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MeTV's SuperSci-Fi Saturday Night

"No Escape"--

At a beach side walkway in Santa Maria, David Baron is sleeping on a bench, but is arrested for vagrancy. David tries to explain his way out of the situation--especially after hearing the police will run a check on his identity. As he's placed in the police van, an older man watches--only he's seeing a very different world, one where the police are Francisco Franco's fascist soldiers, who he says wiped out "the entire village." The delusional man (named Tom Wallace) insists on calling David "Ramon," and that they must get to the Stanford Arms, where he will write about their struggle.

Wallace's instability becomes apparent as he speaks of not going back to "that room," where he received shock treatment; he blames his wife & doctor, vowing to kill them. If that was not enough of a red flag, the stenciled marker in his back filled in some blanks:

County Hospital S.M. C.O.

Wallace suffers from flashbacks of his shock treatment, then turns on David, referring to himself as "Papa Hemingway." David is attacked, but turns into the Hulk, breaking out of the police van, turning it over (with "Hemingway" still inside), and knocks two offers aside like toys. "Hemingway" makes his escape, grabbing his journal--and David's bag.

The following day, as a tow lifts the overturned police van, reporters interview Deputy Chief Harry Simon, incredulous about his officers' report of a "7 or 8 foot green man," though the officers' blood alcohol level returned negative, and both agreed to take lie detector tests, which is answered by...

McGee: "They'll pass. You can bet on it. I'm Jack McGee of the National Register. What they saw was the Hulk. Now, these two men who escaped--who were they?"
Simon: "A vagrant and a psycho--just a couple of ordinary guys."
McGee: "Well, its just an ordinary guy who becomes the creature--I've seen him change with my own eyes."
Simon: "Is that right. Well, I've seen your paper, Mr. McGee, and its known for its uh..shall we say....exaggerations."
McGee: "Yeah...well, maybe, but I'm telling you what I know. This uh..Tom Wallace was a local man who escaped from the state hospital, right?"
Simon: "Right."
Reporter #1: "What hospital?
Reporter #2: "How sick was he?"
Reporter #1: "What was he in for?"
Simon: "I don't know. You'll have to talk to his family about that."
McGee: "The vagrant?"
Simon: "He gave his name as uh...David Baron. Probably phony--he had no money, no I.D. A transient."
McGee: "Now this David Baron--what did he look like? Did he have any identifying marks?"
Simon:"I didn't bring him in. Just as I told you, he's a vagrant. You've seen one, you've seen 'em all. Just an ordinary guy."

Elsewhere, Kay Wallace listens to the radio report of Tom Wallace escaping and is shocked by the information....

At the beach, Tom "Hemingway" Wallace suffers more hallucinations, imagining the Hulk running by. Recovering, he goes to the apartment of Robert--and old friend who addresses Wallace as "Papa Hemingway." Wallace's behavior is off track; when Robert questions him about his arrest the previous night, Wallace grins it away as if he is some Hemingway who will simply write it as one of his life's experiences, ignoring the real legal danger he's in. Wallace sends Robert to buy him some clothes, and once alone, Wallace hallucinates again, while quoting from Hemingway's The Snows of Kilimanjaro and Other Stories.

On the boardwalk, David reads a newspaper report of Wallace's escape--also remembering the disturbed man's vow to kill his wife and doctor. Being penniless, he collects bottles on the beach and in trashcans, redeeming it for enough change to call Kay Wallace. Getting no answer, he makes his way to her home--avoiding reporters staked out in front of her home, including McGee.

David warns her of his threats, but she is sure he's harmless--just suffering from the hallucinations. She reveals he was a claims adjuster, but wanted to be a writer--though she doubts if he ever had any talent for it. David insists Tom is dangerous, but is interrupted by McGee at the front door, who nearly spots David.

After David sneaks away from the house, he calls Tom's doctor--Robert Stanley--posing as a "Dr. Johnson" working on Tom's case. David probes, asking if Tom received shock treatment, and if he's capable of violence, but thanks to David using a pay phone, the operator interrupts the call, requesting additional change--raising suspicion in Stanley.

Robert Tom obsesses on Kay and Dr. Stanley--accusing them of institutionalizing him so they could have an affair, all the while, ignoring Robert reminding him that law enforcement is out in force looking for him. Tom hallucinates, and makes the cryptic, mater-of-fact statement that his gun gets faster results than his typewriter....

Desperate, David calls Chief Simon, trying to convince the officer of the threat, only for Simon to trace the call, and send a police car to David's location--barely missing him.

