Was Chakotay/Seven really that bad?

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Voyager' started by Sophie74656, Jan 24, 2017.

  1. 2takesfrakes

    2takesfrakes Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2013
    Location:
    California, USA
    Chakotay was never particular about his women, which kind of opened the door to Seven coming into the picture. Despite her not being "all that" and sort of blunt in the way she spoke, her innocent distractions made her appear quite charming, at times.

    Chakotay had better - Kellin, namely - but he also had a lot worse - namely Seska - so Seven was kind of right in the middle, there. And that seemed to suggest, in itself, that she could be some sort of stability for him. What's more - and this is my favourite aspect to the Chakotay/Seven pairing - she acted as a sort of Line of Demarcation, finally severing the last, lingering threads of Chakotay's long-lived infatuation with The Good Captain.

    Look ... I'd have loved it if Chakotay and Janeway - with their "ay"-alike names - would've paired off. But I hated that he held that torch for her, for so long. If he could never really know, if there were no way to ask Kathryn about it, then ... yes ... some barrier, or another, would've made it acceptable. But not when she steadfastly rejected him. It made Chakotay look like a chump ... and I never did like that.
     
  2. Tracy Trek

    Tracy Trek Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2015
    Location:
    Terra, Sol 3
    I felt like it was a possibility starting with Faces.

    I think Sam would have held out for her husband unless he died or moved on (like Janeway's finance did). However if Sam had found herself widowed or divorced, I don't see any reason why Neelix couldn't have been a potential mate for her eventually. He was already her friend.
     
  3. Saul

    Saul Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Dec 27, 2002
    Location:
    東京
    All Star Trek relationships have been bad. Worf/Troi, Chakotay/Seven and yes, Trip/T'pol. Chakotay and Janeway would have been interesting. You can at least understand where the relationship came from and what an effect it would have had on them and the ship.
     
  4. Hugh Cambridge

    Hugh Cambridge Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2011
    Location:
    Arras - France
    Sisko/Yates and Paris/Torres were not so bad, I think
     
    Thomas Eugene likes this.
  5. stardream

    stardream Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2015
    Location:
    in the Time Wave
    The writers decided to get serious with Paris/Torres in the episode Swarm. It started with the opening scene of them in the shuttle.
     
    Thomas Eugene and Sophie74656 like this.
  6. Timewalker

    Timewalker Cat-lovin', Star Trekkin' Time Lady Premium Member

    Joined:
    May 26, 2007
    Location:
    In many different universes, simultaneously.
    I wouldn't say Sarek and Amanda were bad... :p

    But yeah, the main characters never really managed smooth sailing with anyone, it seems. Gotta wonder how long Rom and Leeta lasted, or if she and Moogie inspired the Ferengi equivalent of women's suffrage and recognition as legal persons.
     
  7. Prax

    Prax Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2017
    Location:
    Prax
    How about Geordi and Leah? Remember the finale, where Geordi ended up marrying her and they had children together?
     
  8. Sophie74656

    Sophie74656 Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2016
    Location:
    New Jersey
    Wasn't she married already?
     
  9. Tracy Trek

    Tracy Trek Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2015
    Location:
    Terra, Sol 3
    Trip/T'Pol might not have been a good pairing to some. But how many like me predicted it from the first episode in their first scene together.

    It's just as well Troi didn't stay with Worf. The poor man seemed to have a curse hanging over his head. He lost 2 of his mates to death.

    @Sophie74656 ,Leah Brahams was married to someone when she visited the ship that time. But I suppose we are to assume she divorced him or he died and she ended up with Geordi. Unless they meant another Leah in the finale. But since that was an alternate reality, maybe they didn't end up together anyway.
     
  10. Prax

    Prax Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2017
    Location:
    Prax
    It might be characteristic of Geordi to find a brunette named Leah, and marry her. So it could be a different Leah. What I find funny is that everyone had a grim future in that episode but Geordi.
     
  11. Voth commando1

    Voth commando1 Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2016
    Location:
    In a sub-sub atomic universe with kittens
    Data was an Oxford Don.

    Harry/7 still makes way more sense.
     
  12. Nyotarules

    Nyotarules Vice Admiral Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2016
    Location:
    London
    :People do get divorced
     
  13. Prax

    Prax Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2017
    Location:
    Prax
    Data became a self absorbed twit.

    Harry had a fantasy about her. He didn't want a relationship. The only people we saw 7 falling for was unimatrix dude, and Chakotay.
     
  14. Prax

    Prax Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2017
    Location:
    Prax
    Yes, but not to board the LaForge train.
     
  15. Sophie74656

    Sophie74656 Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2016
    Location:
    New Jersey
    Believe me, I know ;)
     
  16. Nyotarules

    Nyotarules Vice Admiral Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2016
    Location:
    London
    In the ST novels in the USA some people have term marriage contracts maybe Leah Brahm's contract was not renewed so she was free to be Mrs La Forge
     
    Tracy Trek likes this.
  17. Tracy Trek

    Tracy Trek Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2015
    Location:
    Terra, Sol 3
    ^I've read in some of the original series novels about contract marriages. Apparently Kirk was in a contract marriage during the time period between the end of the series and TMP.
     
  18. Catarina

    Catarina Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Sep 29, 2014
    Location:
    Catarina
    I did
     
  19. Sybok Was Wrong

    Sybok Was Wrong Commander Red Shirt

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2015
    Chakotay & Seven made sense because they were stuck in that starship for a long time and weird stuff was inevitable. It's like real life.

    We've all hooked up with people not right for us only because they were around a lot.
     
    Nyotarules likes this.
  20. Ghislaine H. B. BRAEME

    Ghislaine H. B. BRAEME Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2016
    Location:
    Paris (FRANCE)
    Wasn't Samatha Wildman a married woman before embarking aboard Voyager?! (even if we saw her in very rare occasions, I don't think that Sam was the type of person to turn her back to her marital status, just because of the situation (as a mother forced to raise her child alone, while she is stuck on a vessel for an indefinite period) but maybe I'm wrong ... . Things being what they were, it was never indicated to us that Sam and Neelix could be a couple, especially after Kes left the vessel, like for example, Tom teasing Neelix on the existence of a bet pool on the nature of his relationship with Sam, like we know there was about Janeway and Chakotay... .
    No, only a good friendship based on respect, understanding of each other (I'm pretty sure that Sam had to encouraged Neelix to pursue his romantic relationship with Dexa, even if it meant leaving her and Naomie behind in S7) and of course,
    their love for Naomie, as a loving mother (even if we saw them together too rarely) for Sam and as self-proclaimed and offical baby-sitter for Neelix.
    And it was very well like that! :)