They speak to me.
Incidentally do Starfleet officers get paid?
Aaand, are there religions in the Federation?
Starfleet is a Space Navy (military fleet)
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They speak to me.
Incidentally do Starfleet officers get paid?
Aaand, are there religions in the Federation?
Even the name Starfleet is essentially synonymous with Spacenavy.
Phasers: Assault Phaser
Notice the SWAT-type shields.
This is akin to the U.S. Navy Special Response Team:
It all adds up: Starfleet security officers are Military Police or MPs, like those in the Navy.
Phasers: Assault Phaser
Liam Kavanagh has recently turned up the following information from The Making of the Trek Films. . . .
Laughed Greg Jein, "There were a lot of things we wanted to build into the new phasers, to make them more believable as a weapon than a squirtgun. In one scene, a Federation SWAT team is preparing an assault. . . ."
Laughed Greg Jein, "There were a lot of things we wanted to build into the new phasers, to make them more believable as a weapon than a squirtgun. In one scene, a Federation SWAT team is preparing an assault. . . ."
Notice the SWAT-type shields.
This is akin to the U.S. Navy Special Response Team:
U.S. Navy Special Response Teams are specially-trained Naval Security Force (Military Police) personnel, typically Master-At-Arms, stationed with a given Naval installation / vessel.
As with USMC, Army and USAF SRTs, Navy Special Response Teams / Special Response Forces are special weapons and tactics (SWAT) teams tasked with responding to crisis situations such as active shooters, hostage taking, barricaded suspects and with providing additional security during high profile events.
As with USMC, Army and USAF SRTs, Navy Special Response Teams / Special Response Forces are special weapons and tactics (SWAT) teams tasked with responding to crisis situations such as active shooters, hostage taking, barricaded suspects and with providing additional security during high profile events.
It all adds up: Starfleet security officers are Military Police or MPs, like those in the Navy.
Even the name Starfleet is essentially synonymous with Spacenavy.
Phasers: Assault Phaser
Liam Kavanagh has recently turned up the following information from The Making of the Trek Films. . . .
Laughed Greg Jein, "There were a lot of things we wanted to build into the new phasers, to make them more believable as a weapon than a squirtgun. In one scene, a Federation SWAT team is preparing an assault. . . ."
Notice the SWAT-type shields.
This is akin to the U.S. Navy Special Response Team:
U.S. Navy Special Response Teams are specially-trained Naval Security Force (Military Police) personnel, typically Master-At-Arms, stationed with a given Naval installation / vessel.
As with USMC, Army and USAF SRTs, Navy Special Response Teams / Special Response Forces are special weapons and tactics (SWAT) teams tasked with responding to crisis situations such as active shooters, hostage taking, barricaded suspects and with providing additional security during high profile events.
It all adds up: Starfleet security officers are Military Police or MPs, like those in the Navy.
What if they were some sort of ghostly Cyberman, cold, ruthless, sadistic and capable of inverting the truth like a flip flop circuit? And whispering in civilians ears.? Seen or heard any recently? lol
Prince Philipp exploded...
Can, has, and did, across the majority of the 20th century. Some might say in the 19th century as well with some author's fictional works changing the language over time.
I would assume they then spend much of their time on training to maintain and improve combat skills, at least a lot more than they do on scientific research or diplomatic outreach.
That they do so in response to the discovery of the Borg indicates that that kind of activity is far from routine.
Is that why Starfleet Academy awards degrees in things like astrophysics, exoarchaeology, xenolinguistics, theoretical physics, and zoology, but offers no specific concentration in military tactics?
Neither does the US Naval Academy, which awards BS degrees in the following majors:
- Aerospace Engineering
- Arabic
- Chemistry
- Chinese
- Computer Science
- Computer Engineering
- Cyber Operations
- Economics
- Electrical Engineering
- English
- General Engineering
- General Science
- History
- Information Technology
- Mathematics
- Mechanical Engineering
- Naval Architecture & Marine Engineering
- Nuclear Engineering
- Ocean Engineering
- Oceanography
- Operations Research
- Physics
- Political Science
- Quantitative Economics
- Systems Engineering
I'll say Starfleet is just that, during times of war Starfleet gets very militarist.
