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Who is going to win this election in November?

Who will win the general presidential election?

  • Donald Trump

    Votes: 37 22.7%
  • Hillary Clinton

    Votes: 126 77.3%

  • Total voters
    163
  • Poll closed .
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If they don't openly support it, they at least find it acceptable from a President. I'm not sure how that's better, but I'm trying to give them some benefit of a doubt. They may not have even thought about their choice either, that's certainly possible.

Still the result is the same. We're going to have a President who ran on a platform of hatred, sexism, racism and bigotry and I'm expected to suck it up and let them run me over.
 
I already responded to that argument. Not true. There is no religious basis for denying service to a particular race. At least not if you are a Christian. There is no reference in the bible to racial supremacy or division being okay.

Bible scholars can debate that I guess, but I can point you to websites right now that make a religious argument against interracial marriage. I won't post a link because they are generally white supremacists, but if you really want to see for yourself, Google "scriptural basis miscegenation" or something similar. The judge in the criminal case that eventually led to the Loving v. Virginia decision in the Supreme Court wrote:
Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And but for the interference with his arrangement there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix.
So let's not pretend that no one could possibly raise a religious objection to making a cake for an interracial wedding in just the same way as for a same-sex wedding.

But on a larger point, if the electorate of a state decides that sexual orientation and gender identity should be protected from discrimination in the same way as race, shouldn't that be the final word on the subject?
 
But, there is nothing in the bible that supports that view.
No, there isn't. But that doesn't stop some people from taking phrases from the Bible (or the Koran, for that matter) and using them to excuse and / or justify their fear and / or hatred of anything or anyone "different". To say otherwise is disingenuous and dishonest. And when people in positions of authority are the ones taking those phrases and using them to justify their racism, their homophobia, their sexism, their intolerance, their ignorance, their inability or unwillingness to understand anyone and anything they don't like, damage is done. People are hurt. And given the viewpoints openly stated by people like Trump and (in particular) this Pence...person, a lot of people are going to be hurt. Good people are going to have their lives upended or destroyed because "christians" are (mis)using the Bible to justify themselves and for their own warped ends. Christians everywhere are obligated to speak up about this and to stand with the oppressed, the marginalised, the "outcasts" who are facing this sort of discrimination. It's what Christ did and it's what Christians - as opposed to "christians" - must do. It's certainly what I plan to do.
 
Do you even remember that election? Things were a little tense.
Yes I do remember it. Things were "tense" because Gore couldn't accept the results of the election and tried to sue in order to change Florida election law. It was the most sad and pathetic display from election losers Ive ever seen. Until this past week that is.
 
Yes I do remember it. Things were "tense" because Gore couldn't accept the results of the election and tried to sue in order to change Florida election law. It was the most sad and pathetic display from election losers Ive ever seen. Until this past week that is.

Imagine people being unhappy that a racist buffoon has been elected president.

Sheesh ! some folks eh ?
 
Yes I do remember it. Things were "tense" because Gore couldn't accept the results of the election and tried to sue in order to change Florida election law. It was the most sad and pathetic display from election losers Ive ever seen. Until this past week that is.
As pathetic as the candidate and his followers moaning the election is rigged just in case he lost?
 
There probably is no limit. The worst tyrants in human history have often received perfectly willing and enthusiastic support from the populations of their countries and many to this day still make excuses for men like Hitler, Stalin and Mao even though all three were mass murderers and criminals on a historic scale. When somebody living in the year 2016 can look you straight in the eye and with a serious tone of voice defend the records of some of the most bloodthirsty human beings in the history of our species then, no, there is no limit for some of us.
 
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TFW identity politics were utterly worthless. :p
 
Trump wants his Trump University trial delayed until after he is sworn in.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/13/us/tr...l-delay-sought0854PMStoryLink&linkId=31110034

If Trump has the trial delayed and is sworn in then he will be immune from any prosecution as the President of the United States of America.

I think the whole issue with the FBI and Comey releasing the e-mails concerning Hillary is that the emails were used to ridicule her character so that Trump would be elected President so that Trump could receive immunity from prosecution regarding the Trump University scam.

I think that Trump ran for President and was aggressive the way he was because he wanted to become president just to avoid being prosecuted for the Trump University scam.
 
Well, I think we can all now safely say that Trump running wasn't a Bill-and-Hillary conspiracy to destroy the Republican Party from within and put them back in the White House. If it were, Hillary is a lot more incompetent than even her detractors thought.
 
He didn't say that. Repeating the lie over and over doesn't make it true.

He as good as said it. I'm not going to argue on semantics.

You want sympathy for those that have gone nuts over an election result

Who says?

but have none for innocent people being attacked for excercising their right to vote.

People with no regard for the lives of others aren't innocent. They are complicit and they are guilty.

Violence is perfectly reasonable for you when it's against the other side. Typical leftie.

Where I come from, when we say smash fascism, we mean it.

Yes he is. Pretty sure The US is not in Europe though.

So, you believe that MEPs shouldn't leave Europe then?

He's a hate filled bigot who should be in prison for numerous examples of inciting racial hatred. He has no credibility with any politician of substance.

True.

Trump should steer well clear.

