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MeTV's SuperSci-Fi Saturday Night

Kolchak: “Firefall”: This is the best one yet. The doppelganger is not one of your typical horror monsters, and they did their own take on it which, as far as I can tell, is original; it’s more akin to Irish myth of a “fetch,” a lookalike apparition portending one’s imminent death. So this was an unusual kind of horror story, not the sort of thing I’ve seen before, and making it an arsonist’s ghost with pyrokinesis helped make it distinctive too. And the “don’t fall asleep or you’re dead” angle created a lot of urgency and suspense for Kolchak. Nice to see Madlyn Rhue again too, even if it was just for one scene.

Just watched this one. Who did Rhue play? The fortune-teller or the girl who combusted while sun-bathing?

It's funny. I must have seen this one during the show's original run, but I have no memory it.

And is it just me, or was there a lot more driving in this one? Kolchak seemed to be constantly behind the wheel of his car.
 
Making this one of those rare format-breakers that starts with a bonus Hulk incident in progress. .

A nice touch showing the audience that Banner is always in some sort of trouble, which supports David's "Day by day, the creature has been destroying me" line.

Ah, was that the hug from the end of the episode? I'd been wondering what was with our not seeing a vision that time. Perhaps it was a "full circle" moment with her earlier vision?

Yes, it was from the last act--despite the troubling images seen after, her earliest vision is of a positive connection.

(It would have been novel if we'd seen the Lonely Man exit through Annie's vision, complete with music.)[/quote]

...or without music, giving the audience a sobering, realistic view of what David's life is like on the road: silent loneliness.

If touching people is such an issue, you'd think she'd stay away from major population centers.

True enough, but she has a desire to help as many people as possible, and she cannot do that in isolation.


David's reaction to thinking he killed someone is a powerful moment, and definitely makes for a worthwhile episode premise.

...and another landmark for The Incredible Hulk: the first time this has been explored in any live action superhero adaptation--the enormous guilt in particular. Usually, the negative and/or tragic effects of "superheroing" were (and to a large degree still) ignored or shoved into the "part of the job" category until one of the Raimi Spider-Man films and most recently, Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice & Captain America: Civil War (although nowhere near as dramatic as David's reaction).


You never weighed in on whether or not you considered this episode to be cure-related. I very much think it is, as David nearly goes through with the ultimate cure--the only time in the series that we see him contemplate suicide.

Is suicide a cure? Most would think a cure leads to a restoration of a basic, normal life. Suicide eliminates both the problem---and life.



They love that name, don't they?

...along with using production staff names.


And thus she joins that list...and gets bonus points for having learned David's real name!

Good catch--she's one of the few to learn not only that he is the Hulk, but that David Banner is the man behind it all.


Thanks for sharing this. I was very curious about how her role in the episode related to the divorce, given the close timing of the two events.

You are welcome. It just seems there was nothing either Bixby or Benet could have done to avoid the dark road they were traveling.

I also wonder if there had been some intent to use it as a backdoor pilot. It has piloty elements similar to those in the Rick Springfield episode: guest character with a special ability; the setup of her having worked with the authorities and returning to that situation at the end of the episode.

I'm not sure. "Brain Child" also introduced an exceptional character--and a near-sentient computer (with the offer of solving David's problem)--but they were one and done. Just another experience in David's travels.


You're never gonna sell me on that. :p

Wait until the "Equinox" review! :D


It says a lot about David's character that saving McGee is what motivates him to come down from the ledge. That should inform your opinion of David's motives in situations like the one you perceive in "Broken Image". And in reciprocal fashion, McGee exposes the true murderer and proves the Hulk's innocence, showing that he's not so driven in his pursuit of the creature as to be blinded to the truth.

...although one can argue that McGee was protecting his interests in the Hulk by exposing Wolff; while the Hulk already had a warrant for his arrest (pilot), another--for the murder of a teenager (more shocking to the media & public) would intensify any official attempt to capture or kill the Hulk...and with that, his ticket to the big times, to "be somebody!!" would be ripped from his hands.
 
Is suicide a cure? Most would think a cure leads to a restoration of a basic, normal life. Suicide eliminates both the problem---and life.
Regardless of the semantics, it was a dramatic attempt by David to resolve his situation. I think that fits in the "cure-related" category.
 
Regardless of the semantics, it was a dramatic attempt by David to resolve his situation. I think that fits in the "cure-related" category.

