible product mainly with volunteer talent. Donors got what they donated to, the product was completed for better or worse and who is going to complain after 3 or 4 films when the key principle decides to hang it up?
Before the Axanar event I don't remember donors concerned about the cash flow, the pay off was the successful completion of the project.
There are places in this county where one could purchase the warehouse fly and board all the known actors to for a week of filming and still outright own (save property taxes, utilities) the whole kit and caboodle afterwards.
You might even run into this "Key Principle" months latter and discover they are working on making local commercials, film school or whatever and wish them good luck never giving it a second thought.
 
dmac said:
There are places in this county where one could purchase the warehouse fly and board all the known actors to for a week of filming and still outright own (save property taxes, utilities) the whole kit and caboodle afterwards.
You might even run into this "Key Principle" months latter and discover they are working on making local commercials, film school or whatever and wish them good luck never giving it a second thought.
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But then it wouldn't be a *Hollywood* studio/school :wah:
 
Just in case anyone does their $5 donation to the new Indiegogo Axanar project, here is a page Axanar can't delete, that has the relevant scope and claims of their prior Indiegogo campaign:
https://www.crowdfundinsider.com/20...st-studio-quality-independent-star-trek-film/

and this one quotes the joint statement from the studios about the admission of overstepping, and Alec's statement at the time that the agreement precludes any crowsourced fundraising for Axanar (which would be relevant if they try to reference it in the new fundraiser):
https://www.crowdfundinsider.com/20...s-copyright-lawsuit-settlement-paramount-cbs/

And of course the axamonitor page:
http://axamonitor.com/doku.php?id=axanar_indiegogo_details

New Indiegogo donors might want to reflect on how honest the prior campaign appears now, when viewed in light of the money gone and the lawsuit they lost insofar as admitting copyright overstepping and having to conform to guidelines and be nothing more than a fan film. Shouldn't they have been able to conserve so much money? Shouldn't they have known better than to so grossly overstep into being "professional independent Star Trek" under the goodwill terms held open for fan films?
 
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Very intrigued to see the details of the campaign today (assuming it does launch as promised). From watching the leaked pitch video I really have to question how they're going to justify this. Will donors get automatic access to any of the films given free use of the studio? It's hard to see the point in investing for someone like myself (not that I would anyway. Fool me twice and all that).

And I think @dmac is right on the money above. If Alec had rented the warehouse and spent the bare minimum converting it and funnelled most of the money into getting the Axanar film made as promised, I don't think anyone would be complaining about him still having his studio at the end of it.
 
Time to wrap themselves in the flag of fandom because - seriously - who's gonna inveigh upon their friends to send more money to make Axanar itself?

March 19, 2017
Dear Friends, Fans and Donors:

Just a quick note to remind you to look for an special DONOR UPDATE from us here at Axanar Productions announcing the official launch of our crowdfunding campaign to support Industry Studios.

An email with a link to our campaign page on Indiegogo will go out to you on Monday morning, around 9 am (PDT). Please be sure to take a look at what we're offering - and if it sounds like something you can support, we hope you'll do so AND share that fact via social media.

Remember, by inviting others to back us through this upcoming campaign, you'll be helping several independent, fan and student filmmakers achieve their goal of producing their own sci-fi, horror and fantasy stories and films using the high-quality resources of Industry Studios at little to no charge.

Our email will hit your inbox tomorrow!

Thanks in advance for your consideration and support. We can't do this without your help.


Alec Peters
Axanar Productions
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Reilly said:
Very intrigued to see the details of the campaign today (assuming it does launch as promised). From watching the leaked pitch video I really have to question how they're going to justify this. Will donors get automatic access to any of the films given free use of the studio? It's hard to see the point in investing for someone like myself (not that I would anyway. Fool me twice and all that).

And I think @dmac is right on the money above. If Alec had rented the warehouse and spent the bare minimum converting it and funnelled most of the money into getting the Axanar film made as promised, I don't think anyone would be complaining about him still having his studio at the end of it.
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It is LIVE! Smh..........
 
