Bad example. Wingreen's lines were redubbed.
Star Wars Rebels Season Three (spoilers)
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I know that, obviously, and the fact that the two different versions were presented as the same actual events just reinforces my point -- that it's enough just to accept that a fictional account can vary in the way it's presented, and that said variation does not necessarily represent a "real" variation in-story.
After all, these are supposedly humanlike aliens in a distant galaxy. There is no England or New Zealand or America there. Presumably the accents, and even the use of English, is an interpretation for the audience's benefit and not something to be taken literally. So if different actors use different accents, that's just a difference of interpretation rather than part of the underlying reality.
After all, the accent isn't the only change between the animated and live-action versions of Saw Gerrera -- the Clone Wars version had blue eyes (EDIT: I meant green eyes), while Forest Whitaker's version has brown eyes. Do we need to concoct some shaggy-dog story to explain the change in eye color, or can we just accept that the animated version was one artistic interpretation of the character and the actor portrayal in live action is another?
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Entertainment Weekly has a clip and featurette about Saw Gerrera's appearance on the show:
http://ew.com/movies/2016/12/20/rogue-one-saw-gerrera-star-wars-rebels/
Forest Whitaker is doing the voice.
http://ew.com/movies/2016/12/20/rogue-one-saw-gerrera-star-wars-rebels/
Forest Whitaker is doing the voice.
As promised, I am suitably astonished.
Hey, cool to see Rex will be involved in this story, as he did meet Saw back in Clone Wars.
Rebels and Rogue One Spoilers
Filoni has confirmed that the General Syndulla mentioned over the intercom is indeed Hera. Her promotion and the battle of Scarif may show up in a future episode, but it isn't a for sure thing, Dave is just brainstorming now
http://ew.com/movies/rogue-one-rebels-references/rogue-one-and-rebels/
http://ew.com/movies/rogue-one-rebels-references/rogue-one-and-rebels/
Well, stop feelin' 'em.
I had and still have no interest in seeing Rogue One, but had to look into it a little last night after finding out the three SW: R inclusions in the film: reportedly the Ghost, of course the aforementioned Hera, and Chopper is clearly seen for one second or so during a scene on a planet.
I looked into it because clearly I'll need a little knowledge about what was happening, when this eventual tie-in episode/arc/two-hour special (whatever it turns out to be) airs.
Based on what I learned, I have three speculations (big spoilers head for RO):
If Chopper can pass by a main RO character and the Ghost and Hera have nothing to apparently do with RO, it appears the Ghost crew are merely there for support of the Rebels and are taking a back seat, though I'm sure they'll have their own little important story.
Vader just happens to be waiting in the dark in that very coincidental hall for the rebels? Vader must have been up to more than we saw on-screen; possibly some confrontationm between Vader and one or more of the Ghost crew, that will likely end up with somebody dead, as per Vader's killing spree in RO, may be ahead.
Based on Chopper being down there and doing something else, something else is clearly happening on that planet that is unrelated to what the RO crew are doing.
Unfortunately, this creates some lost story-telling surprise for SW: R: Now we know:
* Chopper isn't going to get destroyed or lost. So any more threats to him for some baddie, will be totally empty.
* Hera lives, so we know any future threat to her is totally empty.
* The Ghost isn't going to get blown up any time soon, so any potential threat to the Ghost is empty, though I can't rule out it being stolen.
* The rebel fleet is going to suffer loses, so this unfortunately means more of these meandering episodes where an entire episode is spent trying to get a ship or more ships, etc. It was nice early on in Rebels when it established the effort being put in and what was happening, but it'll just be needlessly redundant in the future.
* I guess Admiral Thrawn will be leaving the picture sooner than later, unless he manages to be important during the RO events, yet not seen or referenced, which I don't buy. He's canon now, and a big friggin' deal in what he has accomplished (off screen in the books).
Vader wasn't waiting there, he came in after the power went out, he probably was the one who caused or ordered the power to be cut. Or it was just from battle damage
Rebels is still 2 years before Rogue One, so I doubt we'll see any ship finding episodes in the near future
Thrawn is probably out somewhere else, Scarif was taken by surprise there were only 2 Star Destroyers at the battle. It was over pretty quickly
Rebels is still 2 years before Rogue One, so I doubt we'll see any ship finding episodes in the near future
Thrawn is probably out somewhere else, Scarif was taken by surprise there were only 2 Star Destroyers at the battle. It was over pretty quickly
Probably worth seeing the film once at some point if nothing else because it is a good war film set in the Star Wars universe.
As for it tying into Rebels, there are more than what is mentioned above, but they are more background information type things that will probably become more clear as the seasons of Rebels continue.
As for things being "needlessly redundant" there are still a few years between present day Rebels and Rogue One, so there are any number of adventures and plots against the Empire for the Ghost. Phoenix Group, and the future Rebel Alliance before they encounter the Death Star over Yavin. So every ship the Rebels get will likely serve a purpose in those years.
