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The latest installment in the X-Men series is here, once again featuring it's most popular character, Logan, aka Wolverine. But this time, we're being treated to a more personal story. The trailer below says it all. Check it out if you haven't already and watch it again if you have. It sets the tone for what's supposed to be the end of an era, a swan song for Hugh Jackman and Patrick Stewart in their respective roles, as well as the beginning of a new one with the introduction of a young girl who could very well follow in the footsteps of the title character.

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God, I cannot wait to see this movie. I may go to an early screening of it Thursday night, and then see it again with my buddy Saturday night. This movie looks like it's going to kick all kinds of ass and reviews on it so far have been very, very strong.
 
Absolutely fantastic movie. The trailer didn't give much away and there were plenty of surprises.

As bad as Superman v Batman was or Suicide Squad or how boring Dr Strange was last year, this is on the other end of that scale.

Character driven, well paced and put together, humourous, brilliant acting from the two main men and a great send off to these characters.

There was one element of the story that I did not like which stops me from giving it an A+ which was the "super soldier".

Not just the best X-Men movie, but I think for me this eclipses The Dark Knight as the best superhero movie.
 
Saw this today, fucking loved it. I've loved these characters since X-Men in 2000, it was an amazing, heroic and dark-as-fuck sendoff.
 
Probably going to have to skip this in theaters, since almost every weekend is filled with birthdays, rehearsels, band-gig and prep for moving house late april. Kinda sucks
 
Just saw it this late afternoon/early evening.

Hmm, I liked it, it was good, Hugh Jackman was excellent. But apart from it being different to a standard "comic book movie" I don't really get what the huge hype over it is.


Just one thought for now, I mean you really surely have to think of this as a "what if" movie, no? Because for a part of this whole X-Men saga... I'll go to spoiler code as it is very spoilery for the film
So all the X-Men are dead. Professor X killed them by accident. And no one really seems that bothered. Or "seven mutants" anyway, whoever they were. It just kinda makes the whole ending, and indeed almost the whole point of DOFP a bit pointless. "Let's change the timeline and save all the mutants so then in the new timeline mutants are almost extinct too and Xavier himself kills most of the rest."

That's why I could only really enjoy this if I think of it as a what if. If not who cares what happens in X-Men: Supernova (or whatever the next movie is called) when most of the X-Men are just gonna wind up dying offscreen somehow anyway.

Isn't the whole point of the X-Men that it's about Charles Xavier and his students working together to show humanity there's a better way, that humans and mutants can live and work together in peace? But here we see oh that never happens, mutants all die off anyway, and Charles Xavier actually killed a load of his students, and he ends up just dying in bed stabbed by a clone of Wolverine..... Hmm, great...

I get that this plot point wasn't the real point behind the movie, but as a fan of the franchise it did stick out for me.

Also the use of the R-rated violence was awesome, to finally get to see Wolverine properly going to town. But the constant use of the F-word in the first 20 minutes or so... It's like they took a normal script and added fuck or fucking to every other sentence. It got pretty OTT to be honest, as if it was only to say "hey look at us we can swear all we want!"
 
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Just saw it this late afternoon/early evening.

Hmm, I liked it, it was good, Hugh Jackman was excellent. But apart from it being different to a standard "comic book movie" I don't really get what the huge hype over it is.


Just one thought for now, I mean you really surely have to think of this as a "what if" movie, no? Because for a part of this whole X-Men saga... I'll go to spoiler code as it is very spoilery for the film
So all the X-Men are dead. Professor X killed them by accident. And no one really seems that bothered. Or "seven mutants" anyway, whoever they were. It just kinda makes the whole ending, and indeed almost the whole point of DOFP a bit pointless. "Let's change the timeline and save all the mutants so then in the new timeline mutants are almost extinct too and Xavier himself kills most of the rest."

That's why I could only really enjoy this if I think of it as a what if. If not who cares what happens in X-Men: Supernova (or whatever the next movie is called) when most of the X-Men are just gonna wind up dying offscreen somehow anyway.