Elsewhere, Kay sits nervously on a bench--observed by Tom; she finds a copy of Hemingway's A Farewell to Arms next to her, and knows Tom is nearby. Tom watches her, but suffers more hallucinations, including the Hulk running at him. David finds Robert, challenging him to help Tom by tuning him in to the police, but is cut off by the armed Tom--still referring to David as Ramon. Feeling he has no choice but to watch Tom, David accompanies Robert & Tom to a skeet shooting range, where Tom displays his accuracy with a shotgun--and continues with his dark delusion--

Tom: "It wasn't just enough to send me away. They had to take away the only thing I had left. They had to take away my writing. Burned it out of me. Cliche plot though, isn't it? As old as the hills--the faithless wife...the conniving psychiatrist..the betrayed artist.......burned it out of me...electrodes in my brain...the talent..its gone. The words, the style..."
David: "Tom...suppose it wasn't true. Suppose you didn't have shock treatments?"
Tom: "Oh, I know what happened. I was there. Me, not you."
David: "The brain is a marvelous instrument. But sometimes to protect us, it can...uh..throw up a wall, and those delusions...those hallucinations become our reality."

While David talks, Tom's hallucinations continue, imagining he's on a big game hunt, shooting at elephants, when in reality, its his own car. He sees the Hulk growling again,

David: "What are you seeing?"
Tom: "Its green...its something I...its a man, I...think it was a man. Huge!"

Robert stares at Tom lost in his hallucinations leading him to shoot at the car.

David: "Tom..."

Tom is struck with pain again, grabbing his head--

Tom: "What's happening to me??"
David: "Tom, the elephants are a reality. The green creature is a reality..but not here. No, not now. Ernest Hemingway did have shock treatments....Tom Wallace did not!"
Tom: "My Wife..and my doctor...they're together now!"
David: "Tom!"
Tom: "No, Ramon. I can't trust you anymore."

Tom leaves...gun in hand.

Robert: "I hope he's alright."
David: "Do you know where he's going?"
Robert: "No."
David: "Well, his Hemingway hallucinations and his delusions about his wife and the doctor finally come together. Now, you can't protect him, because your friend Tom doesn't exist anymore!"
Robert: "He's just working through one of his stories--"
David: "No! He's on his way to commit murder! Now you have to tell me where he's going--I have to get there before he does!"
Robert: "I can't. He'll be alright."
David: "You know how Ernest Hemingway died. He put a gun in his mouth, and he pulled the trigger. Now, you've got to tell me where he's going!"

David hitches a ride to Dr. Stanley's boat, where he finds the doctor and Kay, but his warning is too late--tom emerges, armed and ready to take his revenge. As he prepares to shoot, the police arrive, equipped with tear gas, thanks to Robert. Chief Simon tries to reason with Tom--who now thinks he's facing authorities in Havana. If the situation were not bad enough, McGee drives up, demanding to know who is on the boat with Tom.

On the boat, Dr. Stanley whispers some of his concerns to David--

Stanley: "These hallucinations are typical. He's showing all the symptoms of a paranoid schizophrenic."
David: "But the headaches seem real, and they're getting worse. Couldn't the symptoms--all of them--the hallucinations, the temple pressure...couldn't that be evidence of physiological disorder?"
Stanley: "...a tumor?"
David: "Yes."
Kay: "None of this matters--what's important now is that we get him out of here!"
Tom: "I said be quiet, and I meant it!"

Kay pleads with Tom--offering to help, this time without going to the hospital; but the man suffers a flood of pain and hallucinations--shock therapy & the Hulk among them. Suddenly, Tom orders his hostages off of the boat, but David freezes in his tracks the moment he sees McGee. As Stanley and Kay move to the dock, McGee--arguing that the stranger on the boat is the Hulk--tries to force his past the police, only to be stopped by Simon, who gives Tom one minute to surrender.

Tom: "I wanted to kill them...but I couldn't."
David: "Tom...Tom, that's a good sign. That's a sign that you can be helped. You're not a murderer, Tom. If you give yourself up, you'll get the kind of treatment that you really need."
Tom: "You're never gonna send me back to that place. Never."
David: "If you go out there...with that in your hand, they're going to open fire."
Tom: "I don't think so........I still got one hostage left."

David is forced at gunpoint to inch up the steps to the bridge--

David: "Tom...don't make me do this!"

David spins around, struggling with Tom for control of the gun--just as Simon orders his officers to fire a tear gas canister into the boat. The gas fills the cabin, triggering David's Hulk out. Tom is overcome by the gas, but the creature carries him to to the top deck, where Kay tends to her husband. McGee blocks an officer from shooting the creature*, who sends a rowboat flying at the officers, then leaps into the waters to safely swim away.

