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Does anyone think that Beyond was something of a missed opportunity?

I really liked it when I saw it in the theater, but know that I saw it again ... I don't know, there were just too many things that didn't make sense. And it felt a bit rushed at times. Maybe too many scenes ended up on the cutting room floor that should have been in the final movie after all? I hope for an extended cut ... which will probably never come.
 
It was a safe film, but it was great for what it was and probably the sensible option for the 50th anniversary.

I'd have loved to have seen a follow-up to Into Darkness in both plot and tone (it had a few flaws, but I found it ambitious and interesting), but I understand and appreciate what they did.

Can definitely understand why it felt a bit flat to some critics and viewers, though.

Oh, and I don't agree at all with the assertion that ID was a "rehash" of TWoK.
Yeah, I never agreed with that idea that ST ID rehashed TWOK. Except for one scene, it was its own thing, setting up a far more militant Starfleet and the hawkish nature of the leadership's response to perceived threats. It was far more fascinating on a psychological level to see Kirk's, Spock's and Marcus' responses to events from ST 09.

I think Beyond could have explored the broader issues with the Klingons but I think the concept of exploring the consequences of exploration was also well done. Beyond felt a lot more like an episode of TOS in tone to me.
 
Beyond was a great movie..................and a COMPLETE wasted opportunity. There was no marketing plan that made any sense for our current media culture (<24 hour news cycle, etc.). And while the movie was such a GREAT intro to the characters, and felt like a Star Trek story - it didn't really offer a ton that was new to the franchise. Just look at the Marvel movies - there's a ton of diversity in the characters and settings. From Iron Man, to Ant Man, to Thor, to Doctor Strange, to Guardians of the Galaxy, the casual moviegoer knows they'll get something different each time, even if a particular movie doesn't work as well as the others. By comparison, Paramount is like Ford and GM, mentally locked in a mindset that as long as something has their name on it, people will want it. But the internet has too many dissenting voices for that strategy to work any more. You need to be GREAT EVERY SINGLE TIME these days because people will leave your property to find something great. I think everyone who worked on Beyond did an awesome job - give them a free hand and time to make the next one even better, and let them take chances.
 
The only thing I didn't like about beyond, in terms of missed opportunities, is that for all this team talk about the relationships and doing new daring things, and this being another reality, they didn't really deliver what they kept preaching about. JJ did that better and he's a better storyteller for me.

For a start, they split the group to have different character dynamics (in theory) beyond Kirk/Spock, but they wasted this opportunity because, in reality, saved for Spock/Bones we didn't really see them doing that much with Uhura/Sulu and Kirk/Chekov. And Spock/Bones' banter or the old trio dynamic is not 'new' anyway. It's, in fact, a nod to tos or, to some, pandering a bit to those conservative old fans who lamented the first movies were blasphemy for daring to 'replace' Mccoy with Uhura (when they really didn't, but this is another discussion)

JJ&co gave me a contemporary reboot where things are allowed that tos didn't allow. I had an Uhura elevated to the original trio level, I had new Spock/Uhura and Kirk/Uhura dynamics adding to the bromances with Kirk/Spock and Kirk/Bones.. a trek whose interpersonal relationships weren't limited to male friendship only. Star trek beyond went backwards a bit and replaced that with Spock/Mccoy (and the Scotty show lol!) and tried to restore the original trio dynamic at the expense of the new dynamics of the reboot .. How is that a bold, daring, modern and progressive move?
I mean, everything is good and fine but don't pretend you are the revolution and the other team is the one who kept everything 'tos safe' when you actually are the one who kept things tos safe. I'm not surprised, in fact, that Beyond did better with old conservative fans who didn't like 'change' in the first movies.


tl dr: who cares about the fails in the villain story, I don't watch these movies for the villain story or any new character I won't see again after that movie. I watch for the potential of the reboot doing things WITH THE ICONIC CHARACTERS that the old thing didn't and couldn't do in the freaking 60s; and I'm not talking about special effects here.

Beyond is a good movie but it feels like a tos fanfiction rather than a continuation of what the other team created and THAT potential. Lin is just a tos fan for the memories he has as a kid, but I never got the impression he likes and 'gets' THIS (THIS) version of trek and THIS (THIS) version of the characters. I never got the impression the alternate reality truly inspired him. Someone who describes Kirk, Spock and Mccoy as if they had in the reboot the same exact roles they had in tos (Spock and Mccoy being the angel and devil at Kirk' sides with him playing the balance between the two) makes me think he didn't even watch the first two movies, honestly. Let alone get that JJ&co fundamentally changed the main characters in a way that made those symbolic 'roles' redundant and useless here.

So IDK, maybe the next movie, if any, will have a chance if we get a director who, regardless he loved old trek or not, liked this reboot a lot or enough to invest into these characters beyond tos homages and a 'tos origin story' limbo.
We need someone who is a bit like Nimoy was when he watched the first movie and saw new Spock and he was like whoa! I like the differences, I like the new things..I never thought about that but it's a good idea with potential.
Someone who thinks there is more to these characters than what they did in tos.
 
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Beyond was mediocre at best. Nothing sets it apart form any of the other summer blockbusters...

I don't even think it was mediocre.

