Jeri Ryan

[IdkVoy]

I only wanted to warn you that in this forum, the participants are usually courteous between them, even if sometimes, some people like to pull your leg, it always remains very nice and often funny. And besides, it is one of reasons why I like discussing here.
-> if you had treated me with a " what a crazy girl you are to think that" after several posts, I would have smiled but yes, there, I was very surprised. Especially since it was the first post coming from you, which I read.
Anyway, it's already over for me and I'm pretty sure that in the future, we shall have the opportunity to tease each other more than of reason!



About the using of the word "bimbo", I think that it is a question of culture. I come from France and here, as well, the term of "babe" is unknown, as well the "bimbo" one is often used (in a mindless way and distorted, for sure) when we speak about a young woman who gets dressed in provocative way, highlighting her attributes through her poses and/or her tight clothes. In the first part of s4, some people like me, had difficulty in overriding this image (furthermore, I liked Jennifer Lien's sweet Kes. So, to see the actress leaving in a forced way to make the place available to Jeri Ryan and her advantageous forms, greatly disturbed me. I know it was unfair to think like that but well...!). But once this phase was over, I eventually appreciated Ryan acting (she really took up her character as Mulgrew with Janeway, Picardo with the Doctor and Russ with Tuvok) and the complexity of her character, who became me more and more endearing. And for that, just

I agree with this and the recent above posts about the language/culture differences-- that makes sense.

And I will say, I understand where you're coming from when you said you were initially put-off by the addition of the character. I have benefit of seeing it all 15 years after it ended so my viewing of this cast/character change was never really tainted because I had had the full picture of what would happen and how Seven would become a popular character.

 

[2takesfrakes]

I do have to wonder, sometimes: Am I the only VOY fan who doesn't care for 7 of 9?

I find her to be particularly overrated, on all counts. She's one of those things in Life, where everybody seems compelled to say how great it is, to quote absent opinion so as to 'fit in,' or whathaveyou. Idon't consider her to be a useless disaster for the show, or anything like that. It's just all hype, it seems like.

And once Jeri effectively became the star of STAR TREK: Voyager, thanks to her boyfriend, there seems to be this erroneous impression that it was because 7 was such a great character, or some shit - especially compared to the others. And it's simply not the case.

 

[Sophie74656]

I think certain people dislike 7 because they associate her arrival with Kes leaving and can't separate the two events.

Personally I did dislike that she got too much focus but I didn't dislike her as a character. I think she had an interesting arc and did have some great episodes, Infinite Regress and Body and Soul immediately come to mind.

 

[Ghislaine H. B. BRAEME]

I liked Kes a lot and yes, like some people, I didn't welcome the character of Seven with wide open arms but, fortunately, it didn't last for a long time (1st half of the s4, all the same! -> I made afterward, a second viewing of this part to realize my stupidity) because this season 4 was really good and Seven of Nine is a really moving character!
That being said, I am convinced that the quality of this season wouldn't change if Jeri Ryan had carried an adapted uniform of Starfleet instead of this ridiculous catsuit!

Small comment: why people dislike(d) that 7of9/Ryan got too much focus from s4 while The Doctor/Picardo benefited from the same focus, people are less critical?
-> for my part, I was more annoyed by the focus on The Doctor than by 7of9!

 

[Sophie74656]

I liked Kes a lot and yes, like some people, I didn't welcome the character of Seven with wide open arms but, fortunately, it didn't last for a long time (1st half of the s4, all the same! -> I made afterward, a second viewing of this part to realize my stupidity) because this season 4 was really good and Seven of Nine is a really moving character!
That being said, I am convinced that the quality of this season wouldn't change if Jeri Ryan had carried an adapted uniform of Starfleet instead of this ridiculous catsuit!

Small comment: why people dislike(d) that 7of9/Ryan got too much focus from s4 while The Doctor/Picardo benefited from the same focus, people are less critical?
-> for my part, I was more annoyed by the focus on The Doctor than by 7of9!

It's possible because the Doctor was there all along his focus was less noticable than Seven who was brand new and rather in your face. Since she was new she needed some focus to establish her and set her up. I also understand why she wouldn't wear a regular uniform, but I think nothing would have been lost if she wore regular civilian clothes.

