Is episode "Past Tense" an omen of a Donald Trump presidency?

[fonzob1]

So? My point still stands they've had years to come up with a replacement plan that would overcome any potenetial issues such as disrupting cov erage.

Well, apparently Rand Paul has something in the works that he will be releasing within the next couple weeks.

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/02/17/rand-paul-obamacare-replacement-plan-march-april-trump-obama

Who knows what will happen though because there are a lot of decision makers in the process. Congress and Trump will have to agree on the final product.

 

[publiusr]

They don't seem in a hurry to get rid of the individual mandate/penalty. Tax breaks for paupers? Forget it.

 

[MacLeod]

Well, apparently Rand Paul has something in the works that he will be releasing within the next couple weeks.

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/02/17/rand-paul-obamacare-replacement-plan-march-april-trump-obama

Who knows what will happen though because there are a lot of decision makers in the process. Congress and Trump will have to agree on the final product.

But surely it should have been ready for a vote on Day 1 when the GOP controlled both Congress and the White House. I would be worried if my politicans had been spending the last X years and something like 60 attempts trying to repeal a bill and they don't have a replacement ready for a vote. They could always have gone with we'll go back to how it was before the PPACA became law.

 

[publiusr]

But surely it should have been ready for a vote on Day 1 when the GOP controlled both Congress and the White House..

That's no guarantee. When Dubya took office--he had an all Republican Congress too. You still have Roe--though watered down.
He got us into a war--and gas prices went up--not down. The Tea party wasn't all that happy with him either.

 

[fonzob1]

But surely it should have been ready for a vote on Day 1 when the GOP controlled both Congress and the White House. I would be worried if my politicans had been spending the last X years and something like 60 attempts trying to repeal a bill and they don't have a replacement ready for a vote. They could always have gone with we'll go back to how it was before the PPACA became law.

Naah. Apparently Paul had some version of this bill in his back pocket for years, but it has to be modified to work right now, and he has to negotiate with other law-makers and the President to make sure it will get passed (not even a guarantee). Government just doesn't move that quickly.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

People voted for Obama to keep McCain from turning Iraq into another Vietnam--and voted for Trump because they didn't like ACA.

If people didn't like the ACA, then why did they vote for Obama over Romney?

 

[fonzob1]

If people didn't like the ACA, then why did they vote for Obama over Romney?

Because the faults of the ACA became more obvious to many voters later rather than sooner. Problems accumulated over time.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Because the faults of the ACA became more obvious to many voters later rather than sooner. Problems accumulated over time.

The elephant in the room in your argument is that more people voted for Hillary than for Trump. Even if every person who voted for Trump did so because of the ACA, it's self-evident that most people don't agree that problems with the ACA are good enough reasons to have voted for Trump.

 

[fonzob1]

The elephant in the room in your argument is that more people voted for Hillary than for Trump. Even if every person who voted for Trump did so because of the ACA, it's self-evident that most people don't agree that problems with the ACA are good enough reasons to have voted for Trump.

Sure. But, I guess the other poster's point was that Trump's voter base had strong objections to the ACA, and I believe that is right. And certainly more people voted for Trump than Romney, so it was a growing sentiment over time.

 

[STR]

I for one am glad that John McCain isn't President. I'll take a pro-Russian Trump to McCain. That man never saw a war he didn't like. Had he been in the White House--it would have been Able-Archer 83 every week.

People voted for Obama to keep McCain from turning Iraq into another Vietnam--and voted for Trump because they didn't like ACA.

Obligatory article for every conversation about John McCain
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/make-believe-maverick-20081016

TL;DR version: scion of famous (for the Navy at least) and connected family drank, gambled, screwed and crashed his way into a reputation that is utterly divorced from his actual history via craven ambition and expediency. My favorite line: "the comparison [between John McCain and George W Bush] is deeply unfair to the [then] current president: George W. Bush was a much better pilot."

The penalty hurts poor folk.

Only in states that didn't expand Medicaid, and only then because the Supreme Court decided that the Federal Government suddenly didn't have the right to say how its money was going to be used.

If you make too much to qualify for Medicaid, you qualify for Market subsidies. If you make too much for that, you're doing pretty well and don't need to be freeloading off the rest of us when after 20 years of perfect health you suddenly get a chronic condition and go bankrupt *after* accruing a massive hospital bill which will be passed along to the rest of us.

The individual mandate doesn't hurt poor people. States that sabotaged the ACA for political reasons, f'ing over their own citizens in the process, hurt poor people. And they got away with it, so...good for them?

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Hey hasn't the Doomsday Clock moved closer to midnight under Trump?