Maybe it's just me, but I thought it was amongst the worst ST films ever made. I thought it was better than only Nemesis and Insurrection...I honestly would rather sit through The Final Frontier than watch Beyond again and this is coming from who loved ST 09 and thought Into Darkness was pretty good despite all it's well documented flaws....I don't understand why so many people on this board love Beyond.
 
I'd have liked to see more status quo changes in Into Darkness and Beyond. ID brought along Carol Marcus for the five-year mission then she's presumably left the ship or is unseen below decks for Beyond.

As much as I LOVE the Enterprise-A sequence at the end of STB, I was kinda hoping they'd fix up the Franklin and lead a much smaller ragtag crew on future missions. Then bring out the Enterprise-A in a movie or two.

That would be great. The Franklin as their "bird of prey" for the 4th movie! ;)

I would have really liked having the "A" (as in, Constitution "Enterprise" class from the original films) to be presented in its original form as the newest upgrade at the end of the JJ movies.
 
I don't even think it was mediocre.

Maybe it's just me, but I thought it was amongst the worst ST films ever made. I thought it was better than only Nemesis and Insurrection...I honestly would rather sit through The Final Frontier than watch Beyond again and this is coming from who loved ST 09 and thought Into Darkness was pretty good despite all it's well documented flaws....I don't understand why so many people on this board love Beyond.
Well, for my money:
  • Very introspective piece, with Kirk feeling a sense of purposelessness.
  • Strong engagement by all the main cast and individual moments to shine.
  • Interesting villain with a backstory that I could appreciate.
  • Unique use of technology that really showcased Star Trek tech in way referenced to, but not really shown before. I love the alien working in the translator, and showing at it develops the translation for a new language.
  • The movie had a genuine humor about it that felt very warm and self-aware. It was willing to not take itself too seriously, and have a good balance of self-reflection, character moments, action moments and funny moments.
There's more and my rewatching of it will likely trip more. But, it was fun, pure and simple, as well as emotional. I teared up a couple of times.
 
Ah, Trekkies.

Trekkies: "The new movies aren't anything like STAR TREK. Give us a movie that feels more like STAR TREK."

Gets movie that captures the original STAR TREK spirit of being out on the frontier.

Trekkies: "It's just a rehash. We want something fresh, something that takes chances. Oh, and Klingons too, because that's fresh and new."
 
Ah, Trekkies.

Trekkies: "The new movies aren't anything like STAR TREK. Give us a movie that feels more like STAR TREK."

Gets movie that captures the original STAR TREK spirit of being out on the frontier.

Trekkies: "It's just a rehash. We want something fresh, something that takes chances. Oh, and Klingons too, because that's fresh and new."
Yep. This is how I feel about ST 09 as well. It was new and fresh and did feel like Star Trek at the same time. Most of the story beats and developments are based out of something from Star Trek if not one of the spin offs. Beyond did that even more so, with the added interesting development that the enemy was within the whole time. If that isn't classic Star Trek storytelling, I honestly don't know what to say at that point.

"We have met the enemy, and he is us."
 
When I found out Pegg was writing it I preconceived a very much more 'Trekky' movie.

And you got a very much more 'Trekky' movie. So 'Trekky' that it is close to killing the feature film franchise.
 
Personally I thought Beyond was the best Trek film since First Contact. And it's in my Top 3 (along with TUC and WOK). It had a strong story, great characterization (Kirk acting like a seasoned captain finally!), and a solid Trek message.

Like anything though, it's not perfect. If I were the screenwriter, I would have resolved the conflict without having to kill Krall. Find a way to redeem him, or just disarm and capture him. I'm thinking like, Daystrom in The Ultimate Computer, let's say.

Other than that, I walked out of Beyond totally happy and thrilled.
 
Something about the Marvel and Star Wars universes is that there is a feeling of a larger universe. The Star Trek universe feels small. In Beyond, the action takes place in a small area. And the more successful films are films which build upon earlier films - it seems, that like tv, audiences are moving to serialized films and away from episodic films for franchises. Suicide Squad was crud, yet it made its money back for many reasons, including a reason mentioned here, it was part of a larger story which began two films ago and will be added to in the next year.

My mother felt the film was tired and did not go anywhere. For her, it was dominated by explosions and violence.
 
Personally I thought Beyond was the best Trek film since First Contact. And it's in my Top 3 (along with TUC and WOK). It had a strong story, great characterization (Kirk acting like a seasoned captain finally!), and a solid Trek message.

Like anything though, it's not perfect. If I were the screenwriter, I would have resolved the conflict without having to kill Krall. Find a way to redeem him, or just disarm and capture him. I'm thinking like, Daystrom in The Ultimate Computer, let's say.

Other than that, I walked out of Beyond totally happy and thrilled.
While I think ST 09 is the better film, Beyond hits all the TOS Trek tones for me, with an incredible Trek message. I do agree that the perfect Trek cap off would have been Krall surviving and ending up with Garth at the penal colony ;)

I must see films differently, because when I watched it, the action did not stand out to me, save for Kirk's final battle, and the initial attack. The initial attack was just straight up a stress fest of trying to save the ship, including Uhura's decision. The final battle was incredibly dynamic given what had gone one before.

The moments that stood out are Kirk and Bones early on, as well as the montage of what the crew is struggling with in being in deep space for so long. I love Scotty's working with the Franklin and figuring out how to make it all work. The crew works together in a way that feels very seasoned and family. They are far more unified than in the previous two iterations and their growth shows through.
 
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