They sound like the perfect pair.
 
Trump wants his Trump University trial delayed until after he is sworn in.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/13/us/tr...l-delay-sought0854PMStoryLink&linkId=31110034

If Trump has the trial delayed and is sworn in then he will be immune from any prosecution as the President of the United States of America.

I think the whole issue with the FBI and Comey releasing the e-mails concerning Hillary is that the emails were used to ridicule her character so that Trump would be elected President so that Trump could receive immunity from prosecution regarding the Trump University scam.

I think that Trump ran for President and was aggressive the way he was because he wanted to become president just to avoid being prosecuted for the Trump University scam.


I didn't think the US President was above the law. But it's not as if former GOP presidents did hold views like "Well, when the president does it, that means it is not illegal."

Besides why should any immunity if any such immunity exist apply retrospectively to acts commited prior to being elected. Also isn't the GOP more the party of Law and Order in the USA?
 
And how.

"The other" was the perfect scapegoat in this election. White working- and middle-class America on one side. Everybody else who wants a piece of your pie on the other. Don't like the way they're looking at your stuff? Vote for me.
 
In 2000, Gore filed suit for recount in four counties with large number of Democrat voters. Under Florida law, a candidate could request a manual recount. When Gore filed the suits, Bush was ahead by 327 votes. Gore did not challenge the recount vote in counties with large number of Republican voters. So, Gore did as was allowed by law at the time.

Reince Priebus was named Chief of Staff for the Trump Administration, and Steve Bannon, of Breitbart fame and Trump CEO campaign manager, was named as chief strategist and senior counselor on the transition team. Bannon has openly stated and ,through his site, supported white supremacist views.

Bannon is described by former workers as a smarter Trump. He is a "vindictive, nasty figure, infamous for verbally abusing supposed friends and threatening enemies."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/reince-priebus-trump-chief-of-staff_us_5828d4e7e4b060adb56ef668

http://www.dailywire.com/news/8441/i-know-trumps-new-campaign-chairman-steve-bannon-ben-shapiro#

This article lists the members of the Trump transition team. The Heritage Foundation is well represented, along with people who believe in the far right philosophies.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/10737/meet-new-members-trump-team-aaron-bandler
 
Well, I think we can all now safely say that Trump running wasn't a Bill-and-Hillary conspiracy to destroy the Republican Party from within and put them back in the White House. If it were, Hillary is a lot more incompetent than even her detractors thought.

Hillary wasn't running a destroy the Republican Party from within campaign. Hillary was running a campaign based on social issues that only a conspiracy theorist would think was a front for destroying the Republican Party, which really doesn't need any help in destroying its own party.



I didn't think the US President was above the law. But it's not as if former GOP presidents did hold views like "Well, when the president does it, that means it is not illegal."

Besides why should any immunity if any such immunity exist apply retrospectively to acts commited prior to being elected. Also isn't the GOP more the party of Law and Order in the USA?


The trial hasn't begun yet. Trump wants the trial delayed in order to use the Office of the President as buffer against being charged with a crime. Trump hasn't been charged with a crime yet because the trial hasn't taken place yet. The GOP is the Party of Law and Order when it suits them.

Here is the phone call message that I made to all of the GOP HQ east of Texas yesterday. Those I couldn't leave the message with I left it as an e-mail message:


With Mike Pence taking the transition of power over for Trump, Donald Trump has effectively stepped away from his first responsibility of being President-Elect which is to ensure the correct people are appointed to the offices in the President's cabinet based on Trump's expertise in assigning such roles based on experience that he has obtained from his many years of being a CEO.

Because Trump is having Mike Pence conduct the transition of power personally and not Trump himself, Trump is ducking responsibility which means that those who are appointed by Mike Pence and Mike Pence himself will take the blame for any failures in the agenda of Trump because like Trump's Trump University scam Trump did not appoint those under him and therefore was not held responsible for their actions even though it was his company.

Was not left as a part of the message
In retrospect of the Trump University scam Trump is now asking that the trial be delayed until he is sworn as President in order to use the office of the President as immunity against being charged with a crime.

With Trump having the same mentality as President means that a lot of problems are going to take place that Trump will not have to take responsibility for because he was not the one who appointed those who made the mistakes.
Trump can't handle the burden of being in command because he cannot handle the burden of issuing orders or agendas himself that would have serious if not a fatal affect on his image. He therefore appoints others to lead the fight as he sits back and watches the fight. If the fight goes his way he will take full credit. If not then he will blame those that Mike Pence appointed.

A real president would have confidence in himself to appoint those in his cabinet. Only someone who is not sure of himself would have the Vice President Elect appoint the cabinet to create a buffer between Trump and failure.
Does America really want a President who puts the blame on someone else because he can't step up and appoint his own cabinet knowing that he will be held responsible for the actions of those in his cabinet because he appointed them personally?

Will those appointed by Pence really want to take the abuse from Trump when his policies fail and the credit taken by Trump when his polices are a success?

Do the electors of the Electoral College really want blamed for electing Trump when his failed policies are turned around on them for electing Trump as Trump walks away blaming those who elected him for making him enforce their failed agenda?
 
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