Spoilers The Flash - Season 3
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I spend a lot of season 2 waiting for Patty to become Hot Pursuit but that didn't happen. I also didn't think that they'd write her out of the show for that reason, yet they did. Right now I'm thinking that they're playing the long game with her and that she'll be back. The upcoming Flashpoint might have been a good way to do that but maybe they have bigger/better plans.
Shantel is going to be on Timeless later today if you're hard up for her return.
Technically, this is for seasons 1 and 2, but I'm not gonna dig up those threads just to post this:
3x01...
Alex Désert as Captain Mendez!
That's quite a pleasant surprise. He wanted to be on the show and now he's the latest to reprise his old role.
Alex Désert as Captain Mendez!
That's quite a pleasant surprise. He wanted to be on the show and now he's the latest to reprise his old role.
Alex Désert as Captain Mendez!
So far that's Amanda Pays, Mark Hamill, Vito D'Ambrosio, and Alex Désert all reprising their original roles, and John Wesley Shipp playing the father of his original role (and another predecessor of a different kind). Since Biff Manard is sadly no longer with us, that just leaves Mike Genovese among the main cast -- and maybe some recurring guest stars like Richard Belzer, Dick Miller, Gloria Reuben, and Joyce Hyser.
^ I wouldn't mind seeing what they do with Paula Marshall. 
Ah, I didn't know Julio that was.
And timeline still fucked up.
And timeline still fucked up.
Great season premiere, but I'm deeply disappointed we only spent a single episode in the Flashpoint timeline. Just really feels like a waste of that big season ending cliffhanger. I get there will be repercussions and all, but if you're going to go there, why use it up on a single episode???
I've realized that I kinda hate the whole Flashpoint story and I wish it hadn't been used as the basis for this series. It's pretty awful to set up a situation where the hero has to decide to, essentially, order a hit on his own mother. And the whole "I broke the timeline trying to improve my life and now I need to put it back" plotline is very cliched. I knew they wouldn't devote more than one or two episodes to this, because once you take away all the larger DC Universe stuff and focus just on Barry, there's not that much story there, and little we haven't seen a dozen times before.
Still, at least the comics' version had some major stakes to justify Barry's decision -- he had to choose to let his mother die because the whole world was doomed if he didn't. Here, he did it only to save Wally, so the stakes were much lower. When the Rival formed the tornadoes, I was expecting them to devastate Central City, so that the loss of life resulting from Barry's choices would be far more massive.
Still, at least the comics' version had some major stakes to justify Barry's decision -- he had to choose to let his mother die because the whole world was doomed if he didn't. Here, he did it only to save Wally, so the stakes were much lower. When the Rival formed the tornadoes, I was expecting them to devastate Central City, so that the loss of life resulting from Barry's choices would be far more massive.
It still bugs me that basically we are presented with the idea that it's ok for Eobard Thawne to change history. But Barry is selfish for trying to stop him. Barry's Mother was not killed by a normal criminal. Like in a regular burglary. No she was killed by a time traveler who changed history! Why are there not side effects from the orignal timeline being changed? Everything we saw since the Pilot is an altered timeline.
EDIT I was writing this before I saw your post Christopher. I am in complete agreement.
EDIT I was writing this before I saw your post Christopher. I am in complete agreement.
I wonder if Mr. Hinkley owned magic red jammies he couldn't work properly because he lost the instruction book for them.
Reverse Flash/Negative Speed Force/Geoff Johns rules on Eobard's powers are the answers. Reverse Flash's powers work counter to Barry's. If Barry time travels, butterfly effect. When Eobard time travels the past that was, is overwritten with the new change of events, which become the status quo. Eobard keeps memories of both timelines though.
In the 2011 Road to Flashpoint series that preceded Flashpoint (authored by Johns), we see how Eobard used his powers to effect his own timeline.
Later in Road to Flashpoint we saw Eobard can use his Negative Speed Force powers on himself.
Aging himself backwards.
Forward
and Beyond at will
Forward
and Beyond at will
Honestly, this is all super confusing and Johns just making things up to fit his interpretations of the character (Eobard). The goal of which to make his stories with Reverse Flash as the villain work.The show doesn't really go into detail of what makes Barry, and Eobard different, but these are the kinds of rules they are playing with. This is why when Eobard kills Barry's mom via time travel, there are no cascading time disrupting effects.
Hope this helps.
This isn't necessarily true, though it requires some time travel gymnastics to justify. It's possible that Thawne's entire existence is predicated on the murder of Barry's mother. In that sense, he's not changing the past relative to himself, just ensuring that it proceeds as it "already had." Whereas Barry is fundamentally altering the sequence of events relative to his own life. It requires presuming that Thawne only exists because of a predestination paradox, where he only becomes the Reverse Flash in a timeline in which Barry's mother is murdered, which only happens because he becomes the Reverse Flash.
It's also possible that the writers just didn't think this stuff through all the way. Which seems the more likely answer, since this wasn't a very good episode. But it puts Flashpoint behind us, and maybe the show can get it's groove back moving forward.
That final scene: I'm thinking a certain previously unseen Rogue is making his presence felt?
Dude wrote his name on the mirror.
I have a sneaking suspicion that the Earth-1 version of Claris might end up becoming Dr. Alchemy rather than The Rival, and that the person who wrote the word Alchemy on that mirror will end up being revealed as the new "big bad" speedster Savitar.
How was Barry still a speedster in the altered timeline? Or Wally one, for that matter? Without Wells/Thawne to cause an accelerator explosion, they couldn't have gained superspeed (unless some other scientist set it off, which was never mentioned throughout the episode). I hate the temporal mechanics of this show.
And who was the Eobard Thawne at the end? Was that a remnant or a parallel-universe Thawne?
I also had to wonder how Barry could "move" people at breakneck speed without, you know, breaking their necks or causing damage. Take Joe, for example. Barry gave him a shower, brushed his teeth, and dressed him up in a matter of seconds. Water doesn't flow as fast as a speedster moves; it would've taken at least 15 seconds to get Joe in and out. And if Barry brushed Joe's teeth rapid-fire, the good detective would've lost all his teeth.
And who was the Eobard Thawne at the end? Was that a remnant or a parallel-universe Thawne?
I also had to wonder how Barry could "move" people at breakneck speed without, you know, breaking their necks or causing damage. Take Joe, for example. Barry gave him a shower, brushed his teeth, and dressed him up in a matter of seconds. Water doesn't flow as fast as a speedster moves; it would've taken at least 15 seconds to get Joe in and out. And if Barry brushed Joe's teeth rapid-fire, the good detective would've lost all his teeth.
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