The X-Men Cinematic Universe (General Discussion)

[Anwar]

They didn't bother making anything X-related after Last Stand for 3 years, and it resulted in the abysmal Wolverine Origins. Then 2 more years after the MCU had taken off with the first 2 Iron Man Movies to release First Class once the MCU reinvigorated interest in Marvel Films.

 

[DigificWriter]

They didn't bother making anything X-related after Last Stand for 3 years, and it resulted in the abysmal Wolverine Origins. Then 2 more years after the MCU had taken off with the first 2 Iron Man Movies to release First Class once the MCU reinvigorated interest in Marvel Films.

First Class was in active development for 2 years before the MCU was even a thing, so claiming that it was released only because of the "success of the MCU" is just nonsensical.

 

[kirk55555]

^^ Logan takes place how many decades after Apocalypse? To say people don't change in, what, 40 years, is ludicrous on its on, let alone to boycott a movie that can allow for literally thousands of stories that took place between the movies where anything could have happened. And he lines up well enough with his character in the comics, (only he finally learned to speak in first person)

There are many other reasons to potentially not see the movie, this one shouldn't even be near that list.

Kind of like how Angel and Psylocke changed (by aging backwards, apparently) in the years between Apocalypse and X3? Or how Colossus became Russian between X3 and Deadpool? Or how Jubilee apparently time jumped into either the past or the future at some point? Or how Bolivar Trask became tall and changed skin tone? Not to mention how there are two Wade Wilson's that look like Ryan Reynolds. The X-men movie franchise is barely coherent at this point. They either need to fully reboot or actually spend five minutes googling if they've used a character before writing a script. But, putting the bare minimum effort into consistency, which they could have an intern do in five minutes if they didn't want to bother themselves, might take away time from writing mediocre scripts like Apocalypse or X3.

Also, like I said, Logan isn't in continuity. For one, it means no one would ever need to watch a FOX X-Men movie again, because we know how they all end. Every single X-Men not named Wolverine or Professor X died (which is ridiculous and not possible, but let's go with what they say). Having an ending to your franchise when you're not planning to end it anytime soon is toot stupid even for FOX. They aren't making X-Men movies "in between" DOFP and Logan. They're making movies that will never line up with Logan. The X-Men will never die en masse, period. Not unless FOX has to end the franchise for some reason, and probably not even then. They definitely didn't invalidate every movie they'll make by preemptively killing off every X-Men character off screen in a mediocre spin off movie.

I'm not asking much, continuity wise. Its basic stuff, which anyone else would do because it requires almost no effort to not use the same damn characters twice. Especially when, like the X-Men franchise, you have a cast of probably hundreds of characters to call on, and can pretty much always have a bunch of characters available to fill any story spot you need. I don't even give a crap about Caliban specifically, I'm just sick of them doing this. The fact that its in a movie that basically can't be in continuity doesn't even excuse it, because they've been doing this for way too long. So between that, and the stupid "Dead X-Men", Logan looks to probably be the second worst wolverine movie, and one of the lesser quality X-Men films. I'll still see it sometime, because I obviously have a problem resisting superhero film. But, I'd put my "excitement" at about the same level as the first time I watched Fant4stic (knowing full well how much it sucked).

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

You ever read any comic set in the future? Old Man Logan (where all of the X-Men DID die and that this movie had at least a few fingerprints from), Hulk: Future Imperfect (All of the X-Mem and more died), Spider-Man 2099 (they're dead again) or any other thousands of them?

Why is this so much worse than those, when all they're doing is simply telling a the story they want to tell about a possible future? (Unless you dislike those as well, and then this makes sense, it's simply a personal preference thing as opposed to good versus bad storytelling)

 

[DigificWriter]

I haven't heard of anything in Logan that disqualifies Caliban from being the same character as seen in Apocalypse, so I don't see what the problem is.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

I haven't heard of anything in Logan that disqualifies Caliban from being the same character as seen in Apocalypse, so I don't see what the problem is.

I haven't heard of anybody that saw the movie bring this up. There's nothing there to even question, like you said. In Logan he's older, since that's how time works.

 

[Ethros]

Remember a few years ago Mark Millar was hired to oversee Fox's "cinematic universe" for X-Men and Fantastic 4 movies.... Did he ever actually do anything? After that news of him getting that job I can't recall ever hearing from him again about it.

For one, it means no one would ever need to watch a FOX X-Men movie again, because we know how they all end.