Isn't the whole point of the X-Men that it's about Charles Xavier and his students working together to show humanity there's a better way, that humans and mutants can live and work together in peace? But here we see oh that never happens, mutants all die off anyway, and Charles Xavier actually killed a load of his students, and he ends up just dying in bed stabbed by a clone of Wolverine..... Hmm, great...

I get that this plot point wasn't the real point behind the movie, but as a fan of the franchise it did stick out for me.

Also the use of the R-rated violence was awesome, to finally get to see Wolverine properly going to town. But the constant use of the F-word in the first 20 minutes or so... It's like they took a normal script and added fuck or fucking to every other sentence. It got pretty OTT to be honest, as if it was only to say "hey look at us we can swear all we want!"

Seems to me that no matter what happens in the timelines, the governments and corporations of the world beat the Mutants in the end. At least the timeline is significantly better than what it was. It isn't a what if storyline, it takes place probably around 2 decades after DoFP ending.
 
It seemed like an Elseworlds-type adventure to me. It directly references events of the first X-Men movie a couple of times which were altered/deleted by the events of DoFP (whose original timeline had no future for our heroes at all)

X-Men films have never cared too much about continuity. I'd put this up there with First Class as an example of a film that's better off for breaking continuity. The story has more oomph for me if Logan and Xavier are the same versions of the guys we watched way back in 2000.
 
I've long since given up on an "continuity" in the X-Men movies.

Going to see it at a late-evening screening tomorrow night. Pumped as hell to see it!
 
Absolutely loved it! It was equal parts thrilling, heart-breaking, and touching. Damn, that's good X.
 
Really loved this film. This was Hugh's Unforgiven or The Shootist and, I suspect, the sort of film he and Mangold wanted to make last time but chickened out and inserted robot samurai at the end.

The opening fight, like a Metal-clawed Bourne, with all its carnage, set the tone, as did hearing the F-word in Patrick Stewart's glorious tones. Stephen Marchant was surprisingly effective and touching as Caliban and the interplay between him and the 2 X-veterans worked nicely. I've never seen an episode of Narcos but found Boyd Holbrook an effective foil and I can see why he's been cast in the Predator sequel. The low key action sequences were way more exciting than anything in last year's OTT Age of Apocalypse.

The film isn't perfect - I could've done without X-24 (shades of Terminator Genysis at times), we only got a very throwaway explanation for Logan's ailing condition and Richard E. Grant didn't really add an awful lot to proceedings. However, after 17 years of owning and clearly loving this role, this was a fitting send-off for Jackman (and Stewart).

Don't fancy being the Lazenby or Moore to his Connery!
 
Who even was Richard E Grant by the way? I might have missed something, didn't he say he was the son of someone involved in Wolverine's original Weapon X transformation? Obviously not Stryker's kid, so was it just randomer involved in it?

Other random points, that whole sequence of the slow mo Vegas hotel part was excellent, and also the girl playing X-23 was fantastic throughout.
And as soon as that family took them in I was like "right, they're all gonna die soon enough then" :lol:
 
DoFP
Really loved this film. This was Hugh's Unforgiven or The Shootist and, I suspect, the sort of film he and Mangold wanted to make last time but chickened out and inserted robot samurai at the end.

The opening fight, like a Metal-clawed Bourne, with all its carnage, set the tone, as did hearing the F-word in Patrick Stewart's glorious tones. Stephen Marchant was surprisingly effective and touching as Caliban and the interplay between him and the 2 X-veterans worked nicely. I've never seen an episode of Narcos but found Boyd Holbrook an effective foil and I can see why he's been cast in the Predator sequel. The low key action sequences were way more exciting than anything in last year's OTT Age of Apocalypse.

The film isn't perfect - I could've done without X-24 (shades of Terminator Genysis at times), we only got a very throwaway explanation for Logan's ailing condition and Richard E. Grant didn't really add an awful lot to proceedings. However, after 17 years of owning and clearly loving this role, this was a fitting send-off for Jackman (and Stewart).

Don't fancy being the Lazenby or Moore to his Connery!