At the hospital, Tom is recovering from surgery--his tumor removed. Dr. Stanley notes that the stranger who escaped with Tom seemed to know what he was talking about when suggesting a tumor could be the problem. Tom helps a sketch artist with a description of David, but he's purposely giving details that are the polar opposite of Banner. McGee tells tom he's "all wrong" with his description, but Tom passes that off as being a bit cloudy after brain surgery. Kay smiles, knowing Tom is not going to identify David.

At Robert's apartment, David thanks Robert for holding on to his bag. He still has faith that Tom will be a published author one day, and with that, says goodbye to David.

NOTES:

Yes, that was the great Jack Kirby in a cameo as the sketch artist. I remember many a TIH fan / comic reader being tickled to see Kirby when this first aired. Ironically, by this time in his career, his pencil roughs and animation conceptuals (pencil and/or dyes) were far superior to his published work in comics around this period such as Marvel's 2001: A Space Odyssey adaptation, Devil Dinosaur, Machine Man, etc. Longtime inker Mike Royer did not do his work justice--a far cry from the masterful Joe Sinnott.

Rare for a superhero production, David's plight as a drifter is highlighted with his having no lodging, so he's arrested for vagrancy, and later, collecting bottles to redeem them for a very small amount of money. Both realistic experiences for the homeless, though a weekly TV series would not fully dive into the perils of life as a homeless person (and for this episode, it did not need to). His life is not at all easy, and as seen in "Wildfire," he is not able to fit into every kind of job, making his survival prospects shaky at best.

*McGee stops an officer from shooting the Hulk, but the motive--considering the character development up to this point--strongly appears to be the reporter keeping his ticket to fortune and glory alive. A dead John Doe / Hulk means the entire story (and the link to McGee's own coverage from the beginning) is lost forever, along with his career catapult to "being somebody."

GUEST CAST:

James Wainwright
(Tom Wallace) had a handfull of fantasy credits:
  • Primus - "Underwater Getaway" (Syndicated, 1971)
  • The Sixth Sense - "Eye of the Haunted" (NBC, 1972)
  • Killdozer (NBC, 1974)
  • Beyond Westworld (NBC, 1980)
  • Battletruck (New World Pictures, 1982)


Thalmus Rasulala
(Deputy Chief Simon) left a short but notable list fantasy credits:
  • The Twilight Zone - "The Brain Center at Whipple's" (CBS, 1964)
  • Blacula (as Dr. Gordon Thomas) - (AIP, 1972). Fans will notice three former TOS guest stars in this landmark vampire movie - William Marshall ("The Ultimate Computer"), Charles Macaulay ("The Return of the Archons" & "Wolf in the Fold") and Elisha Cook, jr. ("Court Martial").
  • The Greatest American Hero - "A Chicken in Every Plot" (ABC, 1982).
  • Star Trek: The Next Generation - "Contagion" (Syndicated, 1989).
  • Mom and Dad Save the World (Warner Brothers, 1992).
Skip Homeier (Dr. Stanley) is no stranger to some of the most high profile fantasy produced for TV--and some less than worthy efforts. Overview:
  • Suspense - "Night of Evil" (CBS, 1952),
  • Alfred Hitchcock Presents - "Momentum" (CBS, 1956) & "The Motive" (CBS, 1958).
  • The Outer Limits - "Expanded Human" (ABC, 1964)
  • The Addams Family - "Halloween with the Addams Family" (ABC, 1964)
  • The Ghost and Mr. Chicken - (Universal, 1964)
  • Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea - "The Amphibians" (1965), "The Day the World Ended" (1966), "Attack!" (ABC, 1968).
  • Star Trek - "Patterns of Force" (1968) & "The Way to Eden" (NBC, 1969)
  • The Strange Monster of Strawberry Cove (NBC, 1971)
  • Circle of Fear - "Bad Connection" (NBC, 1972)
  • The Six Million Dollar Man - "Dark Side of the Moon: Part 1" (ABC, 1977)
  • Project U.F.O. - "Sighting 4007: The forest City of Incident" (NBC, 1978)
  • The Bionic Woman - "The Jailing of Jamie" (ABC, 1976) & "On the Run" (NBC, 1978)
  • The Wild, Wild West Revisited - (CBS, 1979)
Of course, Sherman Hemsley (Robert) will forever be associated with the George Jefferson character, but he had a healthy list of fantasy credits:
  • Love at First Bite (AIP, 1979)
  • The Twilight Zone - "I of Newton" (CBS, 1985)
  • Ghost Fever (1986)
  • Dinosaurs (ABC, 1991-94)
  • Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman - "Season's Greetings" (ABC, 1994)
  • The Secret World of Alex Mack - "Annie Bails" (Nickelodeon, 1995)
  • Casper: A Spirited Beginning (Video, 1997)
Mariclare Costello (Kay Wallace) is very light on fantasy credits beyond TIH:
  • Let's Scare Jessica to Death (Paramount, 1971)
 
We'll have to agree to disagree...it's certainly open to interpretation...