While I do think you should chill a little and check Logan out first (if you hate it you hate it, if you love it you love it) and it's probably best to just think of it as a What If and try enjoy it for what it is, or at least that's what I did. As if not yes I do agree with your point, who cares whatever happens in "X-Men: Supernova" (or whatever it will be called) when they're all just gonna die anyway. Well, I mean everyone dies at some point, but in such a pointless, meaningless way, in renders the whole point of the X-Men and Xavier's dream for mutantkind pointless to watch IMO


(I know I said point about 17 times in that post )

 

[DigificWriter]

As far as I know, he was supplanted on the X-Men side by Bryan Singer and Simon Kinberg, so, no, he didn't actually do anything as far as being a 'cinematic overseer' goes.

 

[kirk55555]

You ever read any comic set in the future? Old Man Logan (where all of the X-Men DID die and that this movie had at least a few fingerprints from), Hulk: Future Imperfect (All of the X-Mem and more died), Spider-Man 2099 (they're dead again) or any other thousands of them?

Why is this so much worse than those, when all they're doing is simply telling a the story they want to tell about a possible future? (Unless you dislike those as well, and then this makes sense, it's simply a personal preference thing as opposed to good versus bad storytelling)

Old Man Logan had my favorite Marvel Hero (She-Hulk) become Bruce banner's Incest Wife. It also made them and their incest children into redneck cannibals. That is just one of its many crimes agains comics, decent writing and good taste. Old Man Logan is a gigantic pile of shit and Mark Millar is an asshole.

Anyway, those stories are alternate universe. So, exactly what I'd say Logan is (out of continuity with the X-Men cinematic universe for the reasons I stated, making it an alternate continuity/future). But, they don't outright state it is because, even though it obviously has to be, calling it the pointless spin off is not good marketing. I have no real desire for more grim dark superhero junk (Zach Snyder has the monopoly on that, and I wish Logan wasn't trying to steal his "thing"), alternate universe or not. Its fine to have dark elements, but I don't watch superhero movies to get cynical, violent schlock and little to no actual heroic stuff. DOFP had a dark future but it wasn't a "dark" movie.

While I do think you should chill a little and check Logan out first (if you hate it you hate it, if you love it you love it) and it's probably best to just think of it as a What If and try enjoy it for what it is, or at least that's what I did. As if not yes I do agree with your point, who cares whatever happens in "X-Men: Supernova" (or whatever it will be called) when they're all just gonna die anyway. Well, I mean everyone dies at some point, but in such a pointless, meaningless way, in renders the whole point of the X-Men and Xavier's dream for mutantkind pointless to watch IMO

Like I said, at the bare minimum I'll hate watch it (I own Fant4stic, and that movie is terrible, I have a problem saying no to superhero movies). I'll admit I'm going in with expectations so low that if they manage to have one semi decent scene I'll consider it a victory. But, being painfully out of continuity and connected to what I consider one of the worst Marvel Comics printed (Old Man Logan) means I'll probably end up liking Origins better, and I hate that movie.

 

[Anwar]

First Class was in active development for 2 years before the MCU was even a thing, so claiming that it was released only because of the "success of the MCU" is just nonsensical.

First Class was originally supposed to be a Magneto movie about his younger days but they didn't make much progress on it, and then Wolverine Origins was threatening to tank things due to poor reception.

You don't find it suspicious that it was only after the MCU started up they got the production back into gear?

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

Old Man Logan had my favorite Marvel Hero (She-Hulk) become Bruce banner's Incest Wife. It also made them and their incest children into redneck cannibals. That is just one of its many crimes agains comics, decent writing and good taste. Old Man Logan is a gigantic pile of shit and Mark Millar is an asshole.

Bruce Banner Hulk is my favourite, I get what you're saying and didn't care for the story either. But it was just a story, nobody got hurt, no need for anger. Millar just wrote a story that wasn't good, no need to get mean about it.

But, they don't outright state it is because, even though it obviously has to be, calling it the pointless spin off is not good marketing.

All movies set in the future are alternate future until proven right. It's a given, no need to state it. Trope of sci-fi and comics since the beginning.

But, being painfully out of continuity and connected to what I consider one of the worst Marvel Comics printed (Old Man Logan) means I'll probably end up liking Origins better, and I hate that movie.

Nothing in this movie contradicts anything in the previous movies. And the connection to the comic is absolutely minimal. Off hand, I can only think of them both sharing one set location (fallen water tower) and one character in an older Wolverine.

