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Who is going to win this election in November?

Who will win the general presidential election?

  • Donald Trump

    Votes: 37 22.7%
  • Hillary Clinton

    Votes: 126 77.3%

  • Total voters
    163
  • Poll closed .
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So you don't let people back into the US who have traveled to Saudi Arabia at some point?
I mean, seriously... nothing you says addresses the practical issues. It's all just vague goals.
I never said people couldn't visit Saudi Arabia. Also, I think that terrorist attacks and illegal immigration are very practical issues.
 
I can't give an exact number. Obviously it's an issue since we're even having this discussion.

Nah, "many people are saying" doesn't mean it's happening.

In fact, the number of undocumented immigrants in the US is currently falling or holding steady. Which means there's actually not a significant influx on a daily basis. Which means your entire premise is flawed.
 
Nah, "many people are saying" doesn't mean it's happening.

In fact, the number of undocumented immigrants in the US is currently falling or holding steady. Which means there's actually not a significant influx on a daily basis. Which means your entire premise is flawed.
If it's holding steady, it means it still occurs.
 
Why? People give me their views and I give them mine. I've treated people with respect on here, even those who may not agree with me.
Opposing opinions are fine. But you are clearly extremely ignorant of the complexity behind why there are illegal immigrants from Mexico.
 
1. All 11 million, eh?



2. And what if private citizens decide to shield undocumented migrants that the feds have come to take away?



3. They aren't. Net migration is around zero right now.



4. What kind of "outside forces"?
1. As I said earlier, it's unrealistic to deport every one of them. However, if they are caught, they should receive the proper punishment, which I think is deportation.
2. They are aiding fugitives and should receive whatever the proper punishment is.
3. That's a good thing.
4. I would say police officers. I don't think the military should be sent in or anything like that.
 
1. As I said earlier, it's unrealistic to deport every one of them. However, if they are caught, they should receive the proper punishment, which I think is deportation.
2. They are aiding fugitives and should receive whatever the proper punishment is.
3. That's a good thing.
4. I would say police officers. I don't think the military should be sent in or anything like that.

And what if thousands of citizens rally around undocumented migrants to prevent them from being detained? How far are you willing to go?
 
That means more needs to be done.

In other words, you really do want a draconian, inhumane crackdown on people who've done nothing wrong other than overstay a visa or enter the country without authorization. You don't care how many people it hurts, how many people it kills, so long as your abstract notion of a secure border is protected. You don't even know why you want a secure border, but boy do you really want one! And you don't care if that means tearing families apart, abusing and killing people, or massive human rights violations. You have your ideological position and you want it accomplished, no matter what it takes.

You said immigrants are coming into this country every day. You were incorrect.

You said we have an insecure border, when we're in the midst of the biggest crackdown in history.

We already deport people who come here and commit crimes.

What more do you want? Seriously. What more do you want? Will nothing satisfy you until every last undocumented immigrant is out of this country, and we take extreme measures to keep more from entering?
 
I'm not interested in their stories, I support the law.

Which means you have no moral compass of your own on how people should be treated?

There are just too many ways for people to get into the US for what you talk about to be practical. We've been pouring hundreds of millions of dollars into the war on drugs and drugs still get in. Motivated people will circumvent pretty much any kind of security.
 
I admit Trump should speak against these issues more, but he isn't the one doing it. Using your logic, Clinton's legacy will be people rioting that she lost.

Are people still trying to float false equivalencies?? Clinton didn't condone racism or violence against opponents. The anti-Trump protests are just that: peaceful protests. That you don't agree with their message doesn't make it a riot.

You are being completely intellectually dishonest here, most importantly with yourself. And I suspect that's how you will live life the next four years.
 
1. It's necessary to deter people from entering this country illegally.
2. If they weren't breaking the law in the first place, we wouldn't have this issue in the first place.
3. He still allowed sanctuary cities and weak borders.
The U.S.-Mexico border regarding illegal immigration has been an issue for decades through several administrations, be it Dem or Rep. but not to worry, suddenly it's the current administration's fault.
 
It would be an interesting experiment to remove all illegal immigrants from the American work force. Watch as prices soar on a lot of different products because American citizens refuse to work for the wages illegal immigrants do.

Then there will be cries of protests at the increased costs. THANKS OBAMA!!!
 
It would be an interesting experiment to remove all illegal immigrants from the American work force. Watch as prices soar on a lot of different products because American citizens refuse to work for the wages illegal immigrants do.

Then there will be cries of protests at the increased costs. THANKS OBAMA!!!

In a couple months, we'll get to say, "THANKS TRUMP!" for everything.
 
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