Next year’s ‘Star Trek’ reboot may have naked aliens and swearing, CBS digital chief says

[Nerys Myk]

I'm saying having 7 dress like that contradicted the character she was portraying.

She's a Borg. Body shape is irrelevant. Clothing is irrelevant. Being distracted by either is irrelevant.

Similar with T'Pol. They objectified her too much.

How so? Beyond the catsuit, there wasn't much objectifing. She wasn't bending over to pick up dropped objects or accidentally nude at odd times. Most of the time she was portray as a highly competent member of the crew. She had ups and downs, conflicts and turmoil in her life. Same as most characters, maybe more than some. *cough* Mayweather*cough*

Yes both are meant to be attractive characters and appeal to the male demographic. So were Uhura, Rand and Ilia. So were Troi, Kira and Dax. With Dax they actually changed the make up for Trills as not to hide Farrell's looks. Intendant Kira probably ticks more objectification boxes than Seven or T'Pol.

 

[Romulan_spy]

How so? Beyond the catsuit, there wasn't much objectifing. She wasn't bending over to pick up dropped objects or accidentally nude at odd times. Most of the time she was portray as a highly competent member of the crew.

Except for the decon scenes and the nude scene with Trip.

 

[BillJ]

Except for the decon scenes...

Which was a poor choice and the creators were called on it the day after "Broken Bow" premiered.

...and the nude scene with Trip.

I don't call the tippy-top of the butt crack a "nude scene". But, I'm in my forties and have seen naked women before and after that scene.

 

[RAMA]

My information comes from sources from the time period it aired. However it is corroborated in the Wikipedia entry with a source from the LA Times:

The new show indeed performed well; the pilot's ratings were higher than those of many network programs,[15] and ratings remained comparable to network shows by the end of the first season despite the handicap of each station airing the show on a different day and time, often outside prime time. By the end of the first season, Paramount reportedly received $1 million for advertising per episode, more than the roughly $800,000 fee that networks typically paid for a one-hour show;[11] by 1992, when the budget for each episode had risen to almost $2 million,[16] the studio earned $90 million from advertising annually from first-run episodes, with each 30-second commercial selling for $115,000 to $150,000.[17][18] The show had a 40% return on investment for Paramount, with $30 to $60 million in annual upfront net profit for first-run episodes and another $70 million for strippingrights for each of the about 100 episodes then available, so did not need overseas sales to be successful.[17]

Season 1Edit
Main article: Star Trek: The Next Generation (season 1)
The Next Generation was shot on 35mm film,[19] and the budget for each episode was $1.3 million, among the largest for a one-hour television drama

Today, if you go by inflation, an avg Stng episode would cost $3.24 million. Discovery is indeed the most expensive ST series ever at $6-7 million according to Variety.

Latter episodes Voyager and Enterprise were said to be $1.7 to $1.8 million.


RAMA

It's accurate for 1987 like I already said and like the source I credited says.



Can you provide a link or a credible source like I have done?

 

[Hey Missy]

I watch modern day shows with my nine-year old (honor roll student). I allowed my then five-year old to play Halo back when it came out on the original Xbox (he was an honor student in high school and is a college student now). My daughter was allowed to watch quite a bit of adult fare (she owns her own home now/has a good job/in a long-term relationship). You'll find kids are able to handle a great deal if they have parents willing to discuss things with them.

I don't need stories dumbed down or kiddiefied for my children. The real world is a scary place.

But that's not my point. A lot of parents would be wary about showing their young kids a television program that has dicks 'n' tits and excessive violence in it. I don't know many families that gather around the TV to watch Game of Thrones after dinner.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Except for the decon scenes and the nude scene with Trip.

Not exceptions. Covered under the "not much" phrase. And if Trip is nude and other characters are nude or in their underwear too the scenes aren't quite the same aa a strip tease or lingering shower scene. Might well call the wake up scene in Alien exploitative because Weaver is partially nude.

 

[Kevin Wolff]

From the 50-year mission:

“In the initial concept of Enterprise, Archer would be joined by T’Pau, a younger version of the role played by Celia Lovsky as “all of Vulcan in one package” in “Amok Time,” a beloved episode of the original series. Outraged fans put an end to that notion, having expressed the feeling that replacing the distinguished and regal Vulcan matriarch with the show’s resident sexpot was a bridge too far”

 

[Kevin Wolff]

Rick Berman quote from 50-yr mission:

“Bringing in Jeri Ryan as Seven of Nine was a similar situation to bringing Worf into Deep Space Nine: the ratings were slipping and the studio came to us and said, “What can you do to spice things up a little bit?” And the idea was, what if we brought a babe into the show, but have her be a Borg?”

 

[Nerys Myk]

From the 50-year mission:

“In the initial concept of Enterprise, Archer would be joined by T’Pau, a younger version of the role played by Celia Lovsky as “all of Vulcan in one package” in “Amok Time,” a beloved episode of the original series. Outraged fans put an end to that notion, having expressed the feeling that replacing the distinguished and regal Vulcan matriarch with the show’s resident sexpot was a bridge too far”

, Sounds like the writer is making some assumptions here, since no one would know she was the "sexpot" yet. She hadn't been cast or costumed. I'm not even sure the pilot had been written at that point. It was for financial reasons they didn't use T'Pau. Using the character would mean paying the author of "Amok Time" every time she was on screen and she would be on screen a lot.

Rick Berman quote from 50-yr mission:

“Bringing in Jeri Ryan as Seven of Nine was a similar situation to bringing Worf into Deep Space Nine: the ratings were slipping and the studio came to us and said, “What can you do to spice things up a little bit?” And the idea was, what if we brought a babe into the show, but have her be a Borg?”