I think that's stretching the definition of "cure" too far. Curing and killing are generally seen as opposite concepts. I mean, he literally said he was "Past hope, past cure, past help." So he did not see suicide as a cure -- it's more akin to a patient deciding on assisted suicide because their illness is incurable, because they believe there's no way to be restored to health or a tolerable state of existence.
 
Again, semantics. The bottom line is that it was considered as a final solution to his Hulk situation. Would either of you suggest that one of the other two categories fits better?

Just Schlepping Around (for episodes that have nothing to do with David seeking a cure, he's just wandering into situations)
Paying Lip Service to / Implicitly Cure-Related Activities (for episodes where we're shown or told of bits of business that probably have something to do with seeking a cure, but they don't factor into the main plot in a significant way)
 
I'd say "The Psychic" is a "Schlepping" situation. David isn't investigating a medical treatment or working specifically to gain access to a lab or something; he's just working at a grocery store and accidentally gets drawn into the story. That's a classic "Schlepping Around" premise.

I think of a cure-related story as one where David's search for a cure or treatment is a catalyst for the plot to some extent, even if it's just an excuse to get him into a situation (as in "The Lottery," where he wouldn't even have bothered with the money if he hadn't planned to use it for research equipment). In this case, his contemplation of suicide isn't a catalyst for the situation, but a reaction to it.
 
Is suicide a cure? Most would think a cure leads to a restoration of a basic, normal life. Suicide eliminates both the problem---and life.
Well, a cure can also involve an amputation or other surgery or extreme treatment that does not lead to a normal life. Some people would consider death, looked at as an end to suffering, as a cure. Although in this case, since Banner isn't actually suffering, but is dealing with the equivalent of chronic mental illness, you'd think that his next step would be turning himself in rather than ending his own life.
 
In this case, Banner thought that the creature had become a killer...he may have thought that it was too dangerous to turn himself in.

Intent-wise, I consider "Just Schlepping" to be the "nothing special here" category. The singular event of David attempting suicide deserves recognition as something beyond that. He's taking action to rid himself and/or the world of the creature, which for me falls loosely in the same category as cure-related episodes.

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Batman
"The Devil's Fingers"
Originally aired October 26, 1966​
"The Dead Ringers"
Originally aired October 27, 1966​

From what descriptions I can find online, it sounds like I missed a real format-breaker, with Batman and Robin away and Gordon and O'Hara faced with the unthinkable scenario of actually having to practice law enforcement.
I was disappointed that it wasn't more format-breaking than it was...say, have the entire episode without showing the Dynamic Duo in costume, have it be the Commissioner and Chief O'Hara in the cliffhanger deathtrap, and Batman and Robin show up just in the nick of time to save them.

But we got to see Dick on a date!

It's weird to see Bruce going hunting on vacation, and wearing a jacket with a shoulder pad that's clearly meant for a rifle butt. Batman using guns??? That's kind of bizarre, given that his aversion to guns in the comics had been clearly established for over a quarter-century by this point.
Even setting aside the Early Installment Weirdness of Batman using guns in a few early Golden Age stories, was that a well-established character trait in the era prior to the show...or was it something that later writers emphasized based on evidence of omission (the fact that Batman didn't use a gun)?

I like how the belly dancers got in B&R's way during the hench-fight.
I like how they didn't pull the already-tired "repentant moll" schtick for the female trio. They were emphasized as being hardcore criminals more dedicated and ruthless than the blackmailed Chandell.

I have to wonder if Liberace did much character acting elsewhere. His attempt at playing the gangster twin brother is so bad that it's good.

Man, Aunt Harriet was kind of awesome here, wasn't she? I didn't realize she had it in her. This was her biggest story in the whole series, I think.
She did get a substantially meatier role here...but you didn't have an issue with her actually brandishing a firearm (whereas, jacket aside, Bruce was shown with a fishing pole)?

It really stretches suspension of disbelief in the first part when the Commissioner talks to Alfred via Batphone hookup from Wayne Manor, right after Alfred leaves the room. And we learn that Bruce's ultra-private study not only has an outdoor entrance, but that Bruce leaves the curtains open, such that any henchpeople of the week can walk up to it and see the Batphone sitting there, or eavesdrop while they use the Batpoles.
 
Intent-wise, I consider "Just Schlepping" to be the "nothing special here" category. The singular event of David attempting suicide deserves recognition as something beyond that. He's taking action to rid himself and/or the world of the creature, which for me falls loosely in the same category as cure-related episodes.