 

[MacLeod]

All types of Health care coverage have pros and cons. But none of us know what the future will hold.


Sure you might have a decent job and healthcare coverage with that job but can you say that will be the case until the day you retire?

What about if you have children and they are born with a medical condition that they have to live with for the rest of their lives, when they go to get health insurance twenty or so years down the line will they be able to get health insurance or would they run afoul of a pre-existing medical condition and be denied coverage if the insurace comapnies could get away with it?

 

[CorporalCaptain]

What about if you have children and they are born with a medical condition that they have to live with for the rest of their lives, when they go to get health insurance twenty or so years down the line will they be able to get health insurance or would they run afoul of a pre-existing medical condition and be denied coverage if the insurace comapnies could get away with it?

You probably should have prayed harder?*

Spoiler

* - Coming from me, that's sarcasm. However, I don't doubt that there are people out there who actually believe that.

 

[publiusr]

The elephant in the room in your argument is that more people voted for Hillary than for Trump.

It's been about half and half for awhile. Doubtless, had Hillary got the electoral College and Trump the popular vote--he'd be whining about that too.

Hey hasn't the Doomsday Clock moved closer to midnight under Trump?

Now that I don't get. He can't be in bed with Russia and about to strt a war with them too.

Now McCain on the other hand.

If something happens to Trump--you'd get that neo-Con bible thumper Pence--and--trust me--he'd be worse.

Interesting:
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...-for-russia-and-ukraine/ar-AAn74t8?li=BBnb7Kz

 

[fonzob1]

All types of Health care coverage have pros and cons. But none of us know what the future will hold.


Sure you might have a decent job and healthcare coverage with that job but can you say that will be the case until the day you retire?

What about if you have children and they are born with a medical condition that they have to live with for the rest of their lives, when they go to get health insurance twenty or so years down the line will they be able to get health insurance or would they run afoul of a pre-existing medical condition and be denied coverage if the insurace comapnies could get away with it?

Rand Paul's Health Care plan includes pooling of thousands of subscribers that is not employer dependent, and Trump has said repeatedly that he wants to keep mandatory coverage of pre-existing conditions. Where Republicans will meet on all these things remains to be seen as you said though.

 

[suarezguy]

I wonder if the original episodes were at least somewhat inspired by Newt Gingrich, Pete Wilson and/or Ross Perot; Gingrich has been a big supporter of Trump and I would think a lot of people, whether supporters, indifferent or opposed to Trump, would consider him pretty similar to Perot (although opponents would consider him worse or more extreme), ran on a similar platform so it's not surprising if reactions are also similar.

 

[STR]

Hey hasn't the Doomsday Clock moved closer to midnight under Trump?

The Union of Atomic Scientists have moved that clock too much and too often for me to really care. They moved it up a couple years ago due to climate change. As a result the clock stood closer to midnight than it had through most of the Cold War, which is nonsensical.

Trump may be an ignoramus, but he hasn't actually done anything to move us closer to war. Not yet at least. It's like the mirror image of giving Obama a Nobel Prize simply for being elected (and not being George Bush). It's not warranted at this time. It may not ever be warranted.

People are too reactionary to words (pretty or ugly) and too passive to actual actions. /rant

 

[Nyotarules]

It's been about half and half for awhile. Doubtless, had Hillary got the electoral College and Trump the popular vote--he'd be whining about that too.



Now that I don't get. He can't be in bed with Russia and about to strt a war with them too.

Now McCain on the other hand.

If something happens to Trump--you'd get that neo-Con bible thumper Pence--and--trust me--he'd be worse.

Interesting:
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...-for-russia-and-ukraine/ar-AAn74t8?li=BBnb7Kz

He will make 'alternative fact' Trump look like Gandhi. Nothing worse than a right wing, church goer (I don't dignify them with the title 'Christian') running a nation, an American theocracy ala Saudi style is their wet dream.

 

[sidious618]

The current GOP plans are going to make more people die. Obamacare will likely end up staying though

 

[Amaris]

The Union of Atomic Scientists have moved that clock too much and too often for me to really care. They moved it up a couple years ago due to climate change. As a result the clock stood closer to midnight than it had through most of the Cold War, which is nonsensical.

Trump may be an ignoramus, but he hasn't actually done anything to move us closer to war. Not yet at least. It's like the mirror image of giving Obama a Nobel Prize simply for being elected (and not being George Bush). It's not warranted at this time. It may not ever be warranted.

People are too reactionary to words (pretty or ugly) and too passive to actual actions. /rant

Words become actions. Words uncover sentiments long thought dormant, dying, or dead.