• Welcome! The TrekBBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans.
    If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

MeTV's SuperSci-Fi Saturday Night

This week, on The Incredible Hulk:

"Homecoming"
Originally aired November 30, 1979
While visiting his family for Thanksgiving, David works to salvage the family farm from a plague and a crooked developer while also trying to resolve the bitterness between himself and his father.


Events in the news in the weeks since the previous episode:
November 12
  • Iran hostage crisis: In response to the hostage situation in Tehran, U.S. President Jimmy Carter orders a halt to all oil imports into the United States from Iran.
  • Süleyman Demirel, of the Justice Party (AP) forms the new government of Turkey (43rd government, a minority government).
November 14 – Iran hostage crisis: U.S. President Jimmy Carter issues Executive Order 12170, freezing all Iranian assets in the United States and U.S. banks in response to the hostage crisis.
November 15 – British art historian and former Surveyor of the Queen's Pictures Anthony Blunt's role as the "fourth man" of the 'Cambridge Five' double agents for the Soviet NKVD during World War II is revealed by Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher in the House of Commons of the United Kingdom; she gives further details on November 21.
November 16 – Bucharest Metro Line One is opened, in Bucharest, Romania (from Timpuri Noi to Semanatoarea stations, 8.63 km).
November 17 – Iran hostage crisis: Iranian leader Ruhollah Khomeini orders the release of 13 female and African American hostages being held at the U.S. Embassy in Tehran.
November 20 – Grand Mosque seizure: A group of 200 Juhayman al-Otaybi militants occupy Mecca's Masjid al-Haram, the holiest place in Islam. They are driven out by French commandos (allowed into the city under these special circumstances despite their being non-Muslims) after bloody fighting that leaves 250 people dead and 600 wounded.
November 21 – After false radio reports from the Ayatollah Khomeini that the Americans had occupied the Grand Mosque in Mecca, the United States Embassy in Islamabad, Pakistan is attacked by a mob and set afire, killing 4, and disturbing Pakistan–United States relations.
November 23 – In Dublin, Ireland, Provisional Irish Republican Army member Thomas McMahon is sentenced to life in prison for the assassination of Lord Mountbatten of Burma.
November 25 – Last cargo of phosphate shipped from Banaba Island.
November 28 – Air New Zealand Flight 901: an Air New Zealand DC-10 crashes into Mount Erebus in Antarctica on a sightseeing trip, killing all 257 people on board.


New on the U.S. charts in those weeks:

"Don't Do Me Like That," Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers
To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.
(#10 US; Now that's his first Top 10 hit, but he's not the guy I was hinting about last week--keep going....)

"Coward of the County," Kenny Rogers
To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.
(#3 US; #5 AC; #1 Country; #1 UK)

"Yes, I'm Ready," Teri DeSario with K.C.
To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.
(#2 US; #1 AC; #20 R&B)

"Message in a Bottle," The Police
To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.
(#74 US; #1 UK)

"I Wanna Be Your Lover," Prince
To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.
(#11 US; #2 Dance; #1 R&B; #41 UK; I've got a feeling that kid's gonna go places in the '80s.... :p )
 
Last edited:
"Don't Do Me Like That," Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers
Ah, there we go. That's music. :rommie:

"Coward of the County," Kenny Rogers
What's that I see on the horizon? Oh, yeah, the Reagan Era.

"Yes, I'm Ready," Teri DeSario with K.C.
Ow. :(

"Message in a Bottle," The Police
Hey, these guys aren't so bad after all. :D

"I Wanna Be Your Lover," Prince
Well, this will probably earn me another trip to the airlock, but I never liked Prince at all. Used to drive my best friend (who was very into music and eventually became quite a success as a producer and consultant) crazy. I do admit that I now have a nostalgic fondness for a couple of his later songs, like "Little Red Corvette" and "Raspberry Berry," because they sound so 80s.
 
Ah, there we go. That's music. :rommie:
Wilbury to the rescue!

What's that I see on the horizon? Oh, yeah, the Reagan Era.
Not quite getting the connection there.

Well, this will probably earn me another trip to the airlock, but I never liked Prince at all.
Love him or hate him, it's a novelty just see him at this point...or is that early hit better remembered / less obscure than I thought?
 
I'm not interested in whether fan rationalizations can be concocted after the fact, because they always can. I'm addressing the quality of the creative process, and it's poor writing to have no explanation for the loss of contact and no onscreen followup of Jerry's defiance of orders. It's a failure of story structure to have setup and no payoff. It could be that a scene was written and shot but cut out in editing, but that's still a weakness in the final episode.

You seem to be taking this all way too seriously - and I promise you, that's more seriously than anyone at Irwin Allen's productions ever did. This was the 1960s. It was disposable entertainment. The writers threw stuff in there that was supposed to be seen once (maybe twice) and never again. Cast members were let go with the hopes that no one would notice.

To try to fit any of that into modern-day storytelling reveals the flaws inherent in those old shows. They were made to be fun, exciting, and entertaining, nothing more. And Irwin Allen was as cheap as the day is long. He had networks breathing down his neck about budgets and he knew how to recycle props, footage, actors, writers, and effects to save a dime here and a dime there.