 

[Booji]

Remember a few years ago Mark Millar was hired to oversee Fox's "cinematic universe" for X-Men and Fantastic 4 movies.... Did he ever actually do anything? After that news of him getting that job I can't recall ever hearing from him again about it.


While I do think you should chill a little and check Logan out first (if you hate it you hate it, if you love it you love it) and it's probably best to just think of it as a What If and try enjoy it for what it is, or at least that's what I did. As if not yes I do agree with your point, who cares whatever happens in "X-Men: Supernova" (or whatever it will be called) when they're all just gonna die anyway. Well, I mean everyone dies at some point, but in such a pointless, meaningless way, in renders the whole point of the X-Men and Xavier's dream for mutantkind pointless to watch IMO


(I know I said point about 17 times in that post )

Not true at all. The 'Logan' story was a perfect set up for a future X 'Onslaught' movie, which will obviously change the future.. just like the comic story did.

 

[DigificWriter]

First Class was originally supposed to be a Magneto movie about his younger days but they didn't make much progress on it, and then Wolverine Origins was threatening to tank things due to poor reception.

First Class and the Magneto Origins movie were not the same project originally. They were being developed simultaneously, but were later folded together.

You don't find it suspicious that it was only after the MCU started up they got the production back into gear?

No, because there's no equivalency there... especially since by the time Iron Man launched the MCU in 2008, First Class already had a nearly-finished script ad was being shopped around to directors, only for that script to be discarded and reworked.

 

[Set Harth]

They didn't bother making anything X-related after Last Stand for 3 years

3 years was the standard time gap between films up to that point.

Every single X-Men not named Wolverine or Professor X died (which is ridiculous and not possible, but let's go with what they say).

Am I missing something? I don't recall that being said.

Nothing in this movie contradicts anything in the previous movies.

There are always suggested workarounds, but this movie says no mutants have been born in 25 years while we see kids younger than 19 in DOFP; Logan has his dog tags even though he lost them in the original timeline and didn't have them in Apocalypse; the adamantium bullet is now lethal even though it wasn't in Origins.

 

[Caretaker]

There are always suggested workarounds, but this movie says no mutants have been born in 25 years while we see kids younger than 19 in DOFP; Logan has his dog tags even though he lost them in the original timeline and didn't have them in Apocalypse; the adamantium bullet is now lethal even though it wasn't in Origins.

"No more mutants." Evidently the new timeline had a version of M-Day.

 

[Nerys Myk]

"No more mutants." Evidently the new timeline had a version of M-Day.

I'm looking at you Quicksilver's sister!

 

[DigificWriter]

There are always suggested workarounds, but this movie says no mutants have been born in 25 years while we see kids younger than 19 in DOFP; Logan has his dog tags even though he lost them in the original timeline and didn't have them in Apocalypse; the adamantium bullet is now lethal even though it wasn't in Origins.

None of these things are contradictions. They're either expansions of the mythology beyond what we knew/expected or confirmation of producer statements that events similar to things that happened in the original timeline happened in the new timeline.

 

[Tosk]

There are always suggested workarounds, but this movie says no mutants have been born in 25 years while we see kids younger than 19 in DOFP

Prove that they were mutants!

Seriously though, Xavier even said once that he wanted the school to cater to mutant and non alike, so...y'know.

 

[Anwar]

None of these things are contradictions. They're either expansions of the mythology beyond what we knew/expected or confirmation of producer statements that events similar to things that happened in the original timeline happened in the new timeline.

So in other words "It's a new timeline and we can do whatever the Hell we want damn the prior movies!"?

Pure laziness.

 

[Set Harth]

None of these things are contradictions.

There's always some excuse or rationalization. It feels like you're saying true contradiction is virtually impossible.

or confirmation of producer statements that events similar to things that happened in the original timeline happened in the new timeline.

I don't see how that applies to any of the things I mentioned. Confirmation of the idea that 'events similar to things that happened in the original timeline happened in the new timeline' would be things like Rogue's hair at the end of DOFP and ( presumably ) the references to Liberty Island and Wolverine's cage-fighting that we hear in Logan.

So in other words "It's a new timeline and we can do whatever the Hell we want damn the prior movies!"?

In some cases the change makes total sense, such as Kurt joining the group earlier in the new timeline in Apocalypse, which is a direct result of Raven's involvement, which itself is a direct result of her story turning out differently in DOFP.