I don't think he has been a great Wolverine, but that is mostly down to the material. This movie was the first one to really get the character, at least as I know him, right.
 
Good, not great. Fantastic acting, way too dour, depressing and dark for my tastes, it felt like X-Men Game of Thrones (and I quit watching that show, so I don't mean it as a compliment). Not only was the violence and cursing excessive, but they threw in the most pointless bit of nudity I've ever seen. Almost seemed desperate for that R.

But through that, my goodness, can these actors act. I'm glad the script allowed for so many of those wonderful moments as well. Charles acting childish in the backseat after taking his medicine had me in stitches.
 
Don't fancy being the Lazenby or Moore to his Connery!


Huh?


The movie seems like an X-Men combined version of "The Road" and "Midnight Special".
 
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The only things I did not like were the lack of explanation of what happened "a year ago" with Charles and the continuity in the timeline. I get that his ailing brain caused him to kill a few mutants by accident but I wanted to know a little more on that and also why Logan was dying. I know he said something about being poisoned by the adamantium. As for the timeline, I know that what Logan did in DoFP erased X1-3 movies basically and created an alternate timeline where we found Apocalypse and now this, but I was confusing with the hails to previous movies in the script. I know the Wolverine movies have always tried to stand alone, but I almost needed just one more thread back into the entire X-Men universe. I mean this is the end of an era.
Just got back from watching....Great Movie. Felt like a blend between dark superhero and gunslinger western.

But anyway...fantastic character driven film with great special effects and I was glad to see it be darker and more adult.
 
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Logan

My Grade: A
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The X-Men movie franchise is.... Well, it's a mess. The quality of the movies are all over the place, the continuity between them into a cohesive "universe" really doesn't exist and, well, they've probably had more bad or at the best "meh" movies than they've had "good" movies/

Logan sits in neither category, it is a category entirely in itself as an excellent X-Men movie and really more than that it works as a damn-good regular movie, saving for the comic-book aspects of it.

There's no CGI villains, no world-ending device shooting a beam of light into the sky, and no quipy lines between characters to get a chuckle in, as good as the Marvel Cinematic Universe is they're mostly just doing crowd-pleasing pretty-looking action movies but they've never gotten very deep. Logan gets deep. You need not necessarily have seen any of the other X-Men movies in order to watch this one, but you may need to have some idea of the "universe" it takes place in: namely what "Mutants" are and who Charles Xavier and Logan are and what their abilities are having just that basic bit of knowledge is all that is needed the movie doesn't tie into the other X-Men movies in any meaningful way, cursorily shrugging them off an implying them as being adaptations of "in-universe" comic book adaptations.

The year is 2029 and it would seem all of mutant-kind had died off, either the genetic mutation causing it all was a fluke or governmental powers successfully weeded out of the population; most of the X-Men were killed off by an aging Charles Xavier who frequently has violent seizures that causes his telepathic brain to attack nearby humans and mutants. The Mutant formerly known as Wolverine, Logan, takes care of Xavier in a parcel of land he lives on south of the border, keep Prof. X in a collapsed water tower which helps to contain the seizure's effects when he has them, and Logan works to keep X medicated so he's more-or-less easy to deal with,controls the seizures, and keeps him coherent and lucid; senility has taken a strong hold otherwise on the nonagenarian. Logan works as a limo driver and lives with an albino mutant, Caliban.

One day, one of Logan's fares pleads with him to take her and her daughter to a mutant sanctuary that supposedly exists in Canada, but Logan is dubious and unwilling but quickly finds himself forced into helping when government contractors come looking for the daughter intending to capture her as she's an experiment that's gotten loose. The daughter, Laura (or X-23), is mutant very much like Logan, she has a quick healing factor and claws that've been surgically coated with the indestructible metal adamanitum . (In her case she has two claws in her arms/fists and one claw each foot) Nevertheless when the mother dies Logan finds himself forced to care for the girl and get her to safety.

