the advance in sustainable energy and low cost of goods combined with afull global resource and lack of cost in storage and transportation would elimante almost all cost of bringing goods to marke it will all make sense once we start buikding and maintaining robots in the real world i predict about 2031 we should all be working in the robot factory
History of Star Trek having no "money"
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True. Picard does say "money doesn't exist in the twenty-fourth century", but that statement could (as with many examples seen in Trek) simply mean a lack of physical currency. Or, perhaps, that he means Earth alone (Lily's field of reference only being Earth/humans) does not use it within it's own boundaries. The words are ambiguous enough to be interpreted either way. He goes on to say, "The acquisition of wealth is no longer the driving force in our lives.", which again doesn't preclude the idea that, while the acquisition of wealth doesn't drive them or their lives, they may still require some form of salary in order to 'pay their way' around the galaxy.
Slone does specifically say something to the effect of: "So, you don't get paid?" If Picard was getting a paycheck, he would've said "yes," right?
Interesting point.
I guess it depends on philosophy.We're told that 24th century humans are not conditioned to "need" or "want". They don't 'desire' material possessions. That's a mindset.
Picard may not look at it in terms on 'getting paid', because he personally doesn't use it as an end to itself, but more like some kind of an expenses account that just happens to be associated with his job.
The job being the goal, not the money.
The 'paycheck', so to speak, means nothing more than that to him. Unlike to us 21st century folk, who may actually desire material wealth.
Or the AI robots will have us all working in the mines.
And if Picard wasn't getting a paycheck, he would've said "no" ... right?
It wouldn't surprise me if Picard isn't saving up for his own little ship for a post-Starfleet hobby of flying around the galaxy, hunting for lost artifacts.True. Picard does say "money doesn't exist in the twenty-fourth century", but that statement could (as with many examples seen in Trek) simply mean a lack of physical currency. Or, perhaps, that he means Earth alone (Lily's field of reference only being Earth/humans) does not use it within it's own boundaries. The words are ambiguous enough to be interpreted either way. He goes on to say, "The acquisition of wealth is no longer the driving force in our lives.", which again doesn't preclude the idea that, while the acquisition of wealth doesn't drive them or their lives, they may still require some form of salary in order to 'pay their way' around the galaxy.
They already have robots for that.
The scene itself.
He doesn't give a Federation Credit amount. He says money doesn't exist in their society.
To her surprise that he doesn't get paid, he says no, that's no longer the point.
I think in the 24th century the economic system cuts out the "middle man" of money. Today, if you can buy something direct from the manufacturer online, is that not preferable to paying a merchant - Macy's - an additional cost? In the future, we don't bother with the middle man of money to get us working. People won't live entire lives just getting by, working at whatever job (inefficient), or others waste talents not creating anything but large sums of money (same).
Human resource management is vital to the success of companies today because it gets people who should or should not be working in certain positions in or out of those positions. The future economy will use everyone in their best position.
Also, money has another problem: the more of it you promise for higher-level problem solving, the less well workers do at it. Most people do mostly mechanical work and do do better the more they're paid (there's a reason to up the minimum wage), but those with the most power and wealth in society turns out get stupid at the promise of it. A reason to lessen the wage gap then is that it's more conducive to increased productivity: fast forward to about 1:55.
LILY: It took me six months to scrounge up enough titanium just to build a four-metre cockpit. ...How much did this thing cost?
PICARD: The economics of the future are somewhat different. ...You see, money doesn't exist in the twenty-fourth century.
PICARD: The economics of the future are somewhat different. ...You see, money doesn't exist in the twenty-fourth century.
He doesn't give a Federation Credit amount. He says money doesn't exist in their society.
LILY: No money! That means you don't get paid.
PICARD: The acquisition of wealth is no longer the driving force in our lives. ...We work to better ourselves ...and the rest of humanity.
PICARD: The acquisition of wealth is no longer the driving force in our lives. ...We work to better ourselves ...and the rest of humanity.
To her surprise that he doesn't get paid, he says no, that's no longer the point.
I think in the 24th century the economic system cuts out the "middle man" of money. Today, if you can buy something direct from the manufacturer online, is that not preferable to paying a merchant - Macy's - an additional cost? In the future, we don't bother with the middle man of money to get us working. People won't live entire lives just getting by, working at whatever job (inefficient), or others waste talents not creating anything but large sums of money (same).
Human resource management is vital to the success of companies today because it gets people who should or should not be working in certain positions in or out of those positions. The future economy will use everyone in their best position.
Also, money has another problem: the more of it you promise for higher-level problem solving, the less well workers do at it. Most people do mostly mechanical work and do do better the more they're paid (there's a reason to up the minimum wage), but those with the most power and wealth in society turns out get stupid at the promise of it. A reason to lessen the wage gap then is that it's more conducive to increased productivity: fast forward to about 1:55.
