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T'Pol
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"...and she hated the smell of Humans!"
As far as I can remember, this is implied and assumed, but never actually stated - which would make it ripe for 'retconning'.
Even in "The Andorian Incident" when one of the 'monks' notes that T'Pol has remained on the NX-01 "...but the smell..!"
Nobody ever says outright, that humans smell bad.
It may be that Vulcans find the odour of humans 'unsettling', or possibly (whisper it) arousing...
There is a fan fic story about that one,,,,the idea works and explains a lot.. Amanda was considered a whore cos the other Vulcan women were jealous she got one of their men lol
Sybok's mother is not Spock's mother so why should they look alike? And siblings do not act the same, even when they share the same parents and are raised in the same household
Perhaps Spock's memory of the event is skewed or manipulated by Sybok. Unless its the norm for Vulcans to remember their birth?
Vulcans find the smell disturbing does not mean it is unpleasant lol Also perhaps by then the two were bonded in ignorance, if you cannot take the smell of your bondmate, then who can? That should have been her first sign that Trip and her were well matched lol
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This is such an interesting notion, to me, that Vulcans remember being born ... probably, even, being in the womb, itself. But Spock was a good newborn, though. When he was presented to Daddy, he'd stopped crying, altogether. He had the pointed ears. I don't know what set Sarek off, but something Human about the kid caught his attention ... and it didn't sit well with him. I love how neither Amanda, or the nurse even responded when Sarek passed judgement on what he'd created. What he'd fathered. They saw it coming, maybe ... they knew how he was. He likes things just so ... and there can be no deviation ...
My theory is Sarek is a proud man and even though he wanted Amanda, he still wanted his son to be more Vulcan than Vulcan, perhaps to prove to his snobbish peer group that Vulcan hybrids are worthy to be descendants of Sarek (I don't hold to Spock being the only Vulcan baby with a human parent).
And yet when the baby was born with all that red blood covering him, he engaged mouth before operating his brain. There is a fanfic story that is ex wife T'Rea was the priestess attending his wife and so he acted that way just because she was there. His attitude reminds me of European or Asian women who have children with black men who are 'surprised' the baby comes out more like the dad and less like them, what on earth they expected I do not know....
And yet when the baby was born with all that red blood covering him, he engaged mouth before operating his brain. There is a fanfic story that is ex wife T'Rea was the priestess attending his wife and so he acted that way just because she was there. His attitude reminds me of European or Asian women who have children with black men who are 'surprised' the baby comes out more like the dad and less like them, what on earth they expected I do not know....
Considering his firstborn, full-blooded Vulcan son was kicked off the planet for displaying emotions, I like to think Sarek's pushing Spock to be as Vulcan as possible was from fear he'd be exiled as well
Sybok wasn't exiled from Vulcan just for displaying emotions. He was a radical, a cultish leader who used his abilities to brainwash others.
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I loathed T'Pol originally but my second time through watching the series on my dvds I found she had grown on me. Don't know why but I began to see more depth to her character. It's a shame we didn't get more seasons. After TOS, Enterprise is my favorite.
SPOCK: There was a young student, ...exceptionally gifted, ...possessing ...great intelligence. It was assumed that one day he would take his place amongst the great scholars of Vulcan. But he was a revolutionary.
KIRK: What do you mean?
SPOCK: The knowledge and experience he sought were forbidden by Vulcan belief.
KIRK: Forbidden?
SPOCK: He rejected his logical upbringing. He embraced the animal passions of our ancestors.
KIRK: Why?
SPOCK: He believed that the key to self-knowledge was emotion, ...not logic.
McCOY: Imagine that. A passionate Vulcan.
SPOCK: When he encouraged others to follow him, he was banished from Vulcan, never to return.
http://www.chakoteya.net/movies/movie5.html
He encouraged others to embrace their emotions, they kicked him out.
Vulcan is a fascist state .....Follow Surak or leave...
The problem with Vulcan emotions is that they're supposedly so overwhelming and passionate that emotional control is a requirement, not a choice. And yet, when we get a load of Sybok, he's just this happy-go-lucky used car salesman-type. Romulans, too, are supposed to be such passionate people, but it wasn't really until ST09 that they were ever presented that way. Even then, t'was only due to the fact that Nero's wife was killed ...
I'm thinking Surak oversold it.
There's those Vulcans in the episode "Fusion." We only see three of them, but they're really nice people, especially the younger guy who befriends Trip. The captain is friendly and even eats chicken! The other guy was a creep, though. For some reason, he thought the fastest way into T'Pol's pants was by raping her mind.