Well, forgive me, but I have personal reasons to be deeply upset by the suggestion that suicide can ever be a "cure" for anything. I really, really wish you would not keep linking those concepts, please.


Even setting aside the Early Installment Weirdness of Batman using guns in a few early Golden Age stories, was that a well-established character trait in the era prior to the show...or was it something that later writers emphasized based on evidence of omission (the fact that Batman didn't use a gun)?

It was an explicit and emphatic trait of the character by no later than 1950. I have a collection with a 1950 story, "The Birth of Batplane II" by Bill Finger, Dick Sprang, and Charles Harris, where a mishap causes a group of villains to come into possession of the Batplane and use it to commit crimes. The fact that Batman never uses guns is stated clearly on at least two occasions -- once when the bad guys say they'll have an advantage because "Remember -- Batman doesn't use guns -- and we do!" and again when a random spectator awkwardly exclaims, "Boy -- watch Batman fly rings around those crooks! And remember -- Batman uses no lethal weapons!" The fact that it's presented as something widely known suggests that it was already well-established by then. And if Finger so clumsily underlined it in dialogue in this issue, he probably did the same in plenty of others.


I have to wonder if Liberace did much character acting elsewhere. His attempt at playing the gangster twin brother is so bad that it's good.

Pretty sure the only character acting he did regularly was pretending to be heterosexual.

But seriously, folks... IMDb lists 14 distinct acting roles for him, six of which are "Liberace" and two of which are "Maestro" and "Piano Player/Master of Ceremonies." Three of them are guest appearances in comedy sketches on The Red Skelton Show. He had a starring role in a 1955 movie called Sincerely Yours, a remake of a movie about a concert pianist, but it was a huge flop due to his poor acting. As Wikipedia puts it, "The studio then bought back the contract, effectively paying Liberace not to make a second movie." His only other character role besides Chandell was a cameo as a casket salesman in the 1965 comedy film The Loved One.


She did get a substantially meatier role here...but you didn't have an issue with her actually brandishing a firearm (whereas, jacket aside, Bruce was shown with a fishing pole)?

Aversion to firearms was never established as a character trait of Aunt Harriet, as far as I know.


It really stretches suspension of disbelief in the first part when the Commissioner talks to Alfred via Batphone hookup from Wayne Manor, right after Alfred leaves the room.

To be fair, telephone signal clarity and fidelity were not always as good back then as they are in these digital times, so it could be harder to recognize a voice over the phone. I think that's why so many characters in old movies were able to impersonate other people over the phone so easily -- because their voices would've been too distorted to recognize.


And we learn that Bruce's ultra-private study not only has an outdoor entrance, but that Bruce leaves the curtains open, such that any henchpeople of the week can walk up to it and see the Batphone sitting there, or eavesdrop while they use the Batpoles.

One would think that, theoretically, the walls of the estate would have alarms that would sound if anyone came onto the grounds uninvited. Although we did see a few episodes where crooks were able to break into the Manor rather easily.
 
I was actually able to watch TIH again this week. I had no idea until you guys mentioned it on here that Brenda Benet was Bill Bixby's wife. That is very sad what happened to her.
As for the episode, it was really good. Annie was a really interesting character, and the relationship between her and Bruce was pretty good.
Bruce contemplating suicide after the kid died was a nice dramatic moment. Although I have to wonder if he would have gotten emotional enough to change during the fall. Could this version of Hulk survive a fall like that? I'm so used to the other versions that tend to portray him as invulnerable or nearly, that I tend to forget that the show actually has Hulk getting hurt by things like bullets.
We got a nice role for McGee here too. Hulk saving him was another nice moment. Did they ever give McGee any resolution in either the end of the show or the movies?
 
It was an explicit and emphatic trait of the character by no later than 1950. I have a collection with a 1950 story, "The Birth of Batplane II" by Bill Finger, Dick Sprang, and Charles Harris, where a mishap causes a group of villains to come into possession of the Batplane and use it to commit crimes. The fact that Batman never uses guns is stated clearly on at least two occasions -- once when the bad guys say they'll have an advantage because "Remember -- Batman doesn't use guns -- and we do!" and again when a random spectator awkwardly exclaims, "Boy -- watch Batman fly rings around those crooks! And remember -- Batman uses no lethal weapons!" The fact that it's presented as something widely known suggests that it was already well-established by then. And if Finger so clumsily underlined it in dialogue in this issue, he probably did the same in plenty of others.
I'm familiar with at least one substantially earlier story that I read as a reprint where it was emphasized that he didn't use guns as part of his crimefighting M.O. But I think it was only later that it got made into a character-defining psychological aversion to guns because of the murder of his parents. Thus it's conceivable that Bruce Wayne of this era might have enjoyed some social hunting with his fellow millionaires without it triggering origin flashbacks. (Other than the fishing pole with a communictor in it, there's also mention of muskrat traps in the camping scene, FWIW.)

