Alice Eve's controversial underwear shot (STID)

[Balok's Decoy]

Kirk was shown to be immature and those around him enabled that by falling for his shit. Marcus was, as everyone here knows, the future Prime universe love interest of Kirk at some stage. So it stood to reason this was to be the roots of - or at the every least, a hint of - that romantic relationship.

He couldn't resist the immature nonsense in that moment (which as said, made sense in context - you can't stick a jumpsuit over a dress!) and instead of falling for his 'charms', Marcus pretty much told him to piss off and so begins the adventure of becoming a better person to prove his worth, just like a billion romantic comedies since the dawn of time.

What I saw was the first step of a larger story. Not a very well constructed one, and leading to no more than the usual average nonsense. But it made sense. It's a quick way to begin that relationship, to give Kirk an emotive reason to evolve into a better person and better captain - much like the matured Kirk we see in Beyond.

See, this is how a scene like that can fit into the story and work in context, rather than being just "look at the half-naked woman." If STID had gone with this approach, and actually tried to show Kirk romantically interested in Marcus and trying to work on his maturity as a result, that scene probably wouldn't have bothered me.

 

[jamestyler]

See, this is how a scene like that can fit into the story and work in context, rather than being just "look at the half-naked woman." If STID had gone with this approach, and actually tried to show Kirk romantically interested in Marcus and trying to work on his maturity as a result, that scene probably wouldn't have bothered me.

Indeed. I expected it to be followed in the next film, and looked forward to it in a way, since Marcus was on board at the end - but obviously.... things change.

It would have been nice to have had such an arc inside Into Darkness itself, but it would have been a bit much having that thread run through it all as well, and to be honest - they didn't do enough to develop Kirk's main arc as it stood anyway :/

 

[stardream]

you can't stick a jumpsuit over a dress!

Every woman who has ever lived in a dorm knows how to change clothes without stripping down to her underwear. There are all kinds of 'magic tricks' to get around that.

 

[T'Bonz]

Gratuitous and it is as if an adolescent male wrote the scene. Not dissimilar to those horrid decon scenes in ST: Enterprise.

Uhura's scene made sense. This was just meant to excite the boys. As a woman, I'm so sick of this shit. Very little has changed since I was young in that regard.

 

[USS Triumphant]

Overall, I chose "I don't care", because 1. when I think back on Into Darkness, that isn't a scene I think about, and 2. I don't really choose to think back on Into Darkness a lot - it was the worst of the three nuTrek films, in my opinion.

That said, it seemed more jarring and gratuitous when I first saw it than did the co-ed shower scene in Starship Troopers, which is saying a lot, since that had actual nudity. I guess I felt like the latter was actually somewhat important to the overall story they were trying to convey, and the underwear scene wasn't.

 

[Khan 2.0]

some more Carol Marcus underwear shots
https://www.facebook.com/Sexystartr...5951065487430/961411930608010/?type=3&theater

 

[urbandefault]

All the outrage reminds me of an article in Esquire . . .

"I should have slept with the better producers. I didn't recognize my worth." - Julie Newmar

http://www.esquire.com/entertainment/interviews/a4014/julienewmar0108/

Unless the women who are paid to do these scenes are complaining, it seems to me that defending their honor is just wasting time. But that's just me.

You don't like it, fine. I don't get the "controversy."

 

[Balok's Decoy]

All the outrage reminds me of an article in Esquire . . .

"I should have slept with the better producers. I didn't recognize my worth." - Julie Newmar

http://www.esquire.com/entertainment/interviews/a4014/julienewmar0108/

Unless the women who are paid to do these scenes are complaining, it seems to me that defending their honor is just wasting time. But that's just me.

You don't like it, fine. I don't get the "controversy."

You should spend more time listening to how it makes women feel. If you want to understand, just read the comment T'Bones posted above. THAT is why it's a problem. It's alienating and insulting to women Trekkies. My gf had the same reaction.

 

[Human-annoyed]

It was about the only scene in the movie that I liked.

 

[urbandefault]

You should spend more time listening to how it makes women feel. If you want to understand, just read the comment T'Bones posted above. THAT is why it's a problem. It's alienating and insulting to women Trekkies. My gf had the same reaction.

I understand some people's reaction based on their own experiences. I'm not an idiot.

But spending years on one two second shot, that by comparison to others in films that are much more demeaning to women, is in my opinion a little ridiculous.

Realizing that I've spent way too much time on this myself, I'm done. You guys keep talking about it if you want.

Better yet, take your lady out for a nice dinner and forget about two insignificant seconds in a movie.

 

[Balok's Decoy]

I understand some people's reaction based on their own experiences. I'm not an idiot.

But spending years on one two second shot, that by comparison to others in films that are much more demeaning to women, is in my opinion a little ridiculous.

Realizing that I've spent way too much time on this myself, I'm done. You guys keep talking about it if you want.

Better yet, take your lady out for a nice dinner and forget about two insignificant seconds in a movie.

A lot of people in this thread seem to think that critics of that scene agonize over it constantly and that's a weird caricature. I thought about it again because it's a topic that came up on this forum. That's about it. I love STID and I just roll my eyes at that scene and enjoy the rest of the movie. I'm not flipping tables over here.

 

[M'Sharak]

on Alice Eve's underwear shot, now that the controversy has died down
[let's see if it can be stirred up again]

Right?

I'll give this a day. If, by the end of that time, it's defied the odds overwhelmingly stacked against it and somehow become a productive topic of discussion, then perhaps it can continue.

After a day, it's kinda looking like we're just treading over all the same ground already well-covered in previous discussions.

Also, we have this:

some more Carol Marcus underwear shots
https://www.facebook.com/Sexystartr...5951065487430/961411930608010/?type=3&theater

Didn't you get the memo? We don't do the babe threads here anymore.

As for this thread: the likelihood of it producing anything new or enlightening appears to be extremely low, so I think it can safely be stopped here.