...Vulcanians....sheesh!
Ah, yes .... these shitty-assed STAR TREK writers just love a good mind rape, do they not? Because it was all in their mind, it can be said never to have actually happened, so the poor girl's allowed to remain unchanged by the event and put it in its proper perspective. Whilst still creeping out the audience, anyway. If a female character's smokin' hot in STAR TREK and there's a male telepath around, well ... her chances aren't looking too good.
In TNG, Deanna Troi's been mind raped a couple of times: in the appropriately titled "Violations" during the series, by an alien and in Nemesis by a Vulcan offshoot.. Spock, of course, mind raped Valeris for information she didn't have and which he didn't need to get from her, in the end. And now we've got this Vulcan in "Fusion" gearing up to dish out more of the same.
Let's hope that DISCOVERY gives the hotties a break, this time, without trying to entertain the Trekkies with that old chestnut of mind rape. The Galaxy's a really big place and there's a lot going on in the Real World today, that can be applied to it, story-wise, without falling back on these cheap, lackadaisical mind rape devices to rivet an audience. It's time to give the Vulcanians back their dignity ... and mystery ...
In TNG, Deanna Troi's been mind raped a couple of times: in the appropriately titled "Violations" during the series, by an alien and in Nemesis by a Vulcan offshoot.. Spock, of course, mind raped Valeris for information she didn't have and which he didn't need to get from her, in the end. And now we've got this Vulcan in "Fusion" gearing up to dish out more of the same.
Let's hope that DISCOVERY gives the hotties a break, this time, without trying to entertain the Trekkies with that old chestnut of mind rape. The Galaxy's a really big place and there's a lot going on in the Real World today, that can be applied to it, story-wise, without falling back on these cheap, lackadaisical mind rape devices to rivet an audience. It's time to give the Vulcanians back their dignity ... and mystery ...
Which explains why some Vulcans are jealous of humans , we remind of them of their barbarian selves and we do not need to give up sex or chicken to be civilised lol (Ok I don't subscribe to the fanon that Vulcans can only have sex during Ponn Farr).
I don't think pre-Surak Vulcans were any more emotional, irrational or violent than humans are; which is of course plenty of irrationality and violence already.
As for T'Pol, she was my favourite character on the show. I have a lot of gripes about Enterprise in general, and how the Vulcans were handled in particular, but I think Blalock did make a great Vulcan. As Vulcans go, she may have been somewhat emotional, even immature in a way, (just like Spock, she had her issues), but most of the time she came across as calm and wise, just like Spock.
I know there are a lot of Tuvok fans here, but I never much cared for Russ' portrayal. Tuvok seems to be either annoyed or robotic most of the time. I understand that it must be really difficult portray a character which shows little or no emotion without it coming across as robotic or just boring, but I think Nimoy and Blalock definitely handled that better.
As for Sybok, I always assumed his mother had died. It never occurred to me that Sarek could have just divorced... I guess that's possible, but I prefer to think that the untimely death of his first five left Sarek somewhat shaken, pushed his life from it's well planned and logical path, eventually leading to his unconventional second marriage.
I really liked the Vulcans in Enterprise. Soval started out as a PITA, then in late S2 and S3 he was a PITA that seemed to care about Archer and T'Pol. And in season 4 he became a loyal friend and ally.
The Vulcans who just sit and watch Archer explore an asteroid, then at the end they help pull out the shuttlepod
The Vulcan council of physicians were great. They were trying to protect the status quo, then one of their own sacrificed his career to save T'Pol's.
The Vulcans in 1950's earth in "Carbon Creek." Especially the guy who watches I love Lucy and goes to Baseball games. And T'Pol's 2nd Foremother who sells the invention of "Velcro" to pay for the boy's education.
Impulse-Vulcan Zombies. Great suspense episode.
T'Pol had great moments right off the bat, like when Trip gets pregnant, she says "Three Days! You were there for 3 days!" then Trip gets all defensive and says "Cap'n I swear! The whole time I was a perfect gentlemen!" They look at him like "what the heck is that supposed to mean?"
I would compare Tuvok to this:
You meet someone and become friends and they seem very serious. Their humor is so dry that it takes you knowing them for a while before you pick up on it. Now that you can tell when they're joking, it's hilarious.
Tuvok is much the same way. a lot of what he says is sarcastic. And usually pretty funny. If someone new to trek started watching TOS, they wouldn't pick up on half of Spock's jokes, and quips, and comebacks. He delivers much of his humor with a straight face and the same timing as his serious statements. The more you watch, the more you pick up. I think that's why he's (Spock)such a beloved character.
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