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Voyager condensed into one season
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How interesting. The Kazon were so nauseatingly inferior I was nothing but happy to see them go. They seemed particularly intellectually challenged, which I have no patience for. And I hate Seska too. And Henry Starling. Yecch.
To each his own I guess.
I actually can't even make a list, I like them all so much! Well ... with a few exceptions. But that would still leave me with 160 favourite episodes of Voyager ...
However, number 1 is undoubtedly SCORPION for me. That much is clear. Then everything else is ... second favourite ... xD.
i like that episode a lot.
Braga, Bryan Fuller and Michael Taylor wrote that insulting piece of s**t.
I read somewhere that they spent Christmas writing it.
Oh, what a nice gift to the Kes fans, wasn't it?
They spent two seasons trying to pretend that Kes never existed. During that time she was never mentioned and never showed up in any flashbacks either.
But then, all of a sudden they brought back the character, only to humiliate and destroy her and then there were no problems in bringing back the actress as well.
Wow. You must really like Kes. Well, I liked the Wesley Crusher character and hated what they did to him, now that you make me think of it. FWIW, I hated that final Kes episode. It made no logical sense.
I think what he's saying is something can be intellectually challenging but that doesn't mean he has to like it.
Or not. He can speak for himself when he comes back online.
No. I'm saying that weak episodes are the ones for me that are boring. But for some obscure reason you enjoy twisting this sentence of mine into all sorts of absurd statements so I'll leave it at that. It seems that this sentence of mine is too intellectually challenging for you to understand so I won't write it down again for the umpteenth time.
I know that but I find it strange that she thinks CARETAKER is part of a plot against her and then nothing else is from the first three seasons.
IM saying the effects on the ocampan lifespan were indirectly caused by the nacene screwing up the atmosphere.
Yeah I don't get that people say Voyager was saved by Seven/Jeri Ryan and the sex appeal yet somehow bringing Worf on board with DS9 didn't buoy that show as well? That leads me to a larger point people say Voyager rehashed TNG-I don't understand that really.
Okay that's look at that
Q-3 maybe 4 episodes on Voyager
Borg-its the delta quadrant anyway the borg were involved directly in maybe 12 episodes.
Riker-one episode same as first Q episode
Barclay and troi-two maybe three episodes total
Klingon epiosdes-maybe 4 at the most
Ferengi-one episode
DS9
Multiple ferengi episodes like two a season
At least 5-10 Klingon episodes
Riker(clone)-crossover
Q-one episode
Borg-whole show is built on the aftermath of 359 battle and its effect on a particular captain a few references therafter
Picard-emissary
Lxawana troi-one or two episodes
While DS9 invented the dominion, Breen and expanded on quite a few things I would argue it took TNG elements and fleshed them out
Maquis
Bajorans
CardassiansRomulans
Trill
Which collectively the previous four items made up large parts of the show-some might say no no those things acquired their own life and were developed beyond TNG to which I will reply yes that's true but they were derivative still
The dog ran to the river=TNG
The big mangy happy dog ran quickly and serendipitously towards over the bank and towards the river=DS9
While the second sentence is more developed and "meaty" than the first it is still derivative of the first sentence
Now original species on Voyager
Kazon(don't attack me they were an original species regardless of what you think of them)
Ocampa
Vidiians
Voth
Vaadvuar
Turei
among many others
Now let's look at original DS9 elements/species
the Wadi
the founders/jem hadar/vorta
Section 31
Department of Temporal Investigations
Holographic planet
Quite a few time travel episodes
Oh and I forgot the mirror universe saga which is a direct continuation of TOS's "Mirror Mirror"
Tribbles
the Augments
Voyager at most had a few episodes that were in the spirit of TOS
Blood fever
Thaw
Demon
Tuvok/sulu episode
Now we can talk about acting, consistency, drama and all the rest but when people say Voyager is totally TNG season 8 I wish I had this handy.
the tuvok/sulu episode I forget
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Erm...nah. ..but thanks.
I didn't like the episode, I found the concept silly. It's one of very small amount of Voyager episodes I wasn't keen on.
Sorry if this offends you.
Well, I do like Kes!
As for Wesley Crusher, he wasn't my absolute favorite on TNG but a good character as I saw it. I could never understand the hatred many fans showed for him.
I wasn't too happy with "Journey's End", I would rather have seen Wesley graduate to become a Starfleet officer. At least they didn't kill him or destroy him as they did with Kes in that crap episode in season 6.
I never hated Wesley but I can understand why some people did. He was too smart, too good, it came off as annoying
Yeah I wouldn't say I hated him in say an.....Anna Lucia from Lost sort of way.
I wasn't a fan though.
I don't know the Lost reference sorry LOL but I wouldn't say that I HATE any fictional character. That is too strong of an emotion for something that doesn't exist.
Well, that is on my list of shows I want to watch. If I ever get to it we'll see hahaYou'd change your mind during season two of Lost.
I'm not twisting your words at all. you said the intellectually challenging episodes (much like the intellectually challenging novel "War and Peace") do not hold your attention. I'm agreeing with you, and explaining that many people including many people in my life prefer simpler things that are not particularly deep or intellectual.
What I have a problem with is your choice of words. Things that are simple, superficial and do not challenge the imagination are weak. Things that have depth, complexity, nuance, and challenge the reader intellectually by their very definition, are certainly not weak. I think the weakness in that case is on the other side of the equation.
No he's saying that things that he finds things that are intellectually challenging 'weak'. If he just said that he doesn't like things he finds difficult to understand, I wouldn't be so confused. How can something be weak and complex, intellectually challenging, and nuanced at the same time?
It's like saying some food that is heavily seasoned and spicy "has no taste" rather than "doesn't taste good to me".
You assume you have the ability to decide episodes are intellectually challenging and which are not. You make it sound like if you say an episode is intellectually challenging, then it is. That's pretty arrogant. Everyone can decide for themselves if they find an episode intellectually challenging or not.The ones at the end of season 6 that I'm not that keen on are NOT at all challenging intellectually in my book. This explains why I find them weaker and more boring than the rest of Voyager. I'm sure there are episodes that you don't like and I do and the idea of telling you that you are not at the intellectual level to see how intellectually challenging those episodes are would not enter my mind. Well, at least it never has until now. But you force me into this defensive position with your false sense of superior intellect so maybe I could say about a few episodes that you don't like that they are too intellectually challenging for you.
You could not possibly be more wrong.
First of all, you were the one who brought up not being able to enjoy things that were too intellectually challenging. You used "War and Peace" as an example. Your friends (and the rest of the world) consider it intellectually challenging literature, you can't read past the beginning. It was your point, don't blame me for jumping on it . Also, you said (I paraphrase) that an angle beyond one's comprehension in a plot shouldn't -have- to be explained. You implied that if something was too subtle, nuanced or complex for you to grasp, it was obviously 'weak'.
I INVITE information, explanation or a different perspective... I can't tell you how many times in my life that learning about something (through discussion or research) allowed me to see things in a completely different perspective, which drastically altered my interest and enjoyment.
I don't know what you're going on about. You said you don't like things that are too cerebral, and I said perhaps you would change your mind if you saw them from a different perspective, and that it's possible to enjoy them more once you do. You argue this vehemently, instead of considering it. It seems to me that your nature is to be rigid in your thinking.
