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Is episode "Past Tense" an omen of a Donald Trump presidency?

Is episode "Past Tense" an omen of a Donald Trump presidency?


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marsh8472

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BASHIR: What is this place?
SISKO: A Sanctuary District.
BASHIR: Twenty first century history is not one of my strong points. Too depressing.
SISKO: It's been a hobby of mine. They made some ugly mistakes, but they also paved the way for a lot of the things we take now for granted.
BASHIR: I assume this is one of those mistakes.
SISKO: A bad one. By the early twenty twenties there was a place like this in every major city in the United States.
BASHIR: Why are these people in here? Are they criminals?
SISKO: No. People with criminal records weren't allowed in the Sanctuary Districts.
BASHIR: Then what did they do to deserve this?
SISKO: Nothing. They're just people without jobs or places to live.
BASHIR: So they get put in here?
SISKO: Welcome to the twenty first century, Doctor.
...
LEE: Well, in that case, I'm afraid you're going have to stay here in the Sanctuary for the time being.
BASHIR: You mean we can't leave?
LEE: It's for your own safety.
SISKO: Really.
LEE: And it's the law.
SISKO: What about jobs? How are we supposed to find a place to work and somewhere to live if we're stuck in here?
LEE: One of the services we provide is job placement.
SISKO: And how long's that usually take?
LEE: I wish I could give you a definite answer, but jobs are hard to come by right now, what with the economy and all. My advice is to be patient. In the meantime, take these. (cards) They're your ration cards. You can use them to get food and water at any of the distribution points in the district. Hang on to them.
...
BASHIR: Every building we go to, it's the same story. They can't all be full.
SISKO: Don't be so sure. One of the main complaints against the Sanctuary Districts was overcrowding. It got to the point where they didn't care how many people were in here. They just wanted to keep them out of sight.
BASHIR: And once they were out of sight, what then? I mean, look at this man. There's no need for that man to live like that. With the right medication, he could lead a full and normal life.
SISKO: Maybe in our time.
BASHIR: Not just in our time. There are any number of effective treatments for schizophrenia, even in this day and age. They could cure that man now, today, if they gave a damn.
SISKO: It's not that they don't give a damn, Doctor. It's that they've given up. The social problems they face seem too enormous to deal with.
BASHIR: That only makes things worse. Causing people to suffer because you hate them is terrible, but causing people to suffer because you have forgotten how to care? That's really hard to understand.
SISKO: They'll remember. It'll take some time and it won't be easy, but eventually people in this century will remember how to care.
BASHIR: But it makes you wonder, doesn't it? Are humans really any different than Cardassians or Romulans? If push comes to shove, if something disastrous happens to the Federation, if we are frightened enough, or desperate enough, how would we react? Would we stay true to our ideals or would we just stay up here, right back where we started?
SISKO: I don't know. But as a Starfleet officer, it's my job to make sure we never have to find out.
...
BASHIR: Well, at least it's a good picture. You know, Commander, having seen a little of the twenty first century there is one thing I don't understand. How could they have let things get so bad?
SISKO: That's a good question. I wish I had an answer.

According to the star trek timeline by the early 2020's, just after this upcoming presidential term, there is going to be a sanctuary district in every major city. It is a place to lock up the ones, behind a wall, who cannot find jobs during rough economic times. People were not taken care of and there was a lot of civil unrest. It was described as a depressing chapter in Earth history. Could this episode be an omen of the result of a Donald Trump presidency? Will things get as bad as they predicted?
 
To be honest, from my perspective the events in Past Tense look more like the result of Democratic policies playing out. Working from a position of ideology, and the handouts far exceeding the entrepreneurs. But also, I'm sure Canada and Australia would love to have those disenfranchised masses to put to work in their hinterlands.

Now, Make Room! Make Room! strikes me as a more plausible scenario.
 
Trek doesn't really have a great record of predicting the future. The US suffers from a trillion dollar debt count long before a Trump presidency became a dot in anyone's eye, which to my untrained eye is bizarre number that was gonna come back to bite in some configuration or manner in the future. This is one of a thousand possible outcomes of that. .