To be fair, telephone signal clarity and fidelity were not always as good back then as they are in these digital times, so it could be harder to recognize a voice over the phone. I think that's why so many characters in old movies were able to impersonate other people over the phone so easily -- because their voices would've been too distorted to recognize.
But Alfred has such a distinct manner of speaking. I can suspend my disbelief when Alfred the Wayne butler is out of sight, out of mind...but when he was just in the room talking with the commissioner, then answers the Batphone seconds later....

One would think that, theoretically, the walls of the estate would have alarms that would sound if anyone came onto the grounds uninvited. Although we did see a few episodes where crooks were able to break into the Manor rather easily.
It was in the first episode so you probably missed it, but I brought this up because there's a specific scene where the belly dancers appear outside the window of the study (for no apparent reason that I caught). And as soon as they disappear, Bruce and Dick use the Batphone followed by the Batpoles...without even bothering to close the curtains!

You may have also missed the line: "Poor devil--He's been assaulted by a root beer bottle!"
 
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David. :p
Although I have to wonder if he would have gotten emotional enough to change during the fall. Could this version of Hulk survive a fall like that?
I'd have to check the episode again to be sure, but I wasn't convinced that it was high enough to definitely kill him...possibly just enough to trigger a Hulk-Out that might have saved him from deadly injury, though possibly leaving him crippled until additional Hulk-Outs cured him. Though this version of Banner could definitely suffer unconsciousness-inducing injury without Hulking Out. (I think the episode in which he's temporarily crippled by a car--without a HO when the accident happens--is still coming up.)
Did they ever give McGee any resolution in either the end of the show or the movies?
None whatsoever. He only appeared in the first of the three reunion movies. The most unsatisfying aspect of Death of the Incredible Hulk is that McGee wasn't even in it.
 
That's a shame about McGee, with his hunt for proof of the Hulk being such a huge part of the show, it would have been nice got some resolution to that.
Oops, I didn't even realize I did that. I think Hulk and my mind immediately goes to Bruce instead of David.
 
Bruce contemplating suicide after the kid died was a nice dramatic moment. Although I have to wonder if he would have gotten emotional enough to change during the fall.

The fall would've lasted a second or two, tops. Hardly enough time to change. Mixer is right, though, that if he hadn't been instantly killed, his injuries could've triggered a Hulk-out.


Could this version of Hulk survive a fall like that?

In the final movie, the Hulk actually died from a fall out of a plane. Although there was a plan to revive him in a fourth movie, which never happened.


Did they ever give McGee any resolution in either the end of the show or the movies?

McGee was largely missing from the final stretch of standalones that closed out the series. He returned for the first of the three revival movies, but had a pro forma role that was nothing we hadn't seen before; in fact, he'd even quit the Register (or been fired) and was trying to get his job back. As a swan song, it was quite disappointing.
 
His fall from a balcony wasn't from much lower down. In case anyone was wondering--the weapon the kid used is called a zip gun--often used by inmates who find stray bullets:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Improvised_firearm

I actually watched Godzilla's Revenge on Sven last night.

A thought ran through my head.

I think a decent horror movie could have been spliced together out of some of the footage. Shades of the movie Targets.

Bogdanovich got the chance to make Targets because Boris Karloff owed studio head Roger Corman two days' work. Corman told Bogdanovich he could make any film he liked provided he used Karloff and stayed under budget. In addition, Bogdanovich had to use clips from Corman's Napoleonic-era thriller The Terror in the movie.

The industrial ruin porn could have been described as an effort to, say, build the Fukushima sarcophagus--and kids found this outermost building.

There is a scene early on where a child speaks to his father on a locomotive. I would have kept the original language--but would have provided false subtitles:

"How many suicides jumped in front of you today Dad?"

"You shouldn't ask such things."

Some of the ruins just ask for a slip of a girl with long dark hair to crawl awkwardly up some steps
 
Watching the TIH episodes now makes me wish Marvel would do a comic series based on the show that incorporated more elements of the original comics, like DC has done with their Batman '66 and Wonder Woman '77 comics.
 
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