Starfleet is a Space Navy (military fleet)
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I wasn't responding to you. But, thanks for playing.
I notice you didn't chastise Crazy Eddie for saying I had an ideological objection?
I'm interested to know why certain people are willing to believe Picard and Scotty when they say Starfleet isn't military, but they don't believe Sisko when he says it IS. 
It doesn't matter. This is an academic debate, not a place for ad hominem sniggering simply because one disagrees with another's viewpoint.
I'm interested to know why certain people are willing to believe Picard and Scotty when they say Starfleet isn't military, but they don't believe Sisko when he says it IS.
I'm interested to know why certain people are willing to believe Sisko when he says that it is (he actually doesn't, but in any case...) and don't believe Picard and Scotty when they say that it ISN'T.
^ I believe Sisko because he makes sense. What's your excuse?
Because we watch the actual shows and see how Starfleet operates. Pretty much exactly like the modern US military. I wonder why that is? Because Roddenberry and many of the writers on TOS were military men.
If Picard goes to Earth and says the daytime sky is black. Do we automatically go forward with the idea that the sky is black on 24th century Earth? Even though we've seen Earth and it clearly isn't?
Or your interpretation of how the U.S. military operates.
The preponderance of evidence is pretty consistent with that dialog, primarily because none of the other evidence you cite actually requires Starfleet to BE a military organization (non-military or paramilitary groups would fit exactly as well, if not better, for most of them).
And it certainly IS ideological; you are preemptively rejecting the idea that the military cannot be a force for good while simultaneously insisting that ONLY the military can act as the legitimate defender of the state. Neither of those statements are factually true, but they ARE the core tenets of militarism.
What's interesting is, we have already conceded that both Starfleet and the Federation are not militaristic, so it is unlikely they would share this particular belief.
... thus proving my point. You're projecting an anti-militarist ideology opposed to your own ideology because that's what your argument is essentially based on.
It's ironic that while you've been VERY good at quoting even the most barely-relevant lines of trek dialog that could be misinterpreted to cast Starfleet as a military organization, you have not once quoted a single post of mine that even IMPLIES I have any ideological opposition to the military. Considering I've been on this board for almost 11 years, this should not be particularly hard, eh?
My Dad was also in the Air Force, as well as four other uncles, two grandfathers and multiple cousins. Eyesight prevented me from joining. So I have some clues about the military.
Go watch "The Siege of AR-558" and tell me that Starfleet isn't militaristic.
Show a post of mine where I say or imply "rejecting the idea that the military cannot be a force for good". I'll wait. I've been a member here for sixteen years.
I trust the US military about as far as I can throw them...
I can actually separate my feelings on the US military and the armed force of a fictional TV show.
If only I could gather all of the people posting in this thread today and put them to work shoveling my snow....
Whelp, seeing as this thread is getting into the realm of ad hominem projection, I think I'm going to duck out.
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