I expect the Quasar Fire-class ship to be a casualty fighting Thrawn. I also suspect other Rebel starships will arrive for the battle over Lothal late this season, perhaps as the final nail in the coffin that sparks the absolute need for the Rebel cells to merge into the Rebel Alliance under Mon Mothma and Bail Organa. Because we know that Thrawn is plotting out a larger trap for the Rebels and wants to destroy a larger force of Rebel ships than what Phoenix Group has with them. So it is likely one of the other cells (likely Dodonna's) will provide X-wings, the captured Y-wings, and some more capital ships to engage at Lothal, probably as part of the season finale arc. Saw might even be part of that attack, but his extremism is part of what has him turn away from the Alliance (or get kicked out). Funny in a way since he is partly trained to be a rebel by Anakin Skywalker, Rex, and Ashoka Tano.
Also someone told me they saw a TIE Defender in Rogue One. Not sure where, but that would not be another connection to Rebels since we see them in Rebels first in the timeline.
As for it tying into Rebels, there are more than what is mentioned above, but they are more background information type things that will probably become more clear as the seasons of Rebels continue.
As for things being "needlessly redundant" there are still a few years between present day Rebels and Rogue One, so there are any number of adventures and plots against the Empire for the Ghost. Phoenix Group, and the future Rebel Alliance before they encounter the Death Star over Yavin. So every ship the Rebels get will likely serve a purpose in those years.
I expect the Quasar Fire-class ship to be a casualty fighting Thrawn. I also suspect other Rebel starships will arrive for the battle over Lothal late this season, perhaps as the final nail in the coffin that sparks the absolute need for the Rebel cells to merge into the Rebel Alliance under Mon Mothma and Bail Organa. Because we know that Thrawn is plotting out a larger trap for the Rebels and wants to destroy a larger force of Rebel ships than what Phoenix Group has with them. So it is likely one of the other cells (likely Dodonna's) will provide X-wings, the captured Y-wings, and some more capital ships to engage at Lothal, probably as part of the season finale arc. Saw might even be part of that attack, but his extremism is part of what has him turn away from the Alliance (or get kicked out). Funny in a way since he is partly trained to be a rebel by Anakin Skywalker, Rex, and Ashoka Tano.
Also someone told me they saw a TIE Defender in Rogue One. Not sure where, but that would not be another connection to Rebels since we see them in Rebels first in the timeline.
Well, just watch Rogue One.
I very much doubt it. All I saw were standard TIEs, a few bombers (that may have actually been the shuttle/boarding craft variant come to think of it.) The only "new" ones were the TIE Strikers plus the dropship type thing the Death Troopers were riding in, which seemed to have the same over-slung panels as the Striker. I don't think I even saw any TIE Interceptors.
Also, from a plot PoV it's stated in Rebels that if the Empire starts producing those things the Rebellion is pretty much done for since "better fighters" is pretty much their only military advantage. So it's reasonable to assume that project is going to be turned into a smoking crater if at all possible.
So the Ghost isn't going to be destroyed, and Hera and Chopper won't get killed. This destroys drama, despite the fact the fates of Kanan, Ezra, Sabine, and Zeb are still unknown? And besides, Clone Wars lasted for six seasons and the audience knew how the war ended, and that nearly every main character except Ahsoka and Rex had to make it to the end. And that's considered one of the more popular entries in the franchise.
Just because we saw *a* Chopper type droid and *a* Ghost class ship doesn't mean it was the Rebels ones. And "General Syndulla" could have been Cham. I think it's pretty clever; we still have no idea if these characters will survive the series, but if they do, then they were there in Rogue One.
Technically true except I think Filloni has since confirmed that all is as it appears at face value. They can always change their mind of course. Always in motion is the future.
Exactly.
I've never bought the argument that drama depends on not knowing if characters will live or die. In most series fiction, you know the characters are going to survive because that's the way series fiction works. Nobody watching Star Trek in the '60s ever had any realistic expectation that Kirk or Spock would die; they knew they'd survive and be back the next week. Nobody watching The Rockford Files or MacGyver believed for a second that the person the show is named after would die while the show was still on. But they chose to suspend disbelief and buy into the characters' uncertainty about their survival. Because that's what stories are actually about -- not cold, dry tallies, but characters and emotions. As long as the characters fear that they might not make it, then the audience can feel that suspense along with them. Sure, you know objectively that they won't die, but you also know objectively that they don't exist in the first place. The only reason you care at all is because you're able to set that knowledge aside and pretend.
Besides, there are many sources of dramatic tension and suspense other than life and death. I hate it when people assume that's the one and only thing that matters -- it's so reductionistic. Stories are about characters pursuing goals and facing obstacles. Any failure to achieve a goal is dramatic, whether it's through dying or failing to save someone else's life or failing to obtain something you need or failing at love or losing a friendship or even letting yourself down.
Except Dave Filoni confirmed in the interview that, yes, they absolutely are the Ghost, Hera, and Chopper, and that Rebels might eventually show the events of Rogue One from their POV if the show lasts long enough.
Don't think so. Probably got confused with the new TIE Strikers. From certain angles they also look like TIE Phantoms as well.