I agree that it should have been what they did, and it's what I expected them to do. We interpret it that way because we're filtering it through decades of time-travel stories that have employed such convoluted ideas. But that's our bias. Our perspective is not the same as that of the people who wrote this episode 50 years ago or the audience it was written for. So our own interpretations don't necessarily belong in that context.
 
David Baron is sleeping on a bench, but is arrested for vagrancy.
The very definition of just schlepping around.

David is attacked, but turns into the Hulk, breaking out of the police van
-40:57...not even our third earliest Hulk-Out if we count the flashback in "Of Guilt, Models and Murder," but demonstrating that plot-driven early Hulk-Outs weren't just an early-installment anomaly.

"Hemingway" makes his escape, grabbing his journal--and David's bag.
Ah, I didn't catch that--that explains how Mr. J had the bag at the end. So the episode gives the duffel bag an alibi and provides an explanation for where David got his next set of clothes after the first Hulk-Out (conveniently changing back in a laundromat).

McGee: "Well, its just an ordinary guy who becomes the creature--I've seen him change with my own eyes."
This is the first time that we see McGee's pursuit informed by his knowledge of John Doe. Oddly enough, I think that I may have missed last week's episode when it originally aired, because I had a distinct memory of this being the first episode that I saw after "Mystery Man."

Simon: "He gave his name as uh...David Baron. Probably phony--he had no money, no I.D. A transient."
McGee: "Now this David Baron--what did he look like? Did he have any identifying marks?"
And...any suspension of disbelief about McGee not putting the pieces together to at least consider the possibility that John Doe might be David Banner just got frightened by a leopard and stumbled into a very fragile window.

Being penniless, he collects bottles on the beach and in trashcans, redeeming it for enough change to call Kay Wallace.
The last place the cops will ever look for him! In the Very Clumsy Voice-over department, notice how the lips of the woman at the hot dog stand don't move when she's telling him to wash the bottles next time.

but thanks to David using a pay phone, the operator interrupts the call, requesting additional change
Now that I think of it, that scene had the potential to get very ugly...!

David: "But the headaches seem real, and they're getting worse. Couldn't the symptoms--all of them--the hallucinations, the temple pressure...couldn't that be evidence of physiological disorder?"
Stanley: "...a tumor?"
Undercover Doctor to the rescue!

The gas fills the cabin, triggering David's Hulk out.
-4:09--Now our first runner-up for latest Second Hulk-Out, coming 13 seconds earlier than the one in "Haunted."

Tom helps a sketch artist with a description of David
"A sketch artist," he says....Is that any way to describe royalty?

but he's purposely giving details that are the polar opposite of Banner
Well, he didn't describe David as being a blonde-haired African American woman....

*McGee stops an officer from shooting the Hulk, but the motive--considering the character development up to this point--strongly appears to be the reporter keeping his ticket to fortune and glory alive. A dead John Doe / Hulk means the entire story (and the link to McGee's own coverage from the beginning) is lost forever, along with his career catapult to "being somebody."
I'll agree that's part of his motive, and probably the more dominant one...but following as it does his pleas for John to come back at the end of "Mystery Man," there is room to interpret that McGee now thinks of the creature as a human being.

Star Trek: The Next Generation - "Contagion" (Syndicated, 1989).
And that's where I recognized him from! It was bugging me throughout the episode...I just knew that it was a later Trek production.

Sherman Hemsley
The show's really movin' on up!

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"No Escape": This is a weird one conceptually -- The Incredible Hulk vs. Ernest Hemingway! But somehow it kinda works. No "villain," just a sympathetic, troubled man who needs help, with Bixby getting plenty of use out of the soothing, sensitive, wise persona he does so well. Also it's another illustration of how literate this show was, although I was never a fan of Hemingway.

We've rarely seen this much emphasis on David as a fugitive from the police, except in the episode where the police were corrupt and trying to kill him. Plenty of hiding from McGee here, but having him eluding the cops at the same time adds a fresh angle and some new tension. And at the end there, I think we got the most explicit hint yet that David was willing to trigger a Hulk-out deliberately to get out of a jam, when he said "Don't make me do this" to Tom before wrestling with him for the gun. (Although that scene could've used another take. Bixby pre-emptively put his arm up over his eyes before he looked down and saw the tear gas canister. Also, they cut from a shot with Sherman Hemsley in the back seat of the police car to a shot of him standing in front of the other side of the car just seconds later, too soon to have allowed him to move that far.)