Their salary in Federation credits is used to pay for their living expenses; rent, mortgage, utility bills, health, education, travel etc hence no profit
I don't make a profit out of my salary, but I still expect to get paid every month
I doubt Picard will give his family vineyard away for no economic transaction, unless the 'no money' society operates on a barter system. It was a line in a movie that did not fit into ST practise or lifestyle since not everyone has or wants a replicator. And how does one replicate property?
Sisko Snr did not use replicated food in his restaurant, so where did he get all that food from, his own personal farm?
Kelvin universe bar scene, Uhura meets Kirk - all those drinks were free?
Sisko Snr did not use replicated food in his restaurant, so where did he get all that food from, his own personal farm?
Kelvin universe bar scene, Uhura meets Kirk - all those drinks were free?
Picard's retirement is going to be spent on the planet in Insurrection.
That way Picard can enjoy the health benefits he deigned to so many hundreds of billions of others.
Where in Picard's sentence are you seeing the word "no?" Lily didn't ask Picard about "the acquisition of wealth," she ask Picard if he gets paid, a question that he ducks.
And why only better Humanity?
Not sure what you meant there. It's a fact, people who work with their fingers make more money than those who work with their backs. People who work with their minds make more still.
Management skills are more valuable than burger flipping "skills," or the ability to carry a box without dropping it.
To drive small businesses out of business?
To what point? He's already said there's no money in the future (hyperbole, taking the whole Galaxy into account, admittedly), and that 24th century economics work differently. Whatever the rest of the franchise may or may not say, there's no way to read this scene as meaning anything other than currency no longer exists, at least for United Earth.
Which is a out and out lie, people in his own society make purchases inside the Federation.
Without discounting or omitting any of the statements and evidence, something beyond there simply being no money is going on. I mean there are planets in the Federation that are owned by corporations.
He doesn't, even according to your own quote, he says that they have higher motives, not that they don't get paid. Clearly they do have some form of currency, the fact that we keep seeing people using it is a giveaway. How that differs in Picard's mind from "money" is open to interpretation. My best guess is that his usage of the word is far more specific than ours, referring perhaps to cash, or to some other interpretation of the word which we would not necessarily limit ourselves to.
Which is difficult to reconcile unless again by "money" Picard is being rather specific in his definition, given that we know perfectly well a medium for exchange does in fact exist and is used regularly within the federation.
That's a double-edged sword. When the minimum wage gets raised a lot of companies are known to cut the hours of their staff so they won't lose money on paying the new minimum wage. Also, a lot of the time if minimum wage has gone up, so have the prices of everything.
It's only a double-edged sword in a scarcity-based society like ours, where greed is a factor in the higher-ups' willingness to share the wealth. If they get all they want regardless of whether those who work for them get theirs, they're more willing to raise the wages of their employees overall, rather than the piecemeal 'merit' raises that so many are striving to receive now. Over time, their own wealth begins to matter less as they realize that raising the standard of living for the lowest raises it for everyone. And that is the promise of Star Trek's future, that greed will lose its potency among the very wealthy, and they'll see that their own wealth and worth will go up even more if they push everyone else's up as well.
It's obvious, unless you're looking to remove it. Look at natural speaking patterns. The only way that's not a no is if you want it to be not a no. What's the point of the line "money doesn't exist" if it does? We answer questions all the time without first beginning: Affirmative...Negative.
Because that's what she knows.
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They've only used it with foreign transactions, and Jake affirmed they didn't have it within. Paris, as far back as the 22nd century.
He'd be able to give a number if it were a credit amount, even if it wasn't paid in physical currency.
But not as far up as to make the increase unhelpful. This is the same argument against the minimum wage since its creation, yet increases have been helpful until inflation slowly catches up again. That's natural. EDIT: really the min wage should be indexed to whatever the government uses in its own measurements. Same with Social Security.
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im starting to get confused are we talking about the federation, the whole universe or earth : vulcan and earth for sure do not use currency : of course unaligned wokds have currency obviously the ferengi is a prime example do not think thst was ever debated . but as far as i know oart of the federation accord is a free transfer of properties
Picard seems to exist in his own little bubble of complacency when it comes to things like money. Any time he wants something, all he has to do is tell the computer, and he gets it. The computer never tells him that he's used up his monthly allotment of cups of tea and he'll have to make do with water, unless someone else uses up part of their replicator allotment to "buy" him a cup of tea.
This is where Voyager's "ship economy" makes more sense. They don't have unlimited amounts of energy available to run the replicators, so everyone is rationed - including Janeway. Anyone "overspending" their rations or gambling it away is left with the basics, plus whatever leola root-based muck Neelix has cooked up that day.
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