Vulture Marvel Legends
Spider-Man: Homecoming' anticipation thread
- Thread starter Turtletrekker
- Start date
I wanted to like this trailer, but I'm just not feeling this take on the character right now. Maybe it's all the extraneous stuff that defined the way this movie came into existence or the fact that I'm largely burnt out on the MCU right now, but, at this point, the only reason I have to go see this thing is an enduring love for the character of Spider-Man in general, which saddens me greatly.
But Tony Stark is Iron Man. In or out the suit doesn't matter for him.
I was hoping he wouldn't show up at all, but I'm not in the least bit surprised after how the two character's rapport kicked-off in Civil War. Not that I don't like RDJ/Iron Man, I'm just kind of tired of him.
I really liked this trailer, especially the casual wisecracking that was better than both Civil War and the Garfield films.
However, I didn't like the brand new character as Peter's confidante who knows his secret. One of the core aspects of the character early on is that he had to carry the Spider-Man burden on his own.
Yes, technically the character is Ned Leeds, but this character only resembles Leeds in name only (and apparently physically looks like a Morales character, but I don't know anything about that series).
Yes, Tony also knows his secret, but having someone his age knowing about Spider-Man is very different from someone who is literally bankrolling it.
Maybe I'm continuing to be an admittedly stubborn and ardent Spidey purist, but while I loved most of the trailer and what Tom Holland has done so far, this part really bothers me.
However, I didn't like the brand new character as Peter's confidante who knows his secret. One of the core aspects of the character early on is that he had to carry the Spider-Man burden on his own.
Yes, technically the character is Ned Leeds, but this character only resembles Leeds in name only (and apparently physically looks like a Morales character, but I don't know anything about that series).
Yes, Tony also knows his secret, but having someone his age knowing about Spider-Man is very different from someone who is literally bankrolling it.
Maybe I'm continuing to be an admittedly stubborn and ardent Spidey purist, but while I loved most of the trailer and what Tom Holland has done so far, this part really bothers me.
That's what I'm hoping for, too, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's some kind of team-up actin in the third act.
The casual wisecracking is my favorite part but I agree this is very refreshing to see and I would love to see more of this for Spider-Man. That's always been one of the core tenets of Spider-Man: Helping people.
A novelty compared to previous Spider-Man films can be seen in the vank robbery scene.
The ease with which he kicks the robbers ass.
Unlike in the earlier movies he doesn't punch them so much as sort of just gives them a very gentle nudge to knock them out.
He holds back... a lot... against ordinary people.
That is a nice contrast to the ass whooping he seemingly gets from Vulture later on.
The ease with which he kicks the robbers ass.
Unlike in the earlier movies he doesn't punch them so much as sort of just gives them a very gentle nudge to knock them out.
He holds back... a lot... against ordinary people.
That is a nice contrast to the ass whooping he seemingly gets from Vulture later on.
I agree. It was missing some good swing shots
Just look at Spider-man 2
And the swings we got were mostly around 3 story buildings
Yeah, I'm not a fan of the "new" character at all for many of the same reasons you cited. But you know what? I loved everything else about the trailer, and that love greatly overshadows that one nitpick of mine. I'm so glad Marvel got to get their hands on the character and hopefully they show the other studios that people actually want to see the real characters more than the completely "reimagined, angsty, emo" crap they churn out. Fantastic Four and X-Men, I'm looking at you in particular.
Yeah, you're right and that's why I'm trying to go into the film optimistically, even if I did get burned the last five times. Honestly, naming the character "Ned Leeds" is probably going to bug me more than the character itself.
Speaking for myself, I'd want to see Keaton and Downey chewing the scenery together.
Damn. You make a very valid point there.
Hate to break it to you, but Spider-Man is the original "angsty / emo" superhero. The X-Men built an entire comic book empire on "angst / emo". Sorry, but that's a core element of these characters and always has been.
