... It smacks of Velveeta.
B'elanna Torres pairing - Tom or Harry
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He's involved with Voyager's chief engineer
Super spoiler...
In the last book she's pregnant and doesn't know if she's keeping the baby (there are health reasons)
Harry's 40 now? Christ, I guess it is settling then
Although being as Jean-Luc and Beverly had René at like 70 I assumed that longer human life spans also meant that the fertility window is open for longer. Therefore 40 wouldn't be that old to have kids anymore.Her name's Nancy Conlon, she's the new chief of engineering on Voyager. She's pretty cool so far; her and B'Elanna are kind of a terrible twosome.
How is it settling just because he's not in his 20s anymore?
Oh but it was and besides, Tuvok openly recognized his distrust towards Chakotay in front of the interested in the same episode... although he specified to have had the idea of this simulation a little time after the arrival of Chakotay and his friends on board.
Things being what they were, even if the hostility of departure diminished as the seasons went by, Tuvok continued to stay on his guard with ex-Maquis representants (even if he seemed to like B'Elena after a certain time) and Chakotay continued to keep his distances with the Chief of Security.
Now, back to the thread.
I think that writers could have given it a try to B'Elena & Harry Kim, even briefly like on 2 or 3 episodes, where we would have seen them openly flirted together before becoming aware that it would not work but that their friendship was more important and satisfying to them. But again, B'Elena/Tom pairing was ok for me.
No unintended side-effects, but also no more similarity in attitude, personality, or even appearance between the cloned pet and the original than you would find between two from the same litter. (The fact that appearance differs tends to shock people, but fur coloration and pattern isn't genetic, it's epigenetic.)
Edit: Ah, I was wrong about that, on further research. For one, I forgot the well-known problem that cloned animals tend to have shorter lifespans due to shortened telomeres, though pet cloning usually gets around that by harvesting DNA at a young age rather than near death. But beyond that, while pet cloning hasn't really existed long enough on a broad scale to make general claims, there are signs that cloned pigs tend to have health issues not found in the originals, including a higher tendency towards respiratory diseases or high blood pressure.
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If you cloned someone you would not get the same personality, no more than identicle twins have the same personality
I think they came close to a flirtation in Perfect Son (I think that's the name) when he's in sickbay and he is so upset that it was his fault that B'Elanna got hurt, and then she called him "spot".
1. Fertility window, that apparently is open for another 30 years longer for them in star trek land than in the real world.
2. Life expectancy, which is more than doubled for Harry compared to us lot. Vitality is also a problem, since from how their healthcare works, they do not preserve youth, you just keep getting older at the normal rate but don't die.
3. Choice. The prospective mates that want to marry/couple have coupled/married well before 40, so most of the potential partners (your own age) are occupied but Harry might end up with a widow/er or a divorcee, or an alien that operates under different societal norms... Or he could be dating someone 14 years younger than him and has to cope with grating culture shock everytime they talk with their clothes on.
4. Judginess/pickiness. Harry has been saying "NO" to women for over 20 years, and he's alone. A comparatively identical (on paper, personality and shit, not a clone.) woman who's doppelgänger was eliminated from consideration 5 years ago because she sleeps with her socks on, or chews with her mouth open, or eats her own boogers in public, might now be acceptable because his pillow has filed a restraining order. What was once a deal breaker, can after years of faithful application, not be so important anymore, compared to intense never ending loneliness, which is another way of saying "settling".
5. Diminishing Harry. As his hair thins, and his belly expands, and all his conversations begin with the phrase, "when I was young" Harry has to accept that as he brings less to the table, so he has to look for partners who also have smaller tables in their also aged decrepit diminished states of endstage life.
5. Harry has no game. It's delusional to think that Harry can talk a disinterested wo/man around into giving him a first chance when he is a putz. Harry's only ability to get a wo/man is to find one that wants to use him (like an enemy spy who needs information, or a salt vampire who wants to eat him) or already likes him before he gets an opportunity to make an awful first impression.
6. Fighting in his own weight class. Harry is always charging after unobtainable wo/men because he is a glutton for punishment, or more probably rejection gets him hard. Settling in this case would be choosing not to go after wo/men who have expressed extreme disinterest in him who cannot be satisfied by anything less than a real alphaman like Riker, and try to find maybe close to the polar opposite of that.
7. Acceptance. If he's not getting what he wants by doing his best, then his best is most probably laterally wrong. After 25 years of looking for a soulmate, it's time to scrap the existing game plan, go back to the drawing board, and build a better mouse trap... Or try to catch smaller less astonishing mice.
8. Readymade love. Harry has been looking for a woman that he is already in love with before he meets her, and she is already in love with him, before she meets him. That only happens with crazy people. Actually accepting to go on a series of dates with a wo/man he did not instantly fall for would be settling for Harry, even though it's how normal people operate. "Like" takes time, and "love" takes almost weeks. Harry has never had the patience to look under the surface of the wo/men cooing around him to see if they were secretly and unwittingly his ideal love connection.