This is our first look at a post-"Mystery Man" McGee in pursuit of the Hulk. At first, the fact that he knows that someone changes into the Hulk doesn't have much effect on his usual M.O., aside from giving him a better idea of what to look for. But the lengths he goes to in order to keep the police from shooting what he knows is a human being are impressive, and they go to show that he has a renewed compassion for John Doe/the Hulk. He's not chasing a murder suspect or a curiosity of cryptozoology anymore -- he's pursuing a friend.


And...any suspension of disbelief about McGee not putting the pieces together to at least consider the possibility that John Doe might be David Banner just got frightened by a leopard and stumbled into a very fragile window.

I had the thought that, if he thinks John Doe was some hapless experimental subject of Banner and Marks's fiendish experiment, maybe he figures John is using "David B." aliases as some kind of homage to Banner. After all, surely Banner himself would never be so stupid as to use names so close to his own, right? Right? (Kinda like my pet theory that Lois Lane doesn't suspect Clark of being Superman because she's convinced Superman would never be so foolish as to think a mere pair of glasses was an effective disguise.)


"A sketch artist," he says....Is that any way to describe royalty?

Ahh, yes, and Jack Kirby beats Stan Lee to his first Marvel cameo by a full decade. (And of course, Lee's first movie cameo was in this same series, in The Trial of the Incredible Hulk.)


I'll agree that's part of his motive, and probably the more dominant one...but following as it does his pleas for John to come back at the end of "Mystery Man," there is room to interpret that McGee now thinks of the creature as a human being.

I'd say there's more than "room." McGee actually broke the grip of two burly police officers and wrestled with a third to save the Hulk from being shot. That's not something you'd do just to protect a story. That kind of thing -- we might call it "tapping into the hidden strength that all humans have" -- requires a deep emotional investment (as David and Elaina discussed during their research in the pilot). McGee was acting out of friendship for the man who saved his life. He's now repaid the debt. And I don't think it'll be the last time.
 
This is a weird one conceptually -- The Incredible Hulk vs. Ernest Hemingway!
It's too bad that they didn't let the Hulk have regular sidekicks on the show like in the comics. A man who turns into a green monster and a lunatic who thinks he's Ernest Hemingway...so much lost potential for a buddy road series....

Also it's another illustration of how literate this show was
Now that you mention it, it seems like exactly the sort of story that Route 66 would have done...minus the green monster. Wouldn't be surprised if they did do something similar.

Also, they cut from a shot with Sherman Hemsley in the back seat of the police car to a shot of him standing in front of the other side of the car just seconds later
(Dammit, I should have saved my "movin' on up" reference....)

I had the thought that, if he thinks John Doe was some hapless experimental subject of Banner and Marks's fiendish experiment, maybe he figures John is using "David B." aliases as some kind of homage to Banner.
That's how I used to rationalize it back when I was a kid...but I went into this episode with no clear memory of whether or not McGee had actually been exposed to any "David B." aliases onscreen, and was aghast to find it right there at the first available opportunity! It still stands to reason that if he had all of these pieces to work with, and was putting that sort of thought into it, he had to at least consider the possibility that this guy was Banner....

The Kirby cameo was a treat, because I knew it existed, but I didn't know which episode it would be coming up in.
 
So do any of you guys ever watch The Land of The Lost?
I used to watch it when it was first on, but I've only seen random episodes since then. It can be pretty surreal, which wasn't unheard of in those days.

New on the U.S. charts in the two weeks since the previous episode:
Can't go wrong with Boston, and Supertramp is a fun band. "The Logical Song" is probably their funniest: "One two three five!" That'll show 'em! :rommie:
 
Episode 3. 'The Trap' written by Edward J. Lakso. originally aired September 27, 1974. while investigating a ruined city Burke and Urko become trapped and must work together.

Lakso, of course, wrote the infamous Star Trek episode 'And the Children Shall Lead'.

personally i think Burke is wasting his time trying to explain what disposable clothing is. or a meal in a pill. Urko has no idea what these things are. nor does he (at first) believe humans could create such things.
 
Ah, I didn't catch that--that explains how Mr. J had the bag at the end. So the episode gives the duffel bag an alibi and provides an explanation for where David got his next set of clothes after the first Hulk-Out (conveniently changing back in a laundromat).

...and let's the audience know David is not above stealing clothes. "Crime" born from absolute necessity--sort of like Kirk & Spock stealing clothes in "The City on the Edge of Forever."


And...any suspension of disbelief about McGee not putting the pieces together to at least consider the possibility that John Doe might be David Banner just got frightened by a leopard and stumbled into a very fragile window.