And your emphasis of the word "babe" means what? We know why the character was brought on the show. No one thinks otherwise. If anything is shows they were thinking about the dichotomy of Borg being an very attractive woman. Could Berman have used a different word? Sure. But it doesn't strike me as some sort of smoking gun of sexism.

 

[Sakonna]

At the time it was airing, Seven's costume drove me insane, but I recently had a discussion with some non-Trek-fan friends that maybe turned me around on it. Though none of them had ever been regular Trek viewers, they all knew Seven Of Nine and the basics of her character. I was remarking "wasn't that costume ridiculous and objectifying", and everyone argued with me... they all saw it as an obvious attempt for sex appeal, but also described it as striking, alien, memorable. (I suppose it's worth mentioning this was a diverse group of men & women, and not a pack of straight men)

Basically, I came away from it wondering if the success of Seven wasn't DESPITE her visual presentation -- if the look and costuming of the character may have been a crucial ingredient in the successful formula of that character all along.

(But also, the other Trek characters my friends knew were Kirk, Spock, Picard, Data, and Scotty -- so in my mind these are now the 6 most iconic Trek characters -- and Scotty gets in on a technicality, in that everyone knows him through a catchphrase. But I look at that list and also want to write a gender studies thesis about how the only female Trek character to penetrate mainstream audience awareness has to be wearing a skintight catsuit with 10 lbs of bra padding)

So, I guess I remain somewhat conflicted, though I'm on a gradual trend of finding the wardrobe less objectionable, given that the writing and performance were so strong for the character...

 

[The Overlord]

How much violence should be in this show? Should the Klingons commit barbaric acts on screen? Usually their worst acts seem to happen off screen.

 

[BillJ]

I don't know many families that gather around the TV to watch Game of Thrones after dinner.

Maybe they should be. That way kids aren't blindsided by the real world where most of humanity is garbage.

From the 50-year mission:

“In the initial concept of Enterprise, Archer would be joined by T’Pau, a younger version of the role played by Celia Lovsky as “all of Vulcan in one package” in “Amok Time,” a beloved episode of the original series. Outraged fans put an end to that notion, having expressed the feeling that replacing the distinguished and regal Vulcan matriarch with the show’s resident sexpot was a bridge too far”

*cough*bullshit*cough*

T'Pau became T'Pol for the same reason Nick Locarno became Tom Paris: they didn't want to pay royalties to the writer who originally created the character for the entirety of the series. Fans had zero to do with it.

Thanks for posting that passage from the book. Now I know it is garbage and not to waste money on it.

 

[BillJ]

A lot of parents would be wary about showing their young kids a television program that has dicks 'n' tits and excessive violence in it. I don't know many families that gather around the TV to watch Game of Thrones after dinner.

Another thought: watch Fuller House with your kids and leave Star Trek for the grownups and the grownups who want to watch it with their kids.

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

I don't know many families that gather around the TV to watch Game of Thrones after dinner.

Maybe they should be. That way kids aren't blindsided by the real world where most of humanity is garbage.

Yeah, because brother-sister incest sex scenes are a great way to raise your offspring and prepare them from the dangers of the real world.

 

[m.lp.ql.m]

Wow. Do parents no longer speak to their children? Is it out of laziness or just fear? If you assume your kids are so stupid (genetics?) as to imitate and cement a way of life based on everything they see on TV, talk to them about it. What's the big deal? Why is that so difficult?

My wife and I would frequently watch GoT and TWD with our daughter present. She hated the violence on those shows, I suspect, not because we talked about those shows specifically with her, but because we talked about real life things that were much worse.

 

[fireproof78]

Wow. Do parents no longer speak to their children? Is it out of laziness or just fear? If you assume your kids are so stupid (genetics?) as to imitate and cement a way of life based on everything they see on TV, talk to them about it. What's the big deal? Why is that so difficult?

My wife and I would frequently watch GoT and TWD with our daughter present. She hated the violence on those shows, I suspect, not because we talked about those shows specifically with her, but because we talked about real life things that were much worse.

Every child is different.

 

[BillJ]

Yeah, because brother-sister incest sex scenes are a great way to raise your offspring and prepare them from the dangers of the real world.

Children are pretty smart, and I can assure you most can pick up on context and figure out that it is wrong. But, that is why you discuss the contents of anything you think they may not understand with them.

Every child is different.

Doesn't change that it does them any good to hide the real world from them.

 

[fireproof78]

Children are pretty smart, and I can assure you most can pick up on context and figure out that it is wrong. But, that is why you discuss the contents of anything you think they may not understand with them.



Doesn't change that it does them any good to hide the real world from them.

Not hiding them but recognizing how to introduce them. Which, may or may not include GoT.

 

[BillJ]

Not hiding them but recognizing how to introduce them. Which, may or may not include GoT.

I'm not suggesting Game of Thrones as a starting point for a three-year old. But, if an older child shows an interest in such a show, I think the best thing a parent can do is watch it with the child and discuss in what ways it is and is not like the real world. What is and isn't acceptable in the real world.

Making it "forbidden fruit" just forces most children to figure out how to watch it on their own and be deceptive about doing it.

 

[fireproof78]

I'm not suggesting Game of Thrones as a starting point for a three-year old. But, if an older child shows an interest in such a show, I think the best thing a parent can do is watch it with the child and discuss in what ways it is and is not like the real world. What is and isn't acceptable in the real world.

Making it "forbidden fruit" just forces most children to figure out how to watch it on their own and be deceptive about doing it.

Fair enough.