Does this guy have no shame. So, let me get this right; the campaign is for $ 60K and it cost $18K a month (sure it does) to run the place and keep the doors open. So if he makes his goal, that will cover only a little over 3 months of expenses so are we going to keep seeing these fund-raisers every 3 months?

I will be surprised if this campaign even comes close to meeting the goal. I look forward to the day when AP fades away; never to be heard from again.
 
KennyB said:
It is LIVE! Smh..........
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Well, I filed the following report on the Indegogo site (I'd be surprised if they do anything as I'm sure the folks at Indegogo are already aware, but who knows):

Subject: Prohibited Content RE: Industry Studios Indegogo Campaign.

Description:
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/industry-studios-the-first-fan-funded-movie-studio-film
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Prohibited Content RE: "Industry Studios The First Fan-Funded Movie Studio" Campaign

These same people had a legal settlement in a copyright infringement case brought by CBS/Paramount stating they could not do further PUBLIC crowdfunding related to their Star Trek: Axanar fan film project - yet right in the opening paragraph they mention Axanar (see below):
"In 2014 and 2015, fans of the Star Trek fan film "Axanar" helped fund the conversion of a southern California warehouse into a multi-purpose production soundstage. That facility, Industry Studios, serves as the home to Axanar Productions – Hollywood’s premier, nonprofit, film production company dedicated to helping small independent, fan and student filmmakers produce films and other digital content."

And further include a shot of their Star Trek fan film set.

https://c1.iggcdn.com/indiegogo-med...it,w_620/v1489542262/btiqtpyqceojsz4hrcs1.jpg

Even if you discount the direct 'Star trek' references, they are ADVERTISING that they want to make a 'fan film studio' and their pitch video includes comments from fan film makers who are themselves infringing on others Intellectual property and Copyright - including the "Harry Potter" IP.

If Indegogo doesn't even make project starters adhere to your TOS - and you yourselves don't check on the legal status of people asking for money (while still taking your fees); I wouldn't be surprised to see CBS and/or Paramount take some sort of legal action against Indegogo directly.

Flagging Reason: This Campaign is Infringing on Intellectual Property/Copyright.

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feek61 said:
Does this guy have no shame.

I will be surprised if this campaign even comes close to meeting the goal. I look forward to the day when AP fades away; never to be heard from again.
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No he has no shame.
There's already 30 suckers in for over 2,000 in just a few hours so never underestimate the willingness of people to throw their money away.
 
Let me see if I got this straight-
AP creates a for profit studio using money donated to his planned not for profit film project. The are is glutted with similar studios (built professionally with soundproofing), which he can rent space for his film relatively cheaply but he wants his own studio. While his studio may not have soundproofing, it does have plush offices and state of the art phone equipment.
Post CBS/P lawsuit he has determined that his for profit studio cannot turn a profit, but need a cash infusion from additional donations each month just to keep the lights on.
As a nice gesture, he will make the studio available to other independent fan film projects also- ironically those projects which have been either canceled or turned upside down due to the results of his own actions which caused the CBS/P lawsuit in the first place.

is that a fair summery?
 
March 20, 2017

Dear Friends, Fans and Donors:

Over the last few days, I've sent you some emails letting you know that we were launching a crowdfunding campaign to secure the future of our soundstage facility, Industry Studios, for the coming year. That campaign is now live and you can donate to it by clicking here.

Please take a few moments to review our campaign video and get an idea of what we're trying to accomplish. It's truly something special in the entertainment industry: provide new, up-and-coming filmmakers and storytellers an opportunity to use high-quality production facilities for little to no charge so they can bring their stories to life.

This is your chance to help us re-make Hollywood and support the next generation of great storytellers in the genres of fantasy, science fiction and horror.

Please consider donating today!

Thanks in advance for your consideration and support. We can't do this without your help.

Live Long and Prosper,

Alec Peters
Axanar Productions
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