I maintain he cannot suspect Banner, as even he believes he watched Banner run into the lab and never return to safety, and the biggest "It cannot be Banner" moment of all is that he interpreted Banner & Marks' fear of the Hulk coming back as meaning the creature was a separate being. At best, the only rational conclusion is that "John Doe" was an unidentified man used as an experiment, and there was no forensic evidence concluding David Banner lived through the fire / and is the Hulk.

"A sketch artist," he says....Is that any way to describe royalty?

According to some former Marvel talents, Stan Lee's description of certain people was not too far from that. Heh.

In any case, I have my own view of Kirby in my Notes section.

Well, he didn't describe David as being a blonde-haired African American woman....

He did not have to go that far--a thick necked white male with short hair automatically looks like anyone other than Banner.


I'll agree that's part of his motive, and probably the more dominant one...but following as it does his pleas for John to come back at the end of "Mystery Man," there is room to interpret that McGee now thinks of the creature as a human being.

As you say--its the dominant motive. Speaks volumes. After "Mystery Man," McGee is clearly a self interested, glory seeking "writer" trying to lift himself out of a life of career obscurity by trading on the life and flesh of the Hulk. Since McGee needs a living subject to fill in the blanks of his own reporting of the story (he sees as vindication--not care for the hunted man), a live "John Doe" / Hulk is the key to his attempt to "be somebody." A dead Hulk gives him nothing--no filled gaps, no links, no origin story...nothing. So, McGee blocking the shot was not some miraculous embracing some newfound humanity. His pointed dialogue in "Mystery Man" (and the fact he will corner "John Doe" with a curare-loaded dart gun in the upcoming "Equinox"), means he is self serving to the end--all to seek fortune and glory. He's made his choice--as he so infamously replied to David--and the choice is exploiting the "other guy."

And that's where I recognized him from! It was bugging me throughout the episode...I just knew that it was a later Trek production.

He was a very solid actor who could move through any genre effortlessly.

The show's really movin' on up!

Norman Lear-itis!! Asprin and ice packs....PLEASE! ;)
 
personally i think Burke is wasting his time trying to explain what disposable clothing is. or a meal in a pill. Urko has no idea what these things are. nor does he (at first) believe humans could create such things.

By pointing out things he assumed had no frame of cultural reference for Urko, Burke was trying to "talk down" the ape's hatred and suspicion of humans as violent, lying "beasts." He reasoned that Urko learning the truth would make him (Burke) appear less threatening, and give him incentive to work together. Instead, Urko (after his rescue) wanted his soldier to kill the fugitives because of what he learned--and it was more than being offended by the zoo poster. He exhibited Zaius-like behavior in trying to suppress history and potential influence on 3085 humans.
 
Only got to episode 2 of Planet of the Apes but there seems to be a lot of "Alan" and "Pete". Not sure where the Virdon and Burke naming everyone uses come from. Maybe later in the series?

I did like that the credits had cast playing "A Gorilla", "1st Gorilla" and "2nd Gorilla".
 
Only got to episode 2 of Planet of the Apes but there seems to be a lot of "Alan" and "Pete". Not sure where the Virdon and Burke naming everyone uses come from. Maybe later in the series?

Urko referred to Virdon, Burke, and Galen several times in the early scenes of episode 3. Every time I think of the names "Virdon and Burke," I hear them in Mark Lenard's voice in my mind, so he must've called them that a lot.


"The Trap" wasn't a bad episode. The attempts at futurism were kind of clumsy; Burke was supposed to be from only 1980, but all the stuff they were talking about like nuclear power and food pills seems a bit advanced for just six years in the show's future. The pilot suggested a much later date for the apocalypse -- the book they found showed a 25th-century city -- but here, Burke seemed to be talking about the ruins as if they came from his own era.

Still, aside from that, there was some interesting drama here with the tension between Burke and Urko below and Virdon and Zako on the surface. Even though Urko is a very broad character, there was a degree of nuance that I liked. Urko had a legitimate point of view, in a way -- he had reason to be outraged that humans had kept his ancestors in cages, and though I would never approve of hiding knowledge, I can understand his reasons for wanting to. Meanwhile, Zako turned out to be an ape of integrity, valuing his word of honor and defying Urko's order to break it.

Another downside, though, was a tendency to ride too hard on the "humans smart, apes dumb" thing. Granted, these gorillas are soldiers, not builders or engineers, but it doesn't follow that they would never have heard of a fulcrum, never had to use ropes to lift a heavy object before.

Zako was played by Norman Alden, who had a pretty extensive career in TV and in voice acting. Starting a year before this, he was the voice of Aquaman and Green Arrow on Super Friends. He was also the male lead in Sid & Marty Krofft's Electra Woman and Dyna Girl a couple of years after this. He was even in Back to the Future as Lou, the cafe owner in the 1955 scenes.
 
