Changelings in Change of Heart

[Voth commando1]

The Cardassian turncoat in change of heart states he knows the locations and identities of four(or five) changelings left in the Alpha Quadrant presumably the infiltrators.

What happened to them after the war? Were they discovered or are they still spying?

 

[kkt]

The Cardassian turncoat in change of heart states he knows the locations and identities of four(or five) changelings left in the Alpha Quadrant presumably the infiltrators.

What happened to them after the war? Were they discovered or are they still spying?

The Dominion plays a long game. They're still out there spying. They're reporting back to the Dominion so that when the fleet reaches the Alpha Quadrant in 100 years, they'll be successful.

Sleep well.

 

[Voth commando1]

The Dominion plays a long game. They're still out there spying. They're reporting back to the Dominion so that when the fleet reaches the Alpha Quadrant in 100 years, they'll be successful.

Sleep well.

But with Odo taking charge(explicitly in the novels and implicitly in the last scene in WYLB) wouldn't they be called back?

 

[Bad Thoughts]

Having the disease likely revealed them.

 

[fireproof78]

But with Odo taking charge(explicitly in the novels and implicitly in the last scene in WYLB) wouldn't they be called back?

Maybe. They could block the knowledge from him.

 

[Voth commando1]

The Dominion plays a long game. They're still out there spying. They're reporting back to the Dominion so that when the fleet reaches the Alpha Quadrant in 100 years, they'll be successful.

Sleep well.

Wait did the dominion actually send a fleet 'the long way around"

 

[Timo]

It would cost them nothing extra to do so - as demonstrated by the isolated Alpha Quadrant beachhead force, they can produce ships and soldiers like there was no tomorrow, so sending all they have towards Alpha and then spending two and a half weeks replenishing the Gamma stock would be the sensible thing to do.

Naturally, the "long shot" force would face some problems: none of the original Jem'Hadar would survive the journey, and the Vorta might get too many ideas if there weren't Founders aboard to command the force. And since such a fleet would only be launched after the events of "Sacrifice of Angels", the Link would already be infected and the onboard Founders would soon die.

Still, we have the scary scenario of a fleet consisting of nothing but fanatical eleventh-generation Jem'Hadar on a holy mission to wipe out all the Alpha cultures, without any Vorta or Founders in command and with all the White factory ships under direct Jem'Hadar control, arriving at the Federation's doorstep around 2440-50. Although if their weapons were more or less on par with Alpha ones in the 2370s, they would probably be badly outclassed at that later date.

Difficult to see Odo taking charge of anything, what with him having been party to the genocidal attempt at the Link's life. He'd be pumped for information, then for a confession, and then slowly tortured to death. Also, difficult to see the Dominion subjects even finding out that there had been a war, let alone this resulting in any sort of changes in the Dominion. If the Four remained on Alpha, and came there early enough that they weren't infected with the bioweapon, they would be likely to continue furthering the agenda they had during the war, regardless of whether they could make contact with the Link or not.

Really, we have no idea about the contents of the treaty signed in the finale - would the Founders in Alpha (if they even exist!) remain in contact with Gamma via the wormhole, which supposedly still allows ships and messages through?

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Having the disease likely revealed them.

If they weren't in "contact" with the founders, they wouldn't have the disease.

 

[Leviathan]

If they weren't in "contact" with the founders, they wouldn't have the disease.

...maybe they got it from a spaceport toilet seat.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

If they weren't in "contact" with the founders, they wouldn't have the disease.

Perhaps, although the Great Link was not the only vector. Odo also linked with the changeling who impersonated Leyton

 

[Voth commando1]

Speaking of a long shot force-do we know of anything in between the gamma and alpha parts of the wormhole?

It's seems like 70,000 lyers of unexplored space.

 

[Jedman67]

Speaking of a long shot force-do we know of anything in between the gamma and alpha parts of the wormhole?

It's seems like 70,000 lyers of unexplored space.

"Space is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist, but that's just peanuts to space."
-Douglas Adams

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Perhaps, although the Great Link was not the only vector. Odo also linked with the changeling who impersonated Leyton

Absolutely there were other ways (like the aforementioned toilet seat), but if they were in "deep cover" and didn't link with any other changelings, they would have been spared the disease.