If fans need to interpolate events to justify things in their own minds, it's not a crime. It's just television.
 
You seem to be taking this all way too seriously - and I promise you, that's more seriously than anyone at Irwin Allen's productions ever did.

I don't get why people always say "You're taking this too seriously" whenever anyone has an opinion they disagree with. What does that even mean? People don't have to be serious about something in order to analyze it and generate a discussion about it. Lots of people can go into great depth analyzing things that they don't take seriously at all, just because it's entertaining and gives them something to have conversations about. Discussing old TV shows is what we're here to do in the first place, so how can it be wrong to come up with something to discuss? That's not seriousness, it's just participating in what's supposed to be a recreational conversation.


To try to fit any of that into modern-day storytelling reveals the flaws inherent in those old shows. They were made to be fun, exciting, and entertaining, nothing more.

It's got nothing to do with when the shows were made. Even by the standards of their time, Irwin Allen shows were lowbrow and trashy. There were plenty of far classier, smarter shows in the era -- just as there are plenty of lowbrow, trashy shows still being made today.


If fans need to interpolate events to justify things in their own minds, it's not a crime. It's just television.

I never said it was a crime. I just wasn't talking about that aspect of it. I was evaluating the episode itself (which is not a "crime" either, by the way). What people extrapolate after the fact is a different topic.
 
I don't get why people always say "You're taking this too seriously" whenever anyone has an opinion they disagree with. What does that even mean? People don't have to be serious about something in order to analyze it and generate a discussion about it.

Agreed. I can split hairs with the best of them--and enjoy doing so. ;)
 
Some songs got so much play in the 80s on MTV that I don't realize their actual vintage.
Going on very vague memory here, but I probably didn't even hear that one on the radio until '80 or '81, at which point The Police had a couple of Top 10 hits under their belt.
 
"Homecoming"--

Denver, Colorado--two weeks before Thanksgiving. In his motel room, the recently fired* David learns that Dean Eckert--president of the Eckert Development Corporation--is buying up farmland in the Trevorton area of Grail Valley as part of his "model city" expansion. This alarms David--originally from his family's farm in that city. David's mind wanders back to being a small child, helping his ailing mother, a memory broken by the sight of his sister--Dr. Helen Banner--interviewed about the Eckert buyouts. The sight of his sister--memories of their trust in each other during childhood--drives Banner to take the take a bus to Trevorton. When he arrives in the town square, he is struck by more memories of spending time with his mother--specifically her reading from Byron's prophetic poem, When We Two Parted...

At the Banner farm, David's father--D.W. Banner (head of the local farmer's association) is perplexed that the insecticide is not killing the destructive Spear Beetles; just then, Eckert calls, trying to convince D.W. to be cooperative and sell, but the proud, headstrong D.W. flatly rejects any offer.

Later, David walks up to Helen's house, almost turning to leave when he spotted by his sister stopping her cold with disbelief, then joy as she embraces her "dead" brother.

Helen:"Let's go tell dad."
David: "No, Helen, no."
Helen: "But you've got to forgive him--"
David: "No, it isn't that--"
Helen: "David, please--don't put me between you two again."
David: "Look Helen, I'm sorry. I-I shouldn't have come here. I'm sorry to have dragged you into all of this."
Helen: "Why? I don't understand."
David: "I have an illness...from radiation, and that's all I can tell you until I'm cured."
Helen: "...we're your family."
David: "I shouldn't have come here. I'm so sorry to drag you into this, but I must ask you to promise me you'll not say a word to anybody."
Helen: "No, I won't promise you anything! You spring up from the dead after three years, and give us nothing! We've always done that! You can't just drop in and out of our lives!"
David: "You don't understand--"
Helen: "Why did you bother to come back here?!?"
David: "...I uh....couldn't spend another Thanksgiving alone."
Helen: "...David...."

Helen enlists David in solving the farm's issues with Spear Beetles which threaten nearly 70% of the Grail Valley farmers' collective crops--the effects would force D.W. to sell the farm. Helen believes they need a biological weapon to combat the beetles. David resists, arguing there's too many townsfolk who would recognize him, but Helen offers him a shelter in her lab. He agrees--only if she promises to never press him on his issues, need for anonymity, or if he has to leave without notice.

On the job--

David: "I have been trying to synthesize the beetle's pheromone into the mating scent, and if it works, I think it will lure the male beetles away and break the chain of reproduction."

The initial experiments fail. Lost in thought, David walks to the family grave, placing a flower at his mother's headstone. He recalls his mother's illness--how his father was resistant to taking her to the doctor, instead, being concerned with fixing a fence. Always supportive of her son, Elizabeth encourages her son by telling him once he became a doctor, he would be able to cure everything....in the present, David sadly replies,

David: "Not everything, mom."

David finds an earth worm, and imagining his alter-ego, he thinks of the process of a metamorphosis--a clue, but is scared off by his father coming to place flowers at Elizabeth's grave.

