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Next year’s ‘Star Trek’ reboot may have naked aliens and swearing, CBS digital chief says

Shots of ships flying through space in Star Trek usually add very little, if anything, to advancing the story.

People just like to look at them.

Very true. A Starship moving through space is at least somewhat relevant to Star Trek though isn't it ?

Like I said, let's wait and see when it comes to Discovery.
 
You know, I can imagine sex scenes and nudity more in a TNG-like situation than in a TOS-one. They always presented the latter as something more professional and similar to modern military: relationship between comrades are possible but not so frequent.
Romance, sex and sexuality were a much bigger part of TOS than TNG to my recollection. Kirk was always romancing someone. The women's costumes were designed to titillate. Spock`s plots often contained a romantic element.
 
Very true. A Starship moving through space is at least somewhat relevant to Star Trek though isn't it ?

It rarely moves the story forward.

Police cars and the need for getting around New York were relevant to N.Y.P.D Blue, but since time spent showing cops driving around and parking didn't move stories forward such stuff was infrequently shown.
 
I'll be the first to say it then, to be perfectly clear-I fear it might contribute nothing to the story or the characters, that it will become the center talking point of the Trek series and not build up the characters, regardless of who is in the nude.

I hope that they do it well and actually build up the story and the characters without dipping in to gratuitous levels. But, even though past performance doesn't indicate future production, I'm still skeptical that it won't move in to exploitative territory.

Honestly, I doubt they'll go much farther than the Marvel Netflix shows, if even that far. Again, let's read defensively and pay attention to who's being interviewed and who is shaping the direction of the interview. This was not the producers saying "We are definitely going to show nudity." This was an interviewer asking the CEO of CBS Digital whether the show could go farther than on broadcast TV and the CEO saying that yes, "theoretically," it could. He's not even the guy writing or producing or directing the shows. He's just the guy they answer to. He was asked a question about what CBS All Access would potentially allow in one of its shows and he answered. This is all just theoretical -- he literally used that word.

In the case of the Marvel shows, they're on a distribution service that allows graphic nudity, violence, and profanity, but they still choose to limit how far they go in all three -- farther than network TV, but not all the way to HBO levels. Because their audience still includes a lot of people who are fans of the other, more PG-13 Marvel output, so they don't want to go too far beyond that. I wouldn't be surprised if the makers of new Star Trek felt the same way -- that there should be limits on how far they push the envelope beyond where it's been pushed on past Trek.
 
Shots of ships flying through space in Star Trek usually add very little, if anything, to advancing the story.at them
If nothing else, it would remind the audience that the story takes place on a spaceship and not the hallway of a Holiday Inn.
 
Honestly, I doubt they'll go much farther than the Marvel Netflix shows, if even that far. Again, let's read defensively and pay attention to who's being interviewed and who is shaping the direction of the interview. This was not the producers saying "We are definitely going to show nudity." This was an interviewer asking the CEO of CBS Digital whether the show could go farther than on broadcast TV and the CEO saying that yes, "theoretically," it could. He's not even the guy writing or producing or directing the shows. He's just the guy they answer to. He was asked a question about what CBS All Access would potentially allow in one of its shows and he answered. This is all just theoretical -- he literally used that word.

In the case of the Marvel shows, they're on a distribution service that allows graphic nudity, violence, and profanity, but they still choose to limit how far they go in all three -- farther than network TV, but not all the way to HBO levels. Because their audience still includes a lot of people who are fans of the other, more PG-13 Marvel output, so they don't want to go too far beyond that. I wouldn't be surprised if the makers of new Star Trek felt the same way -- that there should be limits on how far they push the envelope beyond where it's been pushed on past Trek.
Fair enough. I think Daredevil has done a good job, but I don't know if I would tae Trek that route.

Regardless, I remain skeptical and in wait and see mode on Discovery,
 
Because their audience still includes a lot of people who are fans of the other, more PG-13 Marvel output, so they don't want to go too far beyond that. I wouldn't be surprised if the makers of new Star Trek felt the same way -- that there should be limits on how far they push the envelope beyond where it's been pushed on past Trek.
And as I said in another thread, they had tried to add nudes to Stargate SG-1 and then they immediately backpedaled.
 
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It rarely moves the story forward.

Police cars and the need for getting around New York were relevant to N.Y.P.D Blue, but since time spent showing cops driving around and parking didn't move stories forward such stuff was infrequently shown.

A fair point, we should probably ban all Starship shots in the new series, Would save a fortune on the budget.

Seriously, this is a really strange way of coming at this.
 
Honestly, I doubt they'll go much farther than the Marvel Netflix shows, if even that far. Again, let's read defensively and pay attention to who's being interviewed and who is shaping the direction of the interview. This was not the producers saying "We are definitely going to show nudity." This was an interviewer asking the CEO of CBS Digital whether the show could go farther than on broadcast TV and the CEO saying that yes, "theoretically," it could. He's not even the guy writing or producing or directing the shows. He's just the guy they answer to. He was asked a question about what CBS All Access would potentially allow in one of its shows and he answered. This is all just theoretical -- he literally used that word.

In the case of the Marvel shows, they're on a distribution service that allows graphic nudity, violence, and profanity, but they still choose to limit how far they go in all three -- farther than network TV, but not all the way to HBO levels. Because their audience still includes a lot of people who are fans of the other, more PG-13 Marvel output, so they don't want to go too far beyond that. I wouldn't be surprised if the makers of new Star Trek felt the same way -- that there should be limits on how far they push the envelope beyond where it's been pushed on past Trek.


I think some of the earlier episodes of Jessica Jones really pushed the boundaries of what should be appropriate of what a comic book show should be showing.

In particular the scene with Luke and Jessica and the broken bed. Was that really necessary ?
 
Who was exploited, and how?
Alice Eve in STID immediately comes to mind. I tried to show my gf STID because it's a movie I really love (despite that scene), and she felt alienated and insulted by it. And you know what, I felt the same way as someone who cares about this issue. She liked the rest of the movie, but her feelings about it are 100% valid and shared by a lot of other people. It's exploitative.
 
In particular the scene with Luke and Jessica and the broken bed. Was that really necessary ?

Certainly it was necessary. Jessica is an intense, passionate, very lonely and damaged person who's also superhumanly strong. Luke is the first man she ever met who could physically withstand it if she really cut loose (more than the bed could withstand it), and that was a release that she needed as part of her emotional healing process. It was an important moment for her from a character standpoint.

Sex is not intrinsically bad. Done right, it's healthy and healing and life-affirming and it builds trust and caring and respect between the participants. And that's what Luke gave Jessica, for the first time in a long time. It was very important to her character development, to the story of her recovery. The ability to find a healthy, supportive sexual relationship is important for a survivor of sexual abuse, to help overwrite the negative associations they've been made to feel toward their own bodies and the concept of intimacy with positive ones. Jessica and Luke's healthy, loving, openly sexual relationship was an important part of the Alias comics on which the series was based, and it would've made no sense to exclude it from the show.
 
A fair point, we should probably ban all Starship shots in the new series, Would save a fortune on the budget.

Seriously, this is a really strange way of coming at this.

Well, using "serving the story" as the primary justification for ruling stylistic choices in or out is itself myopic at best and disingenuous at worst. That's the point. Film and television is a visual medium first.
 
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