Is one of these writers called Cheshire Cheese? I've read some of her stories and they are all C/7. I don't read them for that but they are very well written and sometimes humorous.
Was Chakotay/Seven really that bad?
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Yes, indeed. However, the stories I've followed the most are those written by scifiromance. We've PM'd there and bounced story ideas off each other. I've got a wild and crazy crossover in the planning stage for some future NaNoWriMo... (no, I haven't got any stories on that site - yet).
I never had a problem with C/7.
It didn't work for me. As others have mentioned the two actors didn't appear to have much chemistry which hurt their scenes together quite badly. But I also felt the relationship was bordering on creepy. I felt it was riffing on the older-man-and-pretty-young-blonde-girl motif which, while I'm sure exciting to many a middle aged male fan and Paramount executive, I wondered at the time just what sort of message the oh-so-progressive Star Trek was attempting to send out.
I know age is no barrier to love, nor apparently are Borg implants in sensitive areas, but even so.
I know age is no barrier to love, nor apparently are Borg implants in sensitive areas, but even so.
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Thirty is probably the best threshold.
It's weird if a 29 year old dates a 50 year old, but it's fine if a 30 year old dates a 60 year year old.
It's weird if a 29 year old dates a 50 year old, but it's fine if a 30 year old dates a 60 year year old.
I don't know the age difference between Beltran and Ryan but lets say it's fifteen years; that's really immaterial in my view because, as the cliche says, it's just a number. For Chakotay and Seven on a TV show broadcast around the world in the late 1990s the visual imagery of a guy who appears to be in his fifties pairing up with an often vulnerable woman who may have been in her early thirties but was quite youthful looking either way, I think, sends the wrong message.
It was "fine" in the sixties when Kirk nailed just about everything in a skirt but by the nineties Star Trek tried to portray itself as a progressive show and I'm not sure pairings like this back that up.
It was "fine" in the sixties when Kirk nailed just about everything in a skirt but by the nineties Star Trek tried to portray itself as a progressive show and I'm not sure pairings like this back that up.
Jeri Lynn Ryan (born Jeri Lynn Zimmermann; February 22, 1968
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She was assimilated by the Borg in 2356 at age six, along with her parents, but was liberated by the crew of the USS Voyager in 2374.
2378 = 2001.
Jeri was 33 in 2001.
Seven was 28 in 2378.
Seven of Nine is 5 years younger than Jeri Ryan, this might have been explained in Collective, where she admitted to have been in a maturation chamber for 5 years, which is long enough to reach optimum Drone age, whereafter her physical ageing had been arrested when she was actually 11, but looked thirty, since you might have noticed that Drones are immortal.
Although, after The Gift, I think that Seven had become mortal.
The Borg rebuilt her brain surgically.
It may have been cheating, but when they let her out at 11, she was a complete and real adult, and continued to be an adult for the next 13 years until she met Voyager's first officer.
Their relationship is allowed.
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She was assimilated by the Borg in 2356 at age six, along with her parents, but was liberated by the crew of the USS Voyager in 2374.
2378 = 2001.
Jeri was 33 in 2001.
Seven was 28 in 2378.
Seven of Nine is 5 years younger than Jeri Ryan, this might have been explained in Collective, where she admitted to have been in a maturation chamber for 5 years, which is long enough to reach optimum Drone age, whereafter her physical ageing had been arrested when she was actually 11, but looked thirty, since you might have noticed that Drones are immortal.
Although, after The Gift, I think that Seven had become mortal.
The Borg rebuilt her brain surgically.
It may have been cheating, but when they let her out at 11, she was a complete and real adult, and continued to be an adult for the next 13 years until she met Voyager's first officer.
Their relationship is allowed.
The relationship between Seven and Chakotay was a part of her journey to become more human. Like most others I didn’t like it at first because it somehow seemed to come out of nowhere. Looking back now, after all these years, I realize why they tried to pair those two. Seven was this rational drone, pulled out of the collective. Chakotay was emotional and had a better grip on his ‘inner life’. I think the relationship with Chakotay would help her rediscover more of her humanity.