Later, David takes his idea to Helen--

David: "I think that we may have it. Now as you said before, it is only the newly hatched worms--the larvae--which cause the destruction, not the beetles that they turn into. Now, if we could simulate an anti-juvenile hormone, which causes the worms to mature, then we can make them metamorphosize prematurely and you would have a field full of harmless beetles...no worms."

David feels the plan will be successful--under a tight spay schedule. Helen will not let go of the idea of David staying--

David: "You came into this knowing I was going to have to leave."
Helen: "I know...I'll just have to think up some..pestilence to keep you here."

That evening, Helen checks in on David--only to see him suffering from a nightmare (about the day his mother died--how he blamed his father--the "Married" clip of David chasing...), when he suddenly rises--transforming into the Hulk. Even in her astonishment, Helen tried to speak to the "David" within, and creature seems to respond, until he sees a framed photo of his father, which send him into a brief rage. Looking at his sister again, the Hulk runs to his father's home, flipping a hay trailer over in confused anger, then tears off to nearby hills--capturing the attention of D.W., now chasing after him with a shotgun. Helen guesses the Hulk ran to a spot she and David shared (in times of trouble) as children. She finds him--now transformed back to David...just as D.W. finds them (not connecting David to the Hulk)--staring at the son he thought was long dead...

D.W. owns up to his contentious relationship with his son, and both agree to put the past behind them. David also insists none of the old family friends know he's there; D.W. asks to know the reason why, but David cannot bring himself to tell the truth.

At Eckart's office, it turns out D.W. pilot is on the take, telling Eckart about Helen "and some geneticist" working on a treatment for the beetle larvae, but his assistant assures Eckart the experiment--and Helen's lab--will not reach the point of success.

Eckart: "Talk to out chemist. Make it look good. A chemical fire."

At Helen's lab, David cleans up the Hulk's mess, his mind wandering back to the day he left for college, when his father asked him to go to an agricultural college, stressing the long history of Banner family being on the farm...and young David's bitter pushback--

Young David: "You've done a good job with Helen. You'll get what you want."
D.W.: "It's not the same thing! Sooner or later, you're going to realize the good here---you'll wanna come back, but you won't have the background! an M.D. is no use on a farm."
Young David: "No?? We could have used on the day mom died! She might've lived..given you another son. One to carry on the Banner tradition!"
D.W.: "You go to any school you want, David....you can go to Hell for all I care!!"

In the present, David acknowledges he was wrong in the past, feeling he should repair the relationship. That evening, as David rests, Eckart's henchman sneaks into the lab, pouring chemicals intended to cause a fire, but David catches him, and in the struggle, Banner is knocked out by a violent push to the floor. The next morning, the Banners agree to take no action against Eckart--other than preparing the spray.

Meanwhile, Eckart's entomologist works on a plan to neutralize the hormone in the Banner's formula--effectively allowing the larvae to develop as normal--once again, D.W.'s crops will eventually be destroyed. Eckart instructs Howston (the turncoat pilot) to use the entomologist's altered spray; Howston is initially hesitant, noting his lifelong relationship with D.W., but a job offer and $4000 wipes away any guilty feelings. After Howston leaves, Eckart--wanting a guarantee for success--orders his henchman to sabotage Howston's crop duster, so both the pilot and D.W. die.

On the day of the crop dusting, David & D.W. head to the airstrip, but D.W. continues to bristle at David's secrecy--the reasons he will need to leave--

D.W.:"Secrets! Always secrets--you never let me be part of your life!"
David: "You never wanted to be part of my life, you wanted me to be part of yours, and I couldn't do that!"
D.W.:"You turned your back on me!"
David: "You left me no choice!"
D.W.:"Now? What choice do you need now?"
David: "Believe me, its different now."
D.W.:"Not from where I'm sitting. You abandoned me on the farm when you were eighteen, and you're still doing it!"
David: "Always the farm. The farm could never be part of my life."
D.W.:"It could have been--except you were making me pay for your mother's death! You still are!"
David: "Dad, I'm not doing that anymore."
D.W.:"Can you prove that with more than words?"
David: "No."
D.W.: "Well, I bore that cross long enough. I won't do it any longer. Not even for you, David. Maybe it was better when you were gone."
David: "Dad.....Dad!"

David inspects the underside of the plane, and spots the sabotage to the wing--as well as the new chemical, but is knocked out and hidden behind an oil drum by Eckart's henchman. D.W. & Howston take off, with a revived David racing after the plane in a panic. A moment after grabbing the wing, David transforms into the Hulk...in front of D.W.'s eyes. Howston loses control of the damaged plane, but the Hulk pulls the torn wing into place, granting Howston some measure of control--enough to land. D.W. and the Hulk move behind a bush, with the father asking David to leave before he's seen; the Hulk shakes "no" with his head, forcing D.W. to forcefully demand the creature leaves. With that, the Hulk grabs his head in frustration, shedding tears before touching his father's face, and running away.