Anyone else spot the Howard Stark & Bruce Banner cameos? I thought that was very cute.
It's not just Ganke Lee they're borrowing but Mile's school as well. IIRC in the comics Peter was always a public school kid (what the Ynaks call public school anyway; that means something very different over here) while Miles goes to a charter school (which I am given to understand is something like our grammar schools) which is exactly what the school in the trailer appears to be.
Part of the problem is that the "classic" Peter Parker story has been told *twice* in recent memory, so they need to be wary of repeating what's already been done. Hence skipping over the origin (though I'd be surprised if there isn't some kind of brief flash-back) hence a younger Aunt May, hence filching some of Miles Morales's supporting cast and setup. That last bit is a bit dicey since once again, we have another PoC character essentially replaced with a white version.
It's not just Ganke Lee they're borrowing but Mile's school as well. IIRC in the comics Peter was always a public school kid (what the Ynaks call public school anyway; that means something very different over here) while Miles goes to a charter school (which I am given to understand is something like our grammar schools) which is exactly what the school in the trailer appears to be.
Uh, yeah, no. Spider-Man has always had his angst, starting off as a teen an all, but it's not a defining aspect of the character, nor is he anything like what we've seen Sony and Warner Bros churn out for everyone they have the misfortune of having the rights to, where they're all trying to make every superhero into Batman, who is -the- definitive angsty/emo superhero.
Spider-Man's defining characteristics are his optimism, wit, and altruism. Angsty emoness is nowhere near the top. Getting bummed and worried about his real life isn't the same as being a boring, angsty douchebag who does nothing but mope through life.
No, I missed them. What were they?
Yeah, I get all of that. Which is precisely why I would've preferred not covering high school or college at all. But I also understand why they went with that route because an older, mature Spidey wouldn't fit in the MCU because he was never seen before and having Peter get his powers later in life goes against the core origin even more so. In a way, the writers were stuck between a rock and a hard place because they were introducing Spider-Man so late into the MCU timeline.
I am trying to make the best of it and I appreciate the diversity in Peter's storyline and pulling from Morales. Hell, in some ways, I would've preferred Morales outright. Would've been a lot easier to accept a younger Aunt May-type character. I love Marisa Tomei but it still bugs me she's Aunt May.
My guess is he's just going to tell Ned how he got his powers, and that'll be about it. It's really the only reason to include the character, since he's already been introduced as a fully-realized superhero when we first meet him... and Marvel isn't in the habit of jumping back in time to tell the stories in their shared universe.
And I'm not sure where you're coming to the conclusion that he's going to a charter school in that trailer. It looked like a run-of-the-mill public school to me.
The Banner and Howard Stark Easter eggs, and others, can be seen here. What a lot of people have missed is that Abraham Erskine is a part of the same mural that Stark is in (although he can't be seen in this article's pic. Below Stark to the right).
So the gear if the baddies is recycled from earlier Avenger enemy tech like Chitauri tech, is that hand gun thingy scavenged from an Ultron drone?
There were so many of them, some parts were bound to end up on the black market, right?
If so, cool idea to let bad guys mane use of that stuff, so regular thieves and criminals could become a bit more of a challenge for heroes like Spider-Man, Daredevil and so on.
There were so many of them, some parts were bound to end up on the black market, right?
If so, cool idea to let bad guys mane use of that stuff, so regular thieves and criminals could become a bit more of a challenge for heroes like Spider-Man, Daredevil and so on.
http://io9.gizmodo.com/every-plot-point-and-easter-egg-we-found-in-the-spider-1789901383
Vulture reportedly gets his name from his tendency to salvage and improve on older technology. Like the bird, he scavenges from the work of others.
Vulture reportedly gets his name from his tendency to salvage and improve on older technology. Like the bird, he scavenges from the work of others.
Ah, thanks for pointing that. I actually looked at the mural and didn't notice Stark.
Similar threads