I also think that her outfit had a negative impact on some people. I think many people couldn't see past that outfit to the amazing talented woman Jeri Ryan is and the complex character that Seven is.

 

[Kemaiku]

She was on the best things to happen to Voyager.

A lot of people complain about how much smarter and capable she was because of her residual Borg nature. I prefer to think of it as the stark contrast caused by her showing the sheer incompetance and lack of skill of the crew compared to anyone knowing what they're doing.

At least we had an exploration of a former Borg drone over several years, and that someone outside of humanity did not (for once) have to be brow beaten into becoming like them for the sake of it. A few episodes alone explore far more range and naunce than years of the magic pixie she replaced.

 

[Ghislaine H. B. BRAEME]

Well, for me, 7of9 was one of the best things ... with Kathryn Janeway, Tuvok and Tom Paris. That's why I watched the series from the beginning to the end!

 

[Sophie74656]

Well, for me, 7of9 was one of the best things ... with Kathryn Janeway, Tuvok and Tom Paris. That's why I watched the series from the beginning to the end!

I do agree that she is one of the best parts of the show. I am rewatching it from the beginning with someone who is new to the show and can't wait until we get to the point where she joins the cast.

 

[2takesfrakes]

It's possible because the Doctor was there all along his focus was less noticable than Seven who was brand new and rather in your face.

That's it, exactly, as far as the EMH was concerned - at least, for me. He was ALWAYS given too much focus, right out of the box. "Oh! A Hologram who wants to be Human!" It doesn't work for me. With Data, that was the reason he was created, in the first place. But The Doctor is a hologram, for crying out loud - on what basis does he need a girlfriend, for example.

OK, imagine your kitchen table coming to Life, where it's capable of rational thought. Just an ordinary table, how this happened, it doesn't matter. But it's alive now, so what does it want out of Life? To discover it's Humanity? To explore The Human Condition? I'm not sure I buy that, especially when it's happening to a hologram. It's concerns would be very different. But in STAR TREK, all they give a shit about is experiencing the best that Humanity has to offer. And VOY has Kes and Neelix and 7 all doing the same frigging thing! I mean, how much is too much? Picardo can be very entertaining, but the EMH needed to be scaled back, or given a direction that involved a writer's gift for imagination. There was none of that.

 

[Six of Twelve]

The first post Borg outfit she wore for two or three episodes, the shiny tight one, can be blamed on the Doctor as an in show reason, on his pervy sense of aesthetics in designing it. I also think the no nonsense, efficient Borg part of Seven of Nine would not have chosen to have such long hair, either.

I think the first outfit disappeared because it was so uncomfortable for Jeri to wear. I saw an interview with her on YouTube where she said it was like one big tight girdle and that she couldn't wear any underwear with it because of panty lines, strap lines, etc. The catsuits she wore from then on were more low key in dull, non shiny colors. They were certainly no worse than the ones Nana Visitor wore in the later seasons of DS9. If you recall, Kira started out with a two-piece standard Bajoran uniform in the first season and went through several uniform re-designs that got increasingly tighter and more revealing that by the seventh season, her outfit no longer resembled a Bajoran uniform that anyone else wore, except for in color. Yet no one gave her grief about this the way they do Jeri. Still, it would have been nice if Seven had had a two-piece, less form fitting outfit.

 

[Sophie74656]

That silver suit also pressed on the artery in her neck if she turned her head a certain way and made her pass out

 

[Thomas Eugene]

I've mentioned elsewhere already that here in Hungary we practically hadn't even heard of Star Trek before the middle of the nineties and if memory serves, the first time VOY and DS9 aired, we were well into the 2000s.

It must have been around 2002 that I caught the first glimpse of VOY. My first episodes was ONE. Which means that my first VOY episode was about Seven and I was immediately hooked. I fell in love with the show in no time. Then I caught an episode here and there as it was progressing so I saw some parts of later seasons.

Then about two years later when I saw episodes again, I must have seen something from season 2. I was completely shocked that there was no Seven of Nine in season 2 so I checked things on IMDB and started to understand what was going on. Later I also read about the Kes/Seven debate.

