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[indycar]

Another issue that I have with illegal immigration is the chance that ISIS could send somebody over the border and America has an attack like France or Germany. It only takes one.

http://www.ibtimes.com/isis-crossin...gglers-sending-money-transfers-middle-2341905

 

[Robert Maxwell]

ISIS doesn't need to send people here to attack us, you know.

 

[indycar]

1. Sounds reasonable.



2. That doesn't answer the question, though.



3. Cool, then I encourage the people who live in those cities not to pay any federal taxes, since their own government wants to likewise punish them.



4. And what if those measures ended up with the situation we have now, with 11 million undocumented immigrants still in the country?

1. Alright then.
2. You asked "What punishment?" and my response was whatever the necessary punishment is. I don't see how that isn't a proper response.
3. They still have to pay federal taxes, if not they will likely go to prison for tax evasion. Of course, their city is already breaking the law.
4. I really doubt that America would have 11 million illegal immigrants if what I've said on this subject was followed.

 

[indycar]

ISIS doesn't need to send people here to attack us, you know.

Just like they didn't in France or Germany.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

2. You asked "What punishment?" and my response was whatever the necessary punishment is. I don't see how that isn't a proper response.

It doesn't answer the question because it doesn't elaborate what's "necessary."

3. They still have to pay federal taxes, if not they will likely go to prison for tax evasion. Of course, their city is already breaking the law.

Good luck with that. Would be interesting to see entire cities--or even whole states--raise a middle finger to the federal government on that one. Suppose a sanctuary city did just fine without federal money and kept on being one. What would you do then? Send in the tanks?

4. I really doubt that America would have 11 million illegal immigrants if what I've said on this subject was followed.

Given that we still have 11 million despite Obama's massive crackdown, I'm gonna say reality demonstrates otherwise.

 

[indycar]

1. It doesn't answer the question because it doesn't elaborate what's "necessary."



2. Good luck with that. Would be interesting to see entire cities--or even whole states--raise a middle finger to the federal government on that one. Suppose a sanctuary city did just fine without federal money and kept on being one. What would you do then? Send in the tanks?



3. Given that we still have 11 million despite Obama's massive crackdown, I'm gonna say reality demonstrates otherwise.

1. It's necessary to deter people from entering this country illegally.
2. If they weren't breaking the law in the first place, we wouldn't have this issue in the first place.
3. He still allowed sanctuary cities and weak borders.

 

[Finn]

I do agree that the system needs to be fixed, but the solution to fixing it is not breaking the law.

Most of those folks aren't in a position to fix it, or conditions that would allow them to wait for the powers to fix it (hint: it's not all on the Mexican government...).

Another issue that I have with illegal immigration is the chance that ISIS could send somebody over the border and America has an attack like France or Germany. It only takes one.

http://www.ibtimes.com/isis-crossin...gglers-sending-money-transfers-middle-2341905

That's bullshit. It is extraordinary difficult for them to do so. Not to mention all the domestic folks we have here that have the potentially to fuck up things a lot more than those folks in the middle east.

 

[indycar]

1. Most of those folks aren't in a position to fix it, or conditions that would allow them to wait for the powers to fix it (hint: it's not all on the Mexican government...).



2. That's bullsh*t. It is extraordinary difficult for them to do so. Not to mention all the domestic folks we have here that have the potentially to f*ck up things a lot more than those folks in the middle east.

1. Perhaps the Mexican government could work to improve their country so people wouldn't want to leave it.
2. It happened in France and Germany. Just look at the Orlando shooting, the shooter went to Saudi Arabia twice and then after he came back, he shoots up a nightclub.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

1. It's necessary to deter people from entering this country illegally.

I asked what the necessary punishments are.

2. If they weren't breaking the law in the first place, we wouldn't have this issue in the first place.

And what's the government going to do about it if the cities decide not to comply?

3. He still allowed sanctuary cities and weak borders.

He did not allow "weak borders." That's simply wrong. Again, what is your proposal to eliminate sanctuary cities? Let's assume taking funding from them doesn't work. What then?