At this point in the continuity of the movies Logan would be nearly 200 years old and his age is taken a toll as well as the adamantium that covers his entire skeleton has been slowly poisoning him for 50 years. his joints are stiff, he moves and walks like an arthritic old man and his healing factor is so weakened he actually shows scars and suffers from his injuries, he is a broken man longing for his release but seems to find new hope and the young girl he's tasked with caring for.

The movie doesn't exactly have a lot of surprises and twists in it but there's some interesting things that pop-up over the course of the movie. If there's one weak point it's that our main villains are kind of just there, but it's okay because the movie low-stakes. The movie is more driven by the characters as we follow Logan, Lara, and Professor-X as they make their journey from Texas to Canada and the hurdles they come across along the way, the world they live in isn't exactly apocalyptic or even dystopian but it feels like one that's teetering on that edge. Society is more-or-less getting by.

When the movie's creation was first announced it was said to be based off the "Old Man Logan" graphic novel, but the two share very little in common besides being centered around an aging Wolverine and needing to take a long trip with an old companion; but in the graphic novel the world is very post-apocalyptic (following a massive war that killed most or all superheroes) and Logan's trip is more out of personal necessity and soon personal revenge, he's also a "pacifist" that hasn't used his claws in a long time. This movie has very little of those elements beyond "an older Wolverine."

The performances in the movie by Hugh Jackman (Wolverine/Logan) and Patrick Stewart (Professor-X) are great performances out of both of these men, they're giving us their A-Material and it's easy to buy Logan as broken man longing for his death and dying Professor-X still trying to hold on to life. Also turning in a great performance is Dafne Keen who plays Laura/X-23, she doesn't have a whole lot of lines but the girl delivers a lot in her performance from her facial expressions, walk and just general attitude. She plays the role like a feral child, as this take on X-23 very much is; but she plays that feral child with good emotion you feel for her when you see her struggle with her feelings and you fear her when she goes into her mini-little Berserker Mode.

Which brings me to: The violence.

Holy hell is this movie violent! And I loved every moment of it, the use of the claws by Wolverine and X-23 is painful and gruesome, it's everything we've wanted to see Wolverine do ever since these movies began 17 years ago. We see the blood, the decapitations, the severed limbs and feel the slice of indestructible blades slashing through flesh. It's very much on par with John Wick 2, but I'd probably argue a bit more violent since we're talking about slashing and knives verses bullet wounds.

It's a good movie. Well acted, well scored, well directed and it manages to have some heart and soul to it as the characters move on their journey. The reviews on it haven't been over-hyping it, this isn't just a good "comic book movie" it's a good movie.
 
As for the timeline, I know that what Logan did in DoFP erased X1-3 movies basically and created an alternate timeline where we found Apocalypse and now this, but I was confusing with the hails to previous movies in the script.
1 to 3 weren't necessarily erased, they could still have happened very close to what we saw. May not have been exact, but it still could have been close.

I was glad to see it be darker and more adult.
There was nothing more adult here than most superhero movies, darkness certainly wasn't it. Dealing with complex emotions would be the closest thing, themes of family and the struggles they bring, but certainly not the darkness.
 
Yeah, where did this "dark "= "adult" nonsense ever come from anyway?

Dark does not have to equal adult. They are merely two adjectives. Not sure on nonsense. I thought we were lightly commenting on and talking about a work of fiction here...

1 to 3 weren't necessarily erased, they could still have happened very close to what we saw. May not have been exact, but it still could have been close.


There was nothing more adult here than most superhero movies, darkness certainly wasn't it. Dealing with complex emotions would be the closest thing, themes of family and the struggles they bring, but certainly not the darkness.

Agreed on the 1-3 idea. Makes sense. Maybe darkness was not the best work but complex I will go with. I'm more impressed with the evolution of the franchise and superhero movies as a whole have come a long way since the cheesy one-liners of X1 or Eric Bana's Hulk or Tobey Maguire's Spiderman. I'm just pleased with Logan in that it didn't revert to old tricks. It was more adult clearly with (1) the language (2) the gruesome violence (3) the western gunslinger / last stand / death of a hero.
 
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