The real life answer is that Beltran was given some meat to choke on, so he would stop being an ass in the DVD commentaries.
In world however, your answer is as good an any other.
In world however, your answer is as good an any other.
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Anyone read the relaunch novels?
SPOILER
In those novels Seven is now in a romantic relationship with the ship's councelor. That is an even odder pairing in my opinion
SPOILER
In those novels Seven is now in a romantic relationship with the ship's councelor. That is an even odder pairing in my opinion
Man or woman?
I know Voyager was produced before ST ENT but even Archer saw the need to get rid of the fraternisation laws. That's one of the first things Janeway should have done, or at least struggle with, you going to be travelling for 70 years and have no nookie in all that time? Ridiculous! In universe they should have considered they would need humanoid replacements in the future.
Rant over
I did not mind C/7, but I like unusual pairings, its realistic. C/Janeway was too obvious, glad they didn't pursue it in canon.
Rant over
I did not mind C/7, but I like unusual pairings, its realistic. C/Janeway was too obvious, glad they didn't pursue it in canon.
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Which rules out politicians, multi-millionaires, pop stars and US Presidents lol
Human life expectancy in the 24th century is triple what it was in the 1960s....
Deforest reached 79 years, but the last we saw McCoy he was 137.
So it's not even doubled?
I'm less impressed.
Life expectancy may have doubled, but youth vanishes at about the same point.
30 years of youth, followed by a 130 years plus of not-youth.
It's dangerous to pick a hot young thing as a lover, in these circumstances, because you don't want to be tied down to someone who is going to go to hell and age poorly for the next 140 years of your twos relationship.
If you are a hot 50 year old you'll look good at 140, but if you are a hot 24 year old, your hypothetical later life hotness is not guaranteed.
Deforest reached 79 years, but the last we saw McCoy he was 137.
So it's not even doubled?
I'm less impressed.
Life expectancy may have doubled, but youth vanishes at about the same point.
30 years of youth, followed by a 130 years plus of not-youth.
It's dangerous to pick a hot young thing as a lover, in these circumstances, because you don't want to be tied down to someone who is going to go to hell and age poorly for the next 140 years of your twos relationship.
If you are a hot 50 year old you'll look good at 140, but if you are a hot 24 year old, your hypothetical later life hotness is not guaranteed.
^ Human life expectancy in the 24th century increases by a factor of 1.4 on average (there are a lot of folks making it to 100 these days).
^They can use nanoprobes or Tuvok's blood to slow down the aging process so a hot 80 year old will look 40 lol. Or after all the humans are dead the other races can run the ship. Tuvok will be just past middle aged.
^They can use nanoprobes or Tuvok's blood to slow down the aging process so a hot 80 year old will look 40 lol. Or after all the humans are dead the other races can run the ship. Tuvok will be just past middle aged.
Why not pair her off with neelix ?
He has a fondness for (emotionally) young girls, and we'd have ourselves a nice 'belle and the beast' subarc...
He has a fondness for (emotionally) young girls, and we'd have ourselves a nice 'belle and the beast' subarc...
They never had a rule about it. We saw plenty of people dating
In my opinion Neelix would make an good partner. He is very caring, kind, compassionate, good with kids, he can cook...all good qualities. Physical appearance is not the most important thing in a relationshipWhy not pair her off with neelix ?
He has a fondness for (emotionally) young girls, and we'd have ourselves a nice 'belle and the beast' subarc...
You don't happen to recall the title of this story? You said it was written under the pen-name Sci-fi-romance, right?
2 of the ones by Cheshire Cheese I like (mostly because they are great ensemble stories) are Photons Be Farced and The Mutiny Home. And @Lynx ,you might like The Mutiny Home since it's a story where Kes stays with the ship.
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