"Space is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist, but that's just peanuts to space."
-Douglas Adams

Not so much anymore, with a Walgreens on damn near every corner.

 

[Jedman67]

Pardon me, that was written in the 60's Should be Starbucks now!

 

[Bad Thoughts]

Absolutely there were other ways (like the aforementioned toilet seat), but if they were in "deep cover" and didn't link with any other changelings, they would have been spared the disease.

Again, perhaps, but what we see of the Founders' mentality suggests that they did not consider linking to be a risk (for health or security), that they were driven to link by instinct, did so when the opportunities arose, and may have done so to build and affirm consensus. There would be a good chance that the Leyton impersonator would have linked with the O'Brien impersonator, assuming they were not one in the same.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

There may have been changeling infiltrators who weren't infected. According to the stardate, Odo was infected late season 4. If the changeling from Homefront was never called home he probably was not infected.

There was probably a term in the treaty that if they surrendered they would be returned home safely but if they were discovered they'd be taken prisoner. They may be staying deep undercover, but it would be to keep tabs on whether the AQ is planning an invasion. Even if the Dominion sent a fleet that will arrive in a hundred years, with no source of white and no hope for support or reinforcements, it'd be very difficult for them to mount any real threat especially if they are not capable of receiving technological upgrades to their weapon systems.

 

[SoullessMinion]

It was my understanding that Odo was infected while on Earth during "Homefront/Paradise Lost" though whether that was before or after he linked with the Leyton-Changeling there's no way to know.

 

[Voth commando1]

I don't seem to recall any mention in DS9 itself of the dominion sending troops via "conventional means" was this ever discussed even hypothetically?

 

[Voth commando1]

It would cost them nothing extra to do so - as demonstrated by the isolated Alpha Quadrant beachhead force, they can produce ships and soldiers like there was no tomorrow, so sending all they have towards Alpha and then spending two and a half weeks replenishing the Gamma stock would be the sensible thing to do.

Naturally, the "long shot" force would face some problems: none of the original Jem'Hadar would survive the journey, and the Vorta might get too many ideas if there weren't Founders aboard to command the force. And since such a fleet would only be launched after the events of "Sacrifice of Angels", the Link would already be infected and the onboard Founders would soon die.

Still, we have the scary scenario of a fleet consisting of nothing but fanatical eleventh-generation Jem'Hadar on a holy mission to wipe out all the Alpha cultures, without any Vorta or Founders in command and with all the White factory ships under direct Jem'Hadar control, arriving at the Federation's doorstep around 2440-50. Although if their weapons were more or less on par with Alpha ones in the 2370s, they would probably be badly outclassed at that later date.

Difficult to see Odo taking charge of anything, what with him having been party to the genocidal attempt at the Link's life. He'd be pumped for information, then for a confession, and then slowly tortured to death. Also, difficult to see the Dominion subjects even finding out that there had been a war, let alone this resulting in any sort of changes in the Dominion. If the Four remained on Alpha, and came there early enough that they weren't infected with the bioweapon, they would be likely to continue furthering the agenda they had during the war, regardless of whether they could make contact with the Link or not.

Really, we have no idea about the contents of the treaty signed in the finale - would the Founders in Alpha (if they even exist!) remain in contact with Gamma via the wormhole, which supposedly still allows ships and messages through?

Timo Saloniemi

I think it's pretty clear even if you don't read the novels Odo is changing the dominion for the better. The Jem'hadar fleet(if it even survived 70 years-infighting, other powers, lack of white) would be technologically outclassed by a mid-25th century alpha quadrant. Not even including the tech Janeway and Voyager brought back.

 

[fireproof78]

Absolutely there were other ways (like the aforementioned toilet seat), but if they were in "deep cover" and didn't link with any other changelings, they would have been spared the disease.
Not so much anymore, with a Walgreens on damn near every corner.

Pardon me, that was written in the 60's Should be Starbucks now!

Soon it will be Rite Aid! Once that merger goes through

I don't seem to recall any mention in DS9 itself of the dominion sending troops via "conventional means" was this ever discussed even hypothetically?

Ira Stephen Behr mentioned it, according to the brief research I did. I couldn't find anything that was mentioned on screen, but the Dominion was aware of the Federation and making plans to address them in the long term. The wormhole just upped the time table.