On Thanksgiving day, Jack McGee is at the Banner home, questioning Helen as she sets the table for dinner--

Helen: "All these questions. I'm sorry, Mr. McGee, but dinner's getting cold."
McGee: "Uh, yeah, doctor Banner, I can't accept the Hulk's appearance in Trevorton as just a coincidence. That creature was seen in your brother's laboratory the night that he...died!"
Helen: "My brother never talked to us about his work.

At a side door, D.W. hands David his travel bag....

Helen: "Tell me Mr. McGee, what paper did you say you write for?"
McGee: "Uh..The National Register."
Helen: "Ah, that's right. I imagine its fun--I mean working for the register. You don't have to bother with..what shall I say..the drudgery of serious journalism?"
McGee: "Heh--that's not entirely true."
Helen: "Really? I thought you only did articles on movie stars and miracle diets--"
McGee: "Ah..whatever we write about, we consider our journalistic standards to be very high."
Helen: "Of course, I'm sure you do. Tell me, how did you wind up becoming a reporter in the first place?"

Outside, the reconciled David & D.W. embrace. David runs away through the countryside..

McGee: "You know, doctor Banner..about the Hulk..."
Helen: "Be my guest. I'll help you in any way.."
McGee: "I'm gonna get a story here."
Helen: "Why don't you write one on Eckert's arrest? Or the miracle insecticide that's saved--dad! This is the reporter who called--mister?"
McGee: "--McGee."
Helen: "My father."
D.W.: "Mister McGee."
Helen: "I'm afraid he came all the way from Chicago for nothing."
D.W.: "Oh, what a shame! and on Thanksgiving, too.Let us make it up to you--stay for dinner!"
McGee: "Ohh--I couldn't possibly--I would be imposing--"
D.W.: "Nonsense! The place is already set. You see, we were expecting a relative, but at the last minute, he couldn't come."
Helen: "Please stay, Mr. McGee."
McGee: "It looks wonderful. Thank you. It's sad when you think about the people who don't have Thanksgiving. It's been a long time since I've had a home-cooked meal."

D.W. & Helen exchange sad looks, as that was and remains David's situation.

Once again, David walks along some highway...

NOTES:

This is not a cure-related episode.

Add two more characters to the list of people who learn Banner's secret and lived to say nothing about it.

I would have appreciated a scene where David mentions the tragic purpose behind the research which created the Hulk.

Apparently, Banner brother & sister share similar options about The National Register:

David from the pilot: "Mr. McGee, your...newspaper is only interested in reporting murder, rape, horoscopes, UFOs and Farrah Fawcett."
Helen: "I thought you only did articles on movie stars and miracle diets--"

The Banner children know a rag when they see one.

In the course of an investigation, some can be suspicious of relatives who are too happy to please, but Banner's family are so settled into themselves, and have never raised red flags to McGee in the three years of his Hulk hunt, that he should not suspect them beyond this point. After all, the Hulk gets around the country--his appearance in David Banner's hometown does not automatically mean there's a connection.

McGee's "It's sad when you think about the people who don't have Thanksgiving." Er...yeah, thanks to this A-Hole, the very reason David returned home was dashed to pieces, forcing him back to his life as the Lonely Man earlier than expected.

Since the pilot established David's mother knew Elaina Marks ("she always liked you"), we can conclude Marks was a lifelong friend since childhood (only a college association is mentioned in the pilot), as that's (obviously) the only way David's mother would have known Marks.

Continuing with Marks, we have a rare continuity error: there's no way Helen would skip over any question or discussion about the woman who was not only David's lifelong friend, but died in the explosion which "killed" him.

More layers of reality: David's termination letter from a job. Even with his great intellect, he's as susceptible to employment troubles as anyone else.

The Incredible Hulk was popular with audiences of all ages, but its visually striking transformations & displays of strength left such an impression on children, that none other than Mr. (Fred) Rogers visited the Universal production to give kids a look into the real actors, and the difference between make-believe, reality and involved emotions. "Homecoming" was one of the episodes in production when Rogers shot Mister Rogers Talks About Superheroes (Season 10, Episode 1484), which aired on February 6, 1980--

To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.
To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.

GUEST CAST:

Diana Muldaur
(Dr. Helen Banner) first worked with Bixby in "And Eddie Makes Three"--an episode of his beloved sitcom (occasionally a dramedy) The Courtship of Eddie's Father (ABC, 1969). Muldaur returns to TIH in "Sanctuary" (1981) during the series' 5th season.