Consider which takes priority over the other when both are/can happen at the same time.
During the Dominion War we saw and heard of vast fleets of Starfeet vessels engaging in combat, an activity that the ships were specifically designed for. War.
In a episode where the Enterprise finds itself in a far away galaxy, Picard is in favor of having Starfleet send a pure research/exploration vessel replace the Enteprise in the area.
Because the Enterprise itself isn't such a vessel.
In two of the Star Trek movies, cadets are shown in combat simulators.
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For me Starfleet is a millitary force, except when its being an exploratory one. I see it a bit like the 18th C British Navy. Out of touch from base (and authority) for long periods of time, showing the flag, supporting the expansive plans of its society, engaging in defensive actions (yeah and aggressive too - but the analogy breaks down there!!)and discovering "Strange new" lands (Australia, New Zealand and Polynesia, NW Passage). No surprise though because didnt GR see Kirk as Hornblower in space?
And even purely scientific in Darwin's case!
And even purely scientific in Darwin's case!
Yes, it makes sense that they would want engineers with a background in weapons systems (which is primarily electronics and data technology). And I would imagine Starfleet Academy would have something similar, weapons systems being such a significant part of their starships.
Except that it was explicitly stated in dialogue on numerous occasions that Starfleet neither designed nor constructed warships until the Defiant prototype.
GabyBee, I meant this about contemporary militaries and saying that Starfleet did spent much of their time on those tasks rather than combat training.
For me, a big part of the issue is that if Starfleet is a Federation military its officers are soldiers which seems very far apart from how most of the characters thoughts of themselves. Kirk identified himself as that once (at least somewhat for dramatic effect, to motivate others to also fight, and he regretted that by the end of the episode), Scotty, Sisko and Worf and maybe O'Brien may have been more martially-minded but I think they still wouldn't think of themselves as primarily soldiers and the rest of the characters really wouldn't think of themselves as soldiers.
To be an officer in today's military, you must at least have a B.A. Whether you go the traditional route and get accepted to an Academy, such the Naval Academy at Annapolis or West Point, or you can earn your degree elsewhere and become an officer through R.O.T.C.
If you enlist, you first go through basic training, then you attend a school for occupational training. About 10% of Army occupations are combat related.
In the Navy, it's probably an even smaller percentage. And Starfleet has all those same positions that are combat oriented, that today's navy has. They are filled by enlisted personnel, who train for their particular job.
TNG, DS9 and VOY contradict themselves on the warship angle numerous times.
The fact is, Starfleet ships and officers are demonstrated time and time and time again as military (but with pretty lousy training and discipline sometimes).
No doubt that they talk about being scientists and explorers et al, but that doesn't change the fact that it is military.
The fact is, Starfleet ships and officers are demonstrated time and time and time again as military (but with pretty lousy training and discipline sometimes).
No doubt that they talk about being scientists and explorers et al, but that doesn't change the fact that it is military.
Are you saying that there aren't Enlisted personnel in today's military that don't own multiple degrees?
Or that to be enlisted in Starfleet requires advanced degrees? From that same episode there are crewmen that hold no degrees.
Which is why Kirk described it as a "combined service." Starfleet seems to operate in both capacities, and has personnel trained to specialize in several different fields.
I also look at some of the influences for Star Trek originally, and one was the Space Cadet by Robert Heinlein.
It's an interesting tension that the Solar Patrol finds itself, with many similarities that Starfleet will eventually develop in to. Obviously, there are substantial differences, since Starfleet is not a repository of atomic weapons for Earth's nations. But, there is that idea that this organization that uses weapons, uniforms and ranks is not a full military, but can function in in some other capacities.
The idea that Starfleet can serve multiple functionalities, both military and non-military is one that I find easily acceptable. It might seem a little foreign, possibly because there is no real world parallel, as well as the fact that several different writers have brought their own ideas to the organization.
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