Conversely, the bit at the end with Tony appearing outside of Tic-Toc ten years early gave away its origin as a deleted scene from the pilot, when Tony said he'd been at the project every day for the past 7 years, something he wouldn't say if he'd been traveling through time for a while. (Although the scene with the younger Jiggs and his lack of mustache helps explain why the pilot made a point of introducing Jiggs in the first place, given that he didn't play a significant role in the episode as aired.) And the scene didn't really fit with what we'd just seen, since the equipment was all suddenly perfectly functional again, and the guy who'd just been escorted away after a heart attack was back at his station.

Correct. The scene with Tony outside in the desert ten years earlier was a scene from the unaired pilot. In the unaired version, Senator Clark asks a lot of the questions, but since he wasn't to be credited in this episode, his lines were looped largely by the technician Jerry, which explains why he was resurrected so quickly!

That scene was inserted to make use of leftover time that was caused by a scene deleted from "End Of The World" with an American preacher played by Nelson Leigh (who remains in the credits but never appears). "End Of The World" was actually the second TIME TUNNEL episode filmed, but aired third. I think they wanted to boost the idea of going into the future as well as the past by scheduling the moon episode earlier. Also the 1910 time period was hardly different from the 1912 Titanic episode.
 
That scene was inserted to make use of leftover time that was caused by a scene deleted from "End Of The World" with an American preacher played by Nelson Leigh (who remains in the credits but never appears).

Oh, that explains it.


"End Of The World" was actually the second TIME TUNNEL episode filmed, but aired third. I think they wanted to boost the idea of going into the future as well as the past by scheduling the moon episode earlier. Also the 1910 time period was hardly different from the 1912 Titanic episode.

That makes sense. Still, it's weird to see episodes that actually end with the start of the next episode and learn that they were aired out of order. I mean, with something like Star Trek or whatever, you complete the edits, send them to the network, and let them decide what order to air them in. But in a faux-serial format like TTT or Lost in Space, the producers would actually have to recut the episodes to fit the broadcast order they and/or the network decided on.

Also, it pretty much prohibits the kind of "production order or broadcast order?" debate you can get with a show like ST:TOS or Space: 1999. The next-episode teasers pretty much compel the episodes to be shown in their original broadcast order.
 
...and let's the audience know David is not above stealing clothes. "Crime" born from absolute necessity--sort of like Kirk & Spock stealing clothes in "The City on the Edge of Forever."
Think they already established that...I recall David climbing a fire escape to grab clothes from a line in an earlier episode a la Kirk. "We'll steal from the rich and give back to the poor...later."

I maintain he cannot suspect Banner, as even he believes he watched Banner run into the lab and never return to safety
Of course he can...he has a lot of new information, and everything he knows about John Doe also fits David Banner. He can always rationalize that Doe's not Banner because of this or that, but to get there, first he has to acknowledge the possibility that Doe is Banner...and we never see any indication that he does that.

As smartly written as this show was, this was an area that could have used some improvement...and I'd expect more of it if it were being produced today.

He did not have to go that far--a thick necked white male with short hair automatically looks like anyone other than Banner.
Wasn't trying to say that he did...just contradicting your assertion that the description given was the "polar opposite" of Banner. I'd say more "subtly altered."

As you say--its the dominant motive. Speaks volumes. After "Mystery Man," McGee is clearly a self interested, glory seeking "writer" trying to lift himself out of a life of career obscurity by trading on the life and flesh of the Hulk. Since McGee needs a living subject to fill in the blanks of his own reporting of the story (he sees as vindication--not care for the hunted man), a live "John Doe" / Hulk is the key to his attempt to "be somebody." A dead Hulk gives him nothing--no filled gaps, no links, no origin story...nothing. So, McGee blocking the shot was not some miraculous embracing some newfound humanity.
I'm somewhere between you and @Christopher on this issue, and probably veering more towards his side. I do think that McGee has a conscience buried under that "compassion is for suckers" exterior, and that his actions are now informed by a newfound compassion for John Doe as a human being...but I don't think it's something that he would consciously admit to himself, so he's still focused on John Doe primarily from a "get the story" angle, not out of some selfless urge to help him. The ambiguity of McGee's motives after "Mystery Man" really makes the character for me, and I like to think that it was deliberate on the part of the creators.

Norman Lear-itis!! Asprin and ice packs....PLEASE! ;)
:lol: As someone who grew up watching shows like The Jeffersons, clearly I have a little more fondness for them than you do.
 