She is also a Roddenberry-land heavyweight--appearing as Ann Mulhall in Star Trek's "Return to Tomorrow," and Dr. Miranda Jones in "Is There in Truth No Beauty?" Before becoming poor McCoy knock-off Pulaski in Star Trek: The Next Generation's second season, she worked with Roddenberry on his second of three failed pilots--Planet Earth (ABC, 1974).
Other fantasy credits--
  • The Invaders (ABC, 1968) - "The Life Seekers"
  • The Other (20th Century Fox, 1972)
  • Search (NBC, 1973) - "Ends of the Earth"
  • Chosen Survivors (Columbia, 1974)
  • The Hardy Boys / Nancy Drew Mysteries (ABC, 1978) - "Sole Survivor"
  • The Legend of Prince Valiant (The Family Channel, 1993) - recurring as Lady Morgana
  • Batman: The Animated Series (Fox Kids, 1992-93) - recurring as Dr. Leslie Thompkins
John Marley (D. W. Banner) was a versatile character actor with credits spanning many of cinema & TV's best years, but most will remember him as the horse-loving, racist film studio head Jack Woltz in The Godfather (Paramount, 1972). His fantasy credits--
  • Suspense (CBS, 1952) - "Set-Up for Death"
  • Inner Sanctum (Syndicated, 1954) - "The Hermit"
  • Alcoa Presents: One Step Beyond (ABC, 1959) - "Night of the Kill"
  • Thriller (NBC, 1960) - "The Guilty Men"
  • The Twilight Zone (CBS, 1962 / '63) - "Kick the Can" & "The Old Man in the Cave"
  • The Outer Limits (ABC, 1963) - "The Man with the Power"
  • The Alfred Hitchcock Hour (NBC, 1963 / '64) - "An Out for Oscar" "Death of a Cop" & "The Second Verdict"
  • The Second Hundred Years (ABC, 1968) - "Lucky Luke"
  • Land of the Giants (ABC, 1969) - "Sabotage"
  • The Dead Are Alive (Inex Film, 1972)
  • Dead of Night (Quadrant Films, 1974)
  • Kolchak: The Night Stalker (ABC, 1975) - "Primal Scream" (with Regis Cordic)
  • It Lives Again (Warner Brothers, 1978)
  • Threshold (Paragon Motion Pictures, 1981)
  • Seeing Things (CBC, 1982) - "Evil Eye"
Claire Malis (Elizabeth Banner) --
  • Cry for the Strangers (David Gerber Productions, 1982)
  • A Nightmare Comes True (Hallmark Entertainment, 1997)
Regis Cordic's (Eckart) first roles were in two episodes of The Monkees (NBC, 1967 / '68) as the town Cryer in "Fairy Tale" and the money-hungry doctor in "The Christmas Show"-- guest starring Butch "Eddie Munster" Patrick. His fantasy roles--
  • Ritual of Evil (NBC, 1969) - a sequel to Fear No Evil--Universal's failed attempt at a paranormal investigator series, predating the similarly-themed The Sixth Sense with Gary Collins.
  • Death Takes a Holiday (Universal, 1971)
  • Rod Serling's Night Gallery (NBC, 1972) - "Rare Objects"
  • The Sixth Sense (ABC, 1972) - "The Eyes That Wouldn't Die"
  • Sleeper (United Artists, 1973)
  • Kolchak: The Night Stalker (ABC, 1975) - "Primal Scream" (with John Marley)
  • The Scooby-Doo / Dynomutt Hour (ABC, 1976)
  • Dynomutt Dog Wonder (ABC, 1976)
  • Future Cop (ABC, 1977) - "The Kansas City Kid"
  • The Man with the Power (Universal, 1977)
  • The All-New Super Friends Hour (ABC, 1977) - regular as Apache Chief
  • The Six Million Dollar Man (ABC, 1974 / '77) - "Eyewitness to Murder" and "Bigfoot V"
  • Wonder Woman (CBS, 1977) - "Mind Stealers from Outer Space: Part 2"
  • Captain Caveman and the Teen Angels (ABC, 1977) - "The Mystery Mansion Mix-Up"
  • Logan's Run (CBS, 1978) - "Carousel"
  • The Bionic Woman (NBC, 1978) - "Which One is Jamie?"
  • The Hardy Boys / Nancy Drew Mysteries (ABC, 1978) - "Arson and Old Lace"
  • Spider-Man (Syndicated, 1981) - "Carnival of Crime" - as The Ringmaster
  • Challenge of the GoBots (Syndicated, 1984)
  • Galtar and the Golden Lance (Syndicated, 1985)
  • Transformers: The Movie (Sunbow / Marvel Productions, 1986)
  • Transformers: Five Faces of Darkness (Sunbow / Marvel Productions, 1986-87)
  • The Transformers (Sunbow / Marvel Productions, 1986)
  • The Pirates of Dark Water (Syndicated, 1991)
 
Last edited:
“Homecoming”: Yup, this is a pretty emotional one, as David goes home and reunites with his family. Yet another death of a beloved woman in David’s life is revealed in flashback, this time his mother. Man, what a rough life. No wonder he gets so angry. (Although he clearly inherited his quick temper from his father.) And this is our first nightmare-triggered Hulk-out in ages.

I think this is the first time that both of David’s metamorphoses into the Hulk have been witnessed, and by two different people. (Part 2 of “A Death in the Family” might count, but they’re not the only Hulk-outs in the movie/2-parter.) The climactic biplane sequence was a pretty effective set piece -- a major bit of stunt work and a clever new use of the Hulk’s strength, a nice change from the usual throwing people around. For once, instead of breaking stuff, he’s trying to hold something together. And this gives me something I’ve been wishing for. I’ve realized that the Hulk almost never faces any real challenges -- he’s always powerful enough to deal with any obstacle or opponent with ease. He’s not bulletproof, but he rarely gets shot at. So there’s rarely any sense of danger or difficulty for the Hulk when he shows up; we know he’ll just smash his way through everything and overpower the bad guys easily and then run off. I’ve been wishing for stories involving some real obstacle or challenge for the Hulk to overcome. And this is a great example of that -- he has to hold up the biplane wing to save himself and the others, and it’s a genuinely dangerous and difficult situation for him even in Hulk form. (Especially considering how The Death of the Incredible Hulk plays out a decade or so later.)

