Impact of Discovery on post ST4 new Trek movies

[Mudd]

enterprise ended star trek as we know of it. What we have now is simply a re imagining of it. and thus has no real impact on ourselves.

It has exactly the same impact it always did - it's enjoyable fiction.

 

[Seven of Five]

Being as the Kelvin timeline keeps making all those cool little nods towards all of the Trek series, I can't help but feel Discovery may get the same treatment. And that would do for me, being as they're separate timelines.

 

[Mr Awe]

Being as the Kelvin timeline keeps making all those cool little nods towards all of the Trek series, I can't help but feel Discovery may get the same treatment. And that would do for me, being as they're separate timelines.

The occasional nod would be fine. Actually, the biggest nod of having Greenwood appear as Pike would be cool. Although, not sure that the ages line up correctly. Greenwood is 60 and Hunter was about 38 when he appeared. Oh well.

Mr Awe

 

[Seven of Five]

Pike's father?

 

[Kevin Wolff]

I like Bruce Greenwood but his Pike was too far removed, like just some fatherly character who just happened to be named Pike. Pike was like Picard. Formal, but tortured where Picard could balance ups and downs of losing 18 crew members because he thought he could run off at the mouth to Q about how humanity is ready for deep space exploration. (actually that was totally out of character for season 3 thru Generations Picard, but back in character somewhat in First Contact. It was always bugged that Moore and Braga wrote that Ahab scene. Even Kirk would consider that chewing the scenery. Well acted, though as always.

 

[GravityWell]

Assuming there is a successful fourth movie after Beyond and that the new TV show is a success, at what point does the new movie franchise converge with the new TV show? Granted, I know this is a lot to assume, and I'm hoping mostly that the movies and TV shows are independently successful, but at what point does the tension between the alternate universe and the "Prime" universe become something that is explicitly addressed?

Discovery will dodge the bullet mostly because it's set pre-TOS and won't step on anyone's toes too much, but Prime universe prequels set in Garrett-era Trek would face a host of difficulties, not least of which are the red uniforms and overall aesthetic. Sure, you can make updates and changes, but at some level certain parts of Trek are more fixed than others.

I understand the animosity to new Trek, but perhaps there should be some kind of narrative convergence after the next movie, a way to integrate the new movie timeline into future Trek TV without destroying everything that has come before and leaving the door open for a new potential future that takes the best of both.

I'm afraid there will never be a narrative convergence as I see it due to legal issues. The Kelvin timeline exists to allow two corporations access to one franchise. Discovery could have aired much sooner if it wasn't for complex legal agreements keeping the corporations and their versions separate and without further legal action.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

The only "legal issues" I'm aware of regarding Kelvin/Prime is that Bad Robot will not allow any Kelvin-verse novels. I don't know why not, but there we are.

AFAIK there is no legal problem preventing the creation of a Kelvin TV series, although I'm pretty sure DSC was never going to be one. And besides, the very nature of Kelvin makes it more suitable for films anyway.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I'm afraid there will never be a narrative convergence as I see it due to legal issues. The Kelvin timeline exists to allow two corporations access to one franchise. Discovery could have aired much sooner if it wasn't for complex legal agreements keeping the corporations and their versions separate and without further legal action.

Fuller mentioned that Discovery could have been set within either continuity:

Really, when we developed this story, it could take place in either Prime or the Kelvin [timeline] – the timeline was relatively inconsequential, but there was the cleanliness of keeping our series independent of the [Abrams] films. That way, we don’t have to track anything they’re doing; they don’t have to track anything we’re doing – and you can have two distinct universes.

If it was considered, then Kelvin/Prime crossovers can't be as unimaginable as some think (it's already happened in IDW's comics and the Star Trek Online videogame). Source.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I suppose a DSC episode could feature a cameo or two from Prime Universe counterparts of various Kelvin characters (such as Commodore Paris) that we've seen...but they wouldn't have any impact on Kelvinverse.

 

[GravityWell]

Fuller mentioned that Discovery could have been set within either continuity:

Really, when we developed this story, it could take place in either Prime or the Kelvin [timeline] – the timeline was relatively inconsequential, but there was the cleanliness of keeping our series independent of the [Abrams] films. That way, we don’t have to track anything they’re doing; they don’t have to track anything we’re doing – and you can have two distinct universes.

If it was considered, then Kelvin/Prime crossovers can't be as unimaginable as some think (it's already happened in IDW's comics and the Star Trek Online videogame). Source.

I hope you're right but we couldn't really expect Fuller to say anything else. Note the crossovers have not been produced by Viacom or Paramiount. I really hope I'm wrong.

 

[Anthoney]

They've said it was in the prime timeline not the evil Kelvin.

"theoretically unfolded in either the original “Prime” universe or the “Kelvin” timeline (the rebooted movie universe), but setting it in the Prime timeline allowed the creative team to avoid the need to coordinate with the big-screen creative team on the continuity."

They have to because the Rebooted junk starts only 2 or so years after the beginning of Discovery.

 

[Mudd]

That's a paraphrase - what was actually said was:

“Really when we developed the story it could take place in either Prime or Kelvin so the timeline was relatively inconsequential,” he explained. “But there was the cleanliness of keeping our series independent of the films. That way we don’t have to track anything and they don’t have to track what we’re doing.

 

[Anthoney]

Paraphrase or not (I clipped from some entertainment piece) the Jar Jar Abrams movie would have to intersect if they were using that twisted timeline. The destruction of the USS Franklin would have already happened. Other evil movie events would soon affect the series.

 

[BillJ]

...Jar Jar Abrams...

With your originality, you should go to Hollywood! Great things are waiting for you there!

 

[Anthoney]

With your originality, you should go to Hollywood! Great things are waiting for you there!

Just a long, long, time OG Trekkie who took offense at Mr. Abrams creative (destructive) endeavors.

 

[Balok's Decoy]

Just a long, long, time OG Trekkie who took offense at Mr. Abrams creative (destructive) endeavors.

Sigh, this again.

 

[BillJ]

Just a long, long, time OG Trekkie who took offense at Mr. Abrams creative (destructive) endeavors.

But name calling serves no purpose. I gotta be honest, I much prefer what Abrams did with the franchise vs. what Berman and company did. Been watching since 1975.

 

[Anthoney]

But name calling serves no purpose. I gotta be honest, I much prefer what Abrams did with the franchise vs. what Berman and company did. Been watching since 1975.

Good for you. I personally don't even consider them Star Trek (they seem more like Transformer movies to me). My earliest memories are of watching TOS as it aired. I went to my first convention in 1977.

 

[Balok's Decoy]

Good for you. I personally don't even consider them Star Trek (they seem more like Transformer movies to me). My earliest memories are of watching TOS as it aired. I went to my first convention in 1977.

Well I went to school with Gene Roddenberry and introduced him to Majel! AND I'm best buds with Dorothy Fontana. So ha! How bout that! My creds are the best creds so I win.

 

[BillJ]

I personally don't even consider them Star Trek (they seem more like Transformer movies to me).

This doesn't even make sense. What was Abrams supposed to do, break out the styrofoam and cardboard? The characters and setting are easily recognizable as "Star Trek" to this long time fan.