When I first got to THE GIFT, I'd known they'd get rid of Kes in some way ... still it hurt. I was so pissed off, not so much because I liked her as a character but because I thought that Voyager was basically about this family feeling no other show has managed to portray to date - and no one should be got rid of when there's a whole family behind you.

But of course, since I already knew (about) Seven, I was very happy about her arrival and couldn't wait for the second part of Voyager to start. (Who would have thought back then that one day SCORPION would become my fav ep?)

Ever since whenever I rewatch the show - which I'm rewatching for the 36th time right now - I have this bittersweet feeling about ringing out the old and ringing in the new every time I get to SCORPION/THE GIFT. I am always sad to see Kes leave and I am always very happy to see Seven join the cast. This probably accounts for why I've never thought there there was a significant change in the quality of the show after Seven's arrival. For me, it simply means that there are two Voyager shows. It is as if I were watching a different show from season 4 on with the same characters save one.

Mercifully, that fantastic family feeling I love this series for is there in both parts of the show. That is why I never feel that there's a difference between the beginning and the end. For me, VOYAGER is high quality from CARETAKER to ENDGAME.

As for the Doctor, before I joined websites like this one, I had never even noticed that he was given too much focus. I definitely never noticed that he was given more focus after Seven arrived. What I noticed was that this show was basically about Janeway and her crew - and this is one thing that remains constant from the first minute to the last. And since she is my favourite character by far, I don't complain. Voyager is fantastic as it is - though I could have done without FURY.

 

[Voth commando1]

Seven of nine saved the show not just because of her sex appeal but because she brought character focus, coherent strong plots, and a centeredness that would not have existed otherwise. Without her the show would have faltered and died.

By seasons 6-7 she and the doctor were the real stars.

 

[JanewayRulz!]

That silver suit also pressed on the artery in her neck if she turned her head a certain way and made her pass out

Actually, I think that was the BORG uniform that caused her to pass out.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-QHKBhEdzA...s/s1600/Seven_of_Nine_speaks_for_the_Borg.jpg

 

[Catarina]

rest assured nobody passed out. Jeri said (watch it on youtube) that she got light headed frequently but people pictured the worst and assumed full black out.

I liked her sparkly outfits. I was totally okay with the silver one going bye- bye. It reminded me of tin foil. And I knew why they put her in it. America in the 90's was ramping up beautifying everything and it was creating friction. I feel the muted down ones were best and a good compromise vs giving in because we were uncomfortable or whatever reason.

I was watching, Someone to Watch Over Me and although her evening clothing was bizarre it makes total sense why the doctor would select that gown. he has no hangs ups over breasts. And neither does she. I appreciated it for its bold choice of lines and fabric.

 

[2takesfrakes]

But ... she does have hang ups regarding breasts, as hers were surgically enhanced and enlarged, as opposed to proudly going around with the pair God gave her.

 

[Paradise City]

I accepted Seven straight away. Ryan's acting was watertight. If she was just there as space candy I would've called that. I also have a minor dislike of pixie characters (and court jester characters) so her arrival was tenatively welcomed by me. As I had been used to Troi and her bunny outfits, Ryan's outfit didn't strike me as something remarkable.

 

[Six of Twelve]

From a practicality standpoint, I think that Seven's no nonsense Borg personality would have found the one piece catsuits to be inefficient, as one must get completely undressed every time they used the bathroom. And simply having to use a bathroom at all has to be a big adjustment to her, as I suspect the Borg don't have those bodily functions, as they don't normally ingest food and drink.

 

[Sophie74656]

But ... she does have hang ups regarding breasts, as hers were surgically enhanced and enlarged, as opposed to proudly going around with the pair God gave her.

Personally I see nothing wrong with plastic surgery if it makes you feel better about yourself. I am getting some myself and looking forward to it.

 

[Sophie74656]

From a practicality standpoint, I think that Seven's no nonsense Borg personality would have found the one piece catsuits to be inefficient, as one must get completely undressed every time they used the bathroom. And simply having to use a bathroom at all has to be a big adjustment to her, as I suspect the Borg don't have those bodily functions, as they don't normally ingest food and drink.

Up until she started taking in food she probably didn't use the bathroom at all. And I wouldn't be surprised even after she started eating that maybe she didn't use it much as she was still using the alcove which may serve in removing her toxins, or at least some of them