 

[Finn]

1. Mexico isn't entirely responsible. We screwed them in many ways time to time. We cant just tell the government in Mexico City to make things better. Lot of things are beyond their capabilities. The War on Drugs..hello?

2. France and Germany is more...lot more accessible than the US. Orlando? If you look at all the massacres, bombings, etc in the past 25 years, they were nearly all done by folks who have nothing to do those Daesh folks.

 

[{ Emilia }]

Just look at the Orlando shooting, the shooter went to Saudi Arabia twice and then after he came back, he shoots up a nightclub.

So you don't let people back into the US who have traveled to Saudi Arabia at some point?
I mean, seriously... nothing you says addresses the practical issues. It's all just vague goals.

 

[Pingfah]

1. Perhaps the Mexican government could work to improve their country so people wouldn't want to leave it.
2. It happened in France and Germany. Just look at the Orlando shooting, the shooter went to Saudi Arabia twice and then after he came back, he shoots up a nightclub.

The Orlando shooting was committed by an American citizen who went on holiday to somewhere any American citizen could go. You are defeating your own point there.

 

[indycar]

1. I asked what the necessary punishments are.



2. And what's the government going to do about it if the cities decide not to comply?



3. He did not allow "weak borders." That's simply wrong. Again, what is your proposal to eliminate sanctuary cities? Let's assume taking funding from them doesn't work. What then?

1. Now that you want to know what the necessary punishment is, I'd say deportation. If they're not suppose to be here, they shouldn't remain here.
2. They could send in outside forces to enforce the law.
3. If America's borders are so strong, how come illegal immigrants get by it each day? As for eliminating sanctuary cities, I'd say bring in outside forces to enforce the law, as I said above.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

1. Now that you want to know what the necessary punishment is, I'd say deportation. If they're not suppose to be here, they shouldn't remain here.

All 11 million, eh?

2. They could send in outside forces to enforce the law.

And what if private citizens decide to shield undocumented migrants that the feds have come to take away?

3. If America's borders are so strong, how come illegal immigrants get by it each day?

They aren't. Net migration is around zero right now.

As for eliminating sanctuary cities, I'd say bring in outside forces to enforce the law, as I said above.

What kind of "outside forces"?

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

Another issue that I have with illegal immigration is the chance that ISIS could send somebody over the border and America has an attack like France or Germany. It only takes one.

Just like they didn't in France or Germany.

It happened in France and Germany.

You do realize of course that the terrorists in France, Belgium and Germany were actually French, Belgian and German citizens and not illegal immigrants right?

 

[indycar]

1. Mexico isn't entirely responsible. We screwed them in many ways time to time. We cant just tell the government in Mexico City to make things better. Lot of things are beyond their capabilities. The War on Drugs..hello?

2. France and Germany is more...lot more accessible than the US. Orlando? If you look at all the massacres, bombings, etc in the past 25 years, they were nearly all done by folks who have nothing to do those Daesh folks.

1. I admit that Mexico has had issues with America where they came out badly. But I still don't see why they can't spend money to improve their country.
2. I would ask how many of the attackers were influenced by terrorist organizations.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

1. I admit that Mexico has had issues with America where they came out badly. But I still don't see why they can't spend money to improve their country.

What makes you think they don't?

 

[indycar]

The Orlando shooting was committed by an American citizen who went on holiday to somewhere any American citizen could go. You are defeating your own point there.

He may have went there and talked to somebody from ISIS or another terrorist organization.

 

[indycar]

What makes you think they don't?

All the people leaving that country everyday to come to America illegally.

 

[Finn]

1. I admit that Mexico has had issues with America where they came out badly. But I still don't see why they can't spend money to improve their country.
2. I would ask how many of the attackers were influenced by terrorist organizations.

I'm done. You are a...oh right, this is the misc. But how do you measure influence? You...right...the misc.