Joe Harnell’s music was quite impressive here too. He gives us a new leitmotif for David’s family, one that counterpoints nicely with the Lonely Man theme. Although Helen’s reaction to David’s metamorphosis is accompanied by a reuse of Caroline’s theme from “Married.” Also of note is the cue playing as David’s father pursues the Hulk through the woods, a pastiche of Bernard Herrmann’s North by Northwest theme that Harnell would reuse four years later in the main title theme of Kenneth Johnson’s V miniseries.

Although Diana Muldaur would return to the show in another role, it’s too bad we never saw David’s family again.
 
"Homecoming"--
Denver, Colorado--two weeks before Thanksgiving. In his motel room, the recently fired David...

Looking at the notice, it looks like a David Bayword tendered his resignation. The reason given is "Quit" so we can presume a hulk incident caused him to give up the job in the "Shipping" department on October 5th 1979.


With David returning home, this episode ought to have looked closer into the premise of why David is on the run having faked his own death . Questions, questions, questions. Instead of that, we get a less than gripping farmland plot and an avoidance of enquiry into the whole ethos of the show in the form of a PRE-Interview With The Hulk angle.
 
David Bayword t

A new "David B" name.

With David returning home, this episode ought to have looked closer into the premise of why David is on the run having faked his own death . Questions, questions, questions

That ties into David or Helen not mentioning Elaina Marks; if she is a topic, then the conversation naturally moves to the death of Marks being the reason he had to allow McGee to assume he died--and as a result he helped co-create McGee's obsession.

Instead of that, we get a less than gripping farmland plot and an avoidance of enquiry into the whole ethos of the show in the form of a PRE-Interview With The Hulk angle.

At least "Interview with the Hulk" will explore the very issues we missed out on in this episode.
 
I read the name on the slip as "Braynard".

D.W. Banner
I have to think that the intention is that he's David Sr.

is perplexed that the insecticide is not killing the destructive Spear Beetles
Nothing is Beetleproof. :techman:

[ETA: So weird to spell it that way, even in jest.]

Helen: "No, I won't promise you anything! You spring up from the dead after three years, and give us nothing!"
Odd, as it's only been two in real world time.

David: "...I uh....couldn't spend another Thanksgiving alone."
I made a note of this line, so I think this must be when I started to get emotional....

David: "Not everything, mom."
:weep:

Bixby would have been 15 in 1949...seems like David is a few years younger based on his apparent age in the flashbacks.

but is scared off by his father coming to place flowers at Elizabeth's grave.
David running frantically into the woods to avoid being seen was kind of comic-booky.

That evening, Helen checks in on David--only to see him suffering from a nightmare (about the day his mother died--how he blamed his father--the "Married" clip of David chasing...), when he suddenly rises--transforming into the Hulk.
-26:45...another nightmare-triggered metamorphosis. I don't think any old nightmare will do it...they've always been from intensely personal nightmares, not just general stress.

Also, if I'm reading my note right...it looks like they used one of the stock shots of the Hulk changing back to David when David was turning into the Hulk during the FHO.

the Hulk runs to his father's home, flipping a hay trailer over in confused anger, then tears off to nearby hills--capturing the attention of D.W., now chasing after him with a shotgun. Helen guesses the Hulk ran to a spot she and David shared (in times of trouble) as children. She finds him--now transformed back to David...just as D.W. finds them (not connecting David to the Hulk)--staring at the son he thought was long dead...
What would be an ineffectual FHO in less personal circumstances is actually very effective and telling...the creature wants to confront his father, but doesn't want to hurt him.

and in the struggle, Banner is knocked out by a violent push to the floor.
David gets knocked out instead of Hulking Out twice in this episode. Guess his healing factor helps explain how he bypasses the concussions.

A moment after grabbing the wing, David transforms into the Hulk...in front of D.W.'s eyes.
-06:50.

With that, the Hulk grabs his head in frustration, shedding tears before touching his father's face, and running away.
If the Hulk's gonna cry, I'm gonna cry...! :wah:

On Thanksgiving day, Jack McGee is at the Banner home, questioning Helen as she sets the table for dinner--
McGee: "It looks wonderful. Thank you. It's sad when you think about the people who don't have Thanksgiving. It's been a long time since I've had a home-cooked meal."
That last scene works on so many levels. Even McGee barely being in the episode works so well for the story, given his role in this one scene. The pathos of David having to leave his family on a moment's notice just before they were going to sit down for Thanksgiving dinner together...compounded by the fact that they offer David's own plate to give David a chance to escape...compounded by those lines from McGee above, that so clearly apply to David. And even the gesture of offering McGee David's place doesn't come off as a cynical, ulterior-motivated gesture, but as a genuine one...offering the ultimate hospitality to David's nemesis by allowing him to take David's own place....