The sanctuary district is a sincere but woefully inadequate effort to deal with presumably apocalyptic levels of mass unemployment. But it is a sincere and well-meaning effort nevertheless. It's just whatever regime that arranged for the sanctuary district mismanaged it, the regime promptly fell into exhaustion without following it through and of course the concept is ill-convinced itself.
 
It may be some kind of radical democratic solution to an economic problem. Either a democratic state solution or presidential, keeping in mind that Trump has been a democrat before. For the events of "Past Tense" to come true in just a few years would require things to get bad quickly. This would imply that any economic plans that come from a Trump presidency in the next 4 years will not lead to any improvement.
 
As anyone who's ever dealt with the Jobcentre in England knows, it's the present.

Or Centrelink in Australia, who are currently on a drive to weed out people who are 'gaming' the social welfare system by presuming that everybody who is claiming benefits is guilty of that, and sending the debt collectors around. It's now up to individual people to prove their innocence, and innocent people have been sent debt notices for money that they don't actually owe, but the process through which they must go to sort it out is needlessly complicated, exacerbated by the fact that you can't actually sit down with an actual person and explain your situation to them. The entire system is automated. Definitely brings to mind that bit in DS9: "Past Tense" where Sisko asks about how he's supposed to find a job if he's locked up in the sanctuary district. 'Take a number and we'll get back to you. Eventually. Maybe. If the computer doesn't lose you in the queue first.'

Bureaucracy is the enemy of us all.
 
It's not about any one leader, even Trump. It's people as a whole not caring about the disadvantaged, demonizing them, thinking they can't afford to help.
 
I've thought that the world these eps envision could actually transpire for years now- long before Trump even ran.
 
Could this episode be an omen of the result of a Donald Trump presidency?
No, this episode is what would have happen if Trump hadn't been elected.

Which sounds just as ridiculous as the quoted passage.

Not that I can't see some asinine solution to homelessness like this being put into place, but more likely by local city governments, and not the national government.
 
I think to tie it to a Trump agenda is narrow and a bit blind really. The poll as such is very leading, and takes a US-only view so I won't answer.

These stories don't get created in a vacuum. It was happening, it is happening worldwide. Some towns in the UK unemployment is rife, it's just there's not a wall around it. With the increase in robotics, it will get worse.

The idea is that automation will bring costs down. And I could see the world moving much more to self-employed, local services... almost a return to old. People working in their local community, and often for more services industries - everything from dog walking to massage therapists to local food producers.

But for that to work, cost need to come down. Housing needs to be cheap. We're caught in the horrible situation where automation will make loads of jobs obsolete while costs also go up.
 
Despite the reference to DS9, this really is just another political thread. Moving to Misc.
 
Trek doesn't really have a great record of predicting the future. The US suffers from a trillion dollar debt count long before a Trump presidency became a dot in anyone's eye, which to my untrained eye is bizarre number that was gonna come back to bite in some configuration or manner in the future. This is one of a thousand possible outcomes of that. .

That's not how national debt works, at all.

The sanctuary district is a sincere but woefully inadequate effort to deal with presumably apocalyptic levels of mass unemployment. But it is a sincere and well-meaning effort nevertheless. It's just whatever regime that arranged for the sanctuary district mismanaged it, the regime promptly fell into exhaustion without following it through and of course the concept is ill-convinced itself.

Yeah, it seems like an ambitious, well-meaning, but half-baked and under-funded endeavor. I don't recall that we got much of a sense of what life was like for most Americans in that scenario, but the impression is that there's simply a massive job shortage, perhaps due to automation or a generally depressed economy. The wealthy get to maintain their luxuries, while the poor see their options slashed and slashed and slashed until they have no choice but to be ghettoized into Sanctuaries--no doubt an attempt to streamline social welfare programs to make them more efficient, but which conveniently keeps the "human rubbish" away from the eyes of "decent folk."

It's not about any one leader, even Trump. It's people as a whole not caring about the disadvantaged, demonizing them, thinking they can't afford to help.

True.

This thread needs to go.

Nah, I think it's a good opportunity to discuss and educate.
 
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