it makes little sense to me that you think the spock and bones banter made little sense to you. Spock and bones banter is a huge part of trek and was one of the best parts of beyond. The banter will always be there in any reimagining of TOS characters. not having the banter with tos characters will be the same as not having a banter with Wolverine and Magneto in an X-Men movie.
it makes little sense or is forced to me because in tos it was mainly based on the fact that Spock was on denial about his feelings and human side, in this trek
he isn't. In fact, I felt their banter was one sided and only Mccoy has a 'problem' with him and prejudices (that maybe he shouldn't even have), and if they force it too much it's going to look like he is a damn bully..but at the same time, they can't, and I don't want, turn Spock into a caricature just to justify Bones' behavior with him and for the sake of comic relief.
Urban makes mostly an impersonation of the old character but Quinto doesn't (and Nimoy himself approved) and I honestly don't think Urban's own choice should dictate how the reboot should portray every character, let alone Spock, when since the beginning JJ asked them to NOT make impersonations and make their characters not totally like the ones from the other reality.
I felt the movie tried too hard selling this supposed bromance between them because even after they reunite with the group, they still 'stuck' them together trying to find pretexts so that Bones interacts with Spock more than the others. As a result, Spock doesn't interact that much with people who aren't Mccoy and Kirk, while Mccoy himself doesn't interact with other characters beside k/s and has no character development outside of them.
in either case, i'm sick tired of the fact that it seems like even if it's another reality and another trek, I'm doomed to have old dynamics forced in the story at any cost, especially if done with little respect of the dynamics that are part of this trek from the start. Tos elitists that don't like change have their tos DVDs to watch.
I'm not going to watch another movie if it goes backwards with the dynamics and characters again, and nostalgia is more important than continuing this story.
Beyond was the most liked by reboot haters..and the least successful of the 3..
star trek into darkness was a poor representation of her relationship with Spock.
not for me. it was realistic for them to have that argument and it was important because as his significant other and the person who knew him the most, she was the only one who could hint at Spock having ptsd and make him have that speech. It wouldn't make sense for him otherwise.
JJ cared about Uhura's perspective in the relationship and her being human with needs Spock must respect (since, by watching the first movie, you saw how Uhura respected his), Lin and Pegg didn't.
Some fans have double standards because they criticize her for her one scene even though she is a tad more 'entlitled' to complain about Spock due to their relationship, but on the flip side they have no issues with Kirk doing worse in the whole movie. Not to even mention Mccoy's own bully, and at times racist, behavior with Spock that is considered good character development or just 'funny'. It seems that when it comes to the boys, them arguing with Spock is all good and showing him a human perspective, but on the other hand his girlfriend can't even have motivated arguments with him without getting called a naggy girlfriend or worse. and apparently, she must be the only one who respects his vulcan side on that ship, and she should shut up about her feelings..
star trek beyond at least showed spock and uhura in the beginning acting like grown ups and talking about their feelings as adults who respect each other unlike into darkness where they act like bickering teens.
I'm sorry but WHERE? there is not such a scene, even less Uhura really discussing things with him and her side in the relationship. You only see a super brief scene with a post break up (implied) where you don't even know what happened until Spock talked with Mccoy and added context. But you get nothing from Uhura's side. She isn't more allowed to talk about her relationship than Sulu is allowed to talk about his husband/family. She has nothing equal or vaguely similar to the scene between Spock and Bones. There are more scenes that talk/mention her (mostly to give Bones pretexts for comic relief) and their relationship, than scenes where she actually lives said relationship as one of the characters that form it!
To say beyond did their relationship better is, honestly, like a (bad) joke to me. Yes, they have cute scenes but that's beside my point.
but Uhura wasn't the only victim of that. Even Bones is better handled in his dynamics in the first movies. Why? because in beyond he is only there to listen to k/s but where is his perspective and side? Kirk is leaving and he doesn't even seem to know , he's only about the Kirk/spock bromance and how Spock leaving would affect it/Kirk. He has no voice on screen to also be Kirk's friend who doesn't want to lose HIS friend.
You are saying uhura was side lined but I disagree, in fact I think it was quite the opposite.
90% of the reviews I read said that both she and Sulu got the short end of the stick. And I agree.
There is no mistaking they tried to restore the Tos old trio dynamic at her expense and at the expense of the reboot dynamics.
I get Urban wanted more screentime, but they went backwards. They shouldn't make tos homages mutually exclusive with the new things.
I don't see how someone can honestly deny that Mccoy and Scotty got more screentine than her and more face time with Kirk and Spock.
Like really.
If you sadly feel she was side-lined because her romance with spock did not get enough focus, that makes little sense to me .
it's clearly not just because of that but nevertheless, I wish some fans would just stop bring
disingenuous about this aspect because it's getting ridiculous. It's only obvious that the characters who interact with Kirk and Spock the most, are the more prominent. It's just basic narrative. Uhura was elevated to the original trio level and the actress the third top billed p, Beyond ignored that in favor of the old trio dynamic effectively replacing her as the third lead with ( another) a white guy. (not to even mention the role Pegg wrote for himself)
It's so obvious to everyone that secondary characters get more screentime that way that, in fact, people are lobbying for Mccoy to get more screentime through bromance with the leads SINCE YEARS (and resented Uhura for stealing screentime from him) and, lol, even Urban himself seems to effectively believe that Mccoy can be more prominent or get enough screentime
only if he interacts with Kirk and Spock more than others.
so please, for the love of everything that is holy, let's stop being disingenuous about Uhura and her dynamics with Kirk and Spock. If people don't care about those it's fine, but let's not pretend it's not relevant for her to get screentime with the protagonists when it's the exact way people think the secondary male characters can get bigger roles. It's pretentious and patronizing to tell Uhura fans that all of this is not true or relevant ( and that she is not sidelined when she obviously is), all the while being the first who want the old trio and bromances back so that Mccoy gets more screentime. Really.
star trek is not romantic drama, most romance in trek did not get much time . star trek is not about boyfriend and girl friend relationships. romances in trek was never the strongest point of the series. if people are into star trek purely for a romance , they could be in the misplaced franchise.
no one says that trek must be a romantic comedy movie or something, lol
but using your reasoning, then they shouldn't develop the 'bromances' either, and people like Urban make no sense if they complain there isn't enough bromance.
Honestly, romance or friendships are just two facets of the kind of, realistic, relationships and connections that can form between people. If it's not so hard to devote screentime to the second (even at the point if, honestly, making it forced) and that doesn't take away from the main plot, I don't see why that can't be valid for romantic relationships too. I fail to see why the dudebro stuff is this super useful thing we must have aplenty, but if you give 5 minutes to a different kind of dynamics it's a 'risk' and useless stuff. and we have one romance vs.. how many bromances? Kirk/Spock, Kirk/Bones, Spock/Bones and even a bit of Kirk/Scotty. There is never enough dudebro stuff in trek.