This is not a cure-related episode.
It has so much going for it, but ultimately it's A Very Special Just Schlepping Around.

Add two more characters to the list of people who learn Banner's secret and lived to say nothing about it.
Nobody belongs on the list more...those two were practically the inspiration for the list.

Since the pilot established David's mother knew Elaina Marks ("she always liked you"), we can conclude Marks was a lifelong friend since childhood (only a college association is mentioned in the pilot), as that's (obviously) the only way David's mother would have known Marks.
Ah...hadn't caught that. I'd think it was actually an error, though. I was definitely under the impression that Elaina was somebody David had met in college.

Muldaur returns to TIH in "Sanctuary" (1981) during the series' 5th season.
Really? I didn't realize she was in another episode. Seems like they wouldn't have used her as another character after she played such a significant and memorable role.

In addition to her fantasy credits...well, I didn't even watch the show, but knew about this famous scene:
To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.

John Marley (D. W. Banner) was a versatile character actor with credits spanning many of cinema & TV's best years, but most will remember him as the horse-loving, racist film studio head Jack Woltz in The Godfather (Paramount, 1972).
Ah, I didn't realize he was that guy. [badbrandoimpression]"Never go against the family, David."[/badbrandoimpression]

In all of your quoted passages, you left out what to me was always the most memorable line from the episode: "But it's not for you...it's for that damn doll."

“Homecoming”: Yup, this is a pretty emotional one
I was truly surprised at how emotionally effective the episode was. I went in a little jaded, expecting it not to hold up to its place in my memory. But there were so many moments in the episode that really got to me, at least as powerfully as they ever would have. If anything, my own life experiences made the episode even more poignant than it would have been the last time that I saw it.

It really says a lot about how well Bixby has portrayed Banner to this point that the audience would be invested enough in his character to be so moved by these moments. And Ferrigno deserves his share of the credit...he carries a couple of the most emotionally powerful scenes in this one.

I have to wonder how much of what makes the episode work gets cut for syndication, in favor of servicing the mechanics of the who-gives-a-crap jeopardy plot.

(Especially considering how The Death of the Incredible Hulk plays out a decade or so later.)
Ugh...that piece of crap ending to Banner's journey doesn't deserve the honor of being mentioned in the review for this episode.
 
Last edited:
Not quite getting the connection there.
The song is about a violent man who taught his son pacifism, followed by which the son's wife is subjected to a random, unmotivated gang rape (or perhaps motivated simply by the fact that the guy is a pacifist), resulting in the son locking himself in a room with the rapists and executing them without remorse or consequence. This is presented as a laudable life lesson. I hated this song when it first came out, not realizing that the mindset would dominate the 80s and beyond.

Love him or hate him, it's a novelty just see him at this point...or is that early hit better remembered / less obscure than I thought?
At this point, I have no clear memory of him before "1999," although I'm sure I was exposed to him thanks to my music-obsessed friend.

Some songs got so much play in the 80s on MTV that I don't realize their actual vintage.
There's a whole bunch of stuff that I think of as early 80s New Wave, such as "Roadrunner" (my theme song when hanging in Connecticut) and "Video Killed The Radio Star" that are technically obscurities from the 70s.
 
What would be an ineffectual FHO in less personal circumstances is actually very effective and telling...the creature wants to confront his father, but doesn't want to hurt him.

I guess that explains it. It was rather oddly staged, but I just chalked it up to the usual contrivances to keep a mid-episode rampage inconclusive.


That last scene works on so many levels. Even McGee barely being in the episode works so well for the story, given his role in this one scene. The pathos of David having to leave his family on a moment's notice just before they were going to sit down for Thanksgiving dinner together...compounded by the fact that they offer David's own plate to give David a chance to escape...compounded by those lines from McGee above, that so clearly apply to David. And even the gesture of offering McGee David's place doesn't come off as a cynical, ulterior-motivated gesture, but as a genuine one...offering the ultimate hospitality to David's nemesis by allowing him to take David's own place....

Yes. The David-McGee relationship is a complicated one. As we'll see in later episodes, McGee sincerely believes he's doing the right thing (though there's a desire for personal vindication involved too), and he suffers a lot in his fruitless pursuit. We'll see this particularly in "Proof Positive." It's the ambiguity of their relationship, the fact that both men are worth rooting for but each one's goals come at the other's expense, that makes the show so fascinating. So seeing the Banners show McGee a moment of kindness, giving him a respite from the chase, is a lovely moment. It's even weirdly appropriate, since in a way, David and McGee are closer to each other than they are to anyone else.


Really? I didn't realize she was in another episode.

Yes, and she's playing another "sister" role -- the nun Sister Anita in season 5's "Sanctuary."


Seems like they wouldn't have used her as another character after she played such a significant and memorable role.

Tell that to Majel Barrett, or Mark Lenard, or Jeffrey Combs, or Susie Plakson, or Lucy Lawless, or Renee O'Connor, or...