9. Older wo/men. There is nothing bizarre about dating a wo/man a little older than you, but 50 is the grandparent barrier, it's also where you can't lie to yourself any more that you are dating someone older than your parents when they had you. After you turn 40, 50 year olds start looking good, which feels wrong, because you yourself can't be old enough to date your own grand parent? I wouldn't say it's settling for 40 plus year old Harry to start appreciating women over 50, since these are the same hot wo/men who were 40 when he was 30, but it's certainly a big step, as he has to admit FINALLY that he's not a child anymore.
10. Nancy Conlon is an anagram for Cylon Cannon. She's a frakking toaster! DON'T TRUST HER HARRY! SHE IS GOING TO STEAL THE ALL THE PREFIX CODES AND DESTROY THE FLEET!!!! Seriously? harry should not be allowed to chose his own girlfriends. He's just so bad at it.
(I am over 40 too. Don't take it so personal.)
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I'm in my 30s...not taking anything personally
I just called you 40.
You're allowed to punch me.
You're allowed to punch me.
LOL, no big deal
I don't want to derail this thread further, this subject needs its own thread, perhaps. But cloning is an imperfect system, there's no doubt of that. It never did apply to Harry Kim, per se, but he had his DNA skewed in "Favourite Son" to encourage him to want to spend the remainder of his Earthly Existence on The Planet of Women ... and take multiple wives. The side effects were some spots on his brow and the powers of premonition, neither of which he kept after this episode. But here was a real opportunity to take Harry's chromosomes ... his genetic structure ... reshuffle them, a little, in a way that might be considered permanent and productive. These women could've made him a more Manly sort and delivered a new & improved Harry Kim for The Ages ... indeed, for the remainder of VOY's run. Alas, this was not to be ... a missed opportunity, amongst many.
Remember in the pilot, when he was filled up with Caretaker jizim?
To carry the baby, Caretaker probably ramped up his Estrogen levels to 11, and maybe the Doctor never got around to fixing them?
Quicksilver Harries from Demon and Course oblivion.
Also Harry and Naomi (or the rest of the crew) were replaced with a copy during Deadlock.
Hardass timeless Harry from the future, that "letter" he sent back to his younger self, amounted to what an asshole he thought that he used to be.
Harry was also replaced with a copy in Non Sequitor, since it is highly unlikely that he returned to completely and exactly the same universe he started out from.
Did one of the supercriminals play a bolder version of Harry in Live fast and Prosper?
He also probably got interesting brain damage during The Chute and Scorpion.
Hmmm?
Was Kes sabotaging his relationships to keep Andrew alive?
To carry the baby, Caretaker probably ramped up his Estrogen levels to 11, and maybe the Doctor never got around to fixing them?
Quicksilver Harries from Demon and Course oblivion.
Also Harry and Naomi (or the rest of the crew) were replaced with a copy during Deadlock.
Hardass timeless Harry from the future, that "letter" he sent back to his younger self, amounted to what an asshole he thought that he used to be.
Harry was also replaced with a copy in Non Sequitor, since it is highly unlikely that he returned to completely and exactly the same universe he started out from.
Did one of the supercriminals play a bolder version of Harry in Live fast and Prosper?
He also probably got interesting brain damage during The Chute and Scorpion.
Hmmm?
Was Kes sabotaging his relationships to keep Andrew alive?
There was something wrong Andrew. I can't put my finger on it. He was like the token nerd of the token nerds, this kid. Harry Kim wasn't exactly the best crew member to sample genetic material from, in the first instance. I refuse to accept that Tom would've ever been cool with Harry becoming involved in any kind of romantic relationship with Linnis.
Someone on an earlier thread had suggested that Andrew was artificially inseminated and it's an improvement, slightly, over the alternative but ... why did they have to crap on a Kes episode, like that, for? I mean ... sure! Hey ... let's squick the audience, here ... why not? It's one thing to try to want to take chances and to break barriers and so forth. People can and do understand that. But this ...
Someone on an earlier thread had suggested that Andrew was artificially inseminated and it's an improvement, slightly, over the alternative but ... why did they have to crap on a Kes episode, like that, for? I mean ... sure! Hey ... let's squick the audience, here ... why not? It's one thing to try to want to take chances and to break barriers and so forth. People can and do understand that. But this ...
I don't think there's anything wrong with Harry....but yeah sleeping with your best friend's daughter is a little weird
If he had courted her properly . . . I don't see any problems.
Only Harry and Naomi.
All this time I thought I was the only one thinking there's something there and, not sure if they count as cannon, in one of the books there's a series of hints that the possibility of Harry/B'Ellana existed somewhere beyond my head.
B'Ellana needed someone to mellow her out and Harry needed someone to teach him to be a tad more aggressive, so I do think they'd balance each other out, better than Tom/B'Elanna do.
B'Ellana needed someone to mellow her out and Harry needed someone to teach him to be a tad more aggressive, so I do think they'd balance each other out, better than Tom/B'Elanna do.
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