Ugh...that piece of crap ending to Banner's journey doesn't deserve the honor of being mentioned in the review for this episode.

A fair point.
 
Land of the Giants: "On a Clear Day You Can See Earth": A mediocre episode and a waste of Michael Ansara. The script really feels like it was written for kids, with pretty simplistic writing and lots of lines with characters narrating what they're about to do. And yet it takes a rather more violent tack than a lot of previous episodes. It was just last week that Steve was willing to save the life of a giant who endangered them, with that act of kindness being what saved them. But now he's advocating cold-blooded murder. And the twist about seeing Earth through the infrared goggles was silly and pointless to the story.

I always have so much less to say about these episodes than about The Time Tunnel. Maybe it's because so much of each episode is just about climbing stuff and negotiating giant-sized settings and objects, so the actual stories are fairly basic.


The Time Tunnel: "Invasion": Hmm, kind of a missed opportunity. Two guys who know exactly when the D-Day invasion happens fall into the hands of a Nazi brainwasher two days before D-Day? The potential for danger there is obvious, but instead they ignore the issue altogether and go for a random thing about Doug being brainwashed to kill Tony. Well, yeah, granted, this show uses an immutable-timeline model, so there couldn't have been any real danger of Doug revealing the truth about the invasion plans, but still, it seems like an overlooked elephant in the room.

And the efficacy of the brainwashing is kind of implausible. How do you so completely brainwash an American into thinking he's a German that he actually speaks English with a faux German accent? Indeed, I was expecting that the brainwashing wouldn't even work, because Doug has knowledge of the future that's impossible to reconcile with the fake biography Kleinemann fed him. Having him just forget his entire past is too pat a way of avoiding that. Again, a missed opportunity to do something interesting with the idea.

Another missed opportunity: General Kirk would've been in his early 30s on D-Day, most likely. It's conceivable that he could've actually been part of the invasion. They could've done a story about Doug and Tony encountering the young Kirk (sort of like Stargate SG-1's "1969" with General Hammond). At the very least, it could've given Kirk some inside knowledge that would've been useful for the Tic-Toc team.

It's interesting that the preview in last week's episode cut together the initial arrival sequence with the sequence of the fuel-tank sabotage mission from halfway through the episode. I don't think we've seen a teaser scene break with chronology quite so drastically before.
 
It's interesting that the preview in last week's episode cut together the initial arrival sequence with the sequence of the fuel-tank sabotage mission from halfway through the episode. I don't think we've seen a teaser scene break with chronology quite so drastically before.

IIRC, the prior episode came up a bit short on time, so to rectify it, they plunked the action scene in the middle of the next-week teaser to fill up time.

As for the time is which these were made, I must respectfully mention that even into the mid 60s, television episodes were still looked upon as disposable entertainment. Program owners were only beginning to discover the lucrative syndicated rerun market for their series, so the major effort at the time in making a television episode focused on how quickly and how cheaply it could be made. Corners were cut all the time, and no-one ever envisioned the likes of fans who would not only analyze each episode, but be able to do so in great detail on high definition televisions.

In the 60s, the very best television monitors were only about 24 to 25" diagonally, with roundish tubes and only rudimentary color accuracy. On those TVs, we couldn't see the seams in the clothing or the glued-together props - and none of that is an excuse for poorly-written episodes. Writers were hampered by producers looking to keep the budgets down and had their beautifully-written scripts and scenes tossed in the circular file.

Irwin Allen was cheap. There's no doubt about that. Still his shows engendered enough imagination on the part of the audience that they are still being discussed today. I meant no disrespect when I said that Christopher was taking it all way too seriously. Indeed, it's refreshing to see anyone on these pages paying any attention at all to the old Irwin Allen shows. I simply meant that the thought that goes into Christopher's posts is probably more than that used by the writers and producers of the show who were just grinding them out as part of their job.

So many times I've read actors and writers and producers state that they have little memory of a particular role or script or production. It was just a paycheck to them. Get in, get out and on to the next. None of them ever envisioned us watching fifty years later and analyzing the production with a fine-toothed comb.

And there's nothing wrong with that analyzing. We all enjoy it or we wouldn't be here.
 
I never got the impression that he killed them, just that he beat the crap out of all three of them.
Hmm. For some reason, I thought he had a gun. Anyway, it's still the same thing: The unquestioned equating of pacifism with cowardice and the endorsement of violence and vengeance. The refrain of the guy's father teaching him to take a more civilized approach is what you would expect from the songs of the 60s and 70s, but here it's just used as a setup to send the opposite message. Pacifism makes you weak and real men kill, or beat the crap out of, their enemies. That was the end of the liberal era and the beginning of the Reagan Revolution.
 
It was a country song, and as somebody who lived in the South during that era, I'd say that it was more of Southern thing than a Reagan thing. That cultural divide goes back to at least the '60s and is still with us today.

And hell, the show we're reviewing right now is about a good, upstanding, compassionate guy who ultimately solves his problems by getting angry, turning into a super-strong creature, and tossing people around.
 
If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

Sign up / Register


Back
Top