Paul Carr had double duty on the Irwin Allen shows last evening. He was the photographer in "Framed" on LAND OF THE GIANTS, and the miner trapped in the "Ends Of The World" segment of THE TIME TUNNEL. He'll show up again in THE TIME TUNNEL in a few weeks as Paris in "Revenge Of The Gods.
 
Paul Carr had double duty on the Irwin Allen shows last evening. He was the photographer in "Framed" on LAND OF THE GIANTS, and the miner trapped in the "Ends Of The World" segment of THE TIME TUNNEL. He'll show up again in THE TIME TUNNEL in a few weeks as Paris in "Revenge Of The Gods.

Poor Paris doesn't seem like he's getting any from Helene in that episode and he gets stabbed by Ulysses to boot.
 
Of course he can...he has a lot of new information, and everything he knows about John Doe also fits David Banner. He can always rationalize that Doe's not Banner because of this or that, but to get there, first he has to acknowledge the possibility that Doe is Banner...and we never see any indication that he does that.

As smartly written as this show was, this was an area that could have used some improvement...and I'd expect more of it if it were being produced today.

Yeah, I suppose that since McGee has spent the series up to now trying to convince skeptics that the Hulk existed at all, and has now begun trying to convince skeptics that there's a guy who turns into the Hulk, there's no reason they couldn't have added "I suspect that David Banner is alive and is the man who becomes the Hulk" to the list of McGee's claims that others refused to believe. They could've had him suspect without having proof, so that would've retained the dynamic of David having to hide his face from McGee. Now that I consider that, it's a bit odd that they never went there, "Broken Image" aside.


Wasn't trying to say that he did...just contradicting your assertion that the description given was the "polar opposite" of Banner. I'd say more "subtly altered."

Yeah. Calling a black-haired, big-boned Caucasian male the polar opposite of a dark brown-haired, lean Caucasian male is pretty completely misunderstanding the meaning of "polar opposite."

I'm somewhere between you and @Christopher on this issue, and probably veering more towards his side. I do think that McGee has a conscience buried under that "compassion is for suckers" exterior, and that his actions are now informed by a newfound compassion for John Doe as a human being...but I don't think it's something that he would consciously admit to himself, so he's still focused on John Doe primarily from a "get the story" angle, not out of some selfless urge to help him. The ambiguity of McGee's motives after "Mystery Man" really makes the character for me, and I like to think that it was deliberate on the part of the creators.

Absolutely it was. McGee was always meant to be as much protagonist as antagonist -- not a black-hat villain by any stretch of the imagination, but a flawed yet sympathetic character who could be an adversary to Banner yet occasionally be the good guy in his own right, someone we could root for or at least empathize with. As we discussed before, he's basically Carl Kolchak seen from the monster's point of view.


Paul Carr had double duty on the Irwin Allen shows last evening. He was the photographer in "Framed" on LAND OF THE GIANTS, and the miner trapped in the "Ends Of The World" segment of THE TIME TUNNEL. He'll show up again in THE TIME TUNNEL in a few weeks as Paris in "Revenge Of The Gods.

"Framed" was mostly pretty good. It was a clever idea -- the "Little People" witnessing a murder and trying to figure out how to get the evidence to the police -- and there was a lot of suspense as they tried to get the incriminating photo developed under the killer's nose. But it kind of lost focus toward the end. Why would the photographer call the police about the Little People just when he found there was incriminating evidence against him? Why didn't he destroy the print first? Once the print disappeared, why did he encourage the police to look for the LP when he knew they must be the ones who took the photo? And the whole "We have to leave the lens here, it's the only way to get out unseen" thing didn't work because the cops took the killer away while the LP were still hiding behind the coat rack. After that, they should've had plenty of time to get out with the lens.

I remember reading that the show inherited a bunch of oversized props from some movie or something. I wonder if the genesis for this episode was that they happened to have a giant camera prop and wrote a story around it.
 
Wow. The shuttle Columbia, the Egypt-Israel treaty, and Three Mile Island all within days of each other? That was a big week.

I really thought great events were to be had in the near-future around this time period. It all felt very heady.
Now--it still feels like the 1990s--except with 9/11--and little else.

"No Escape": This is a weird one conceptually -- The Incredible Hulk vs. Ernest Hemingway! But somehow it kinda works.... it's another illustration of how literate this show was, although I was never a fan of Hemingway.

His most powerful short story--to me--is the lesser known work called: A Natural History of the Dead.

http://www.24grammata.com/wp-conten...tural-History-oft-he-Dead-24grammata.com_.pdf

That and: A Clean, Well-Lighted Place
http://www.mrbauld.com/hemclean.html

It is a work I only began to understand as I got older.
 
By the way, Land of the Giants: "Framed" got me thinking about the coincidence that this group of people from 1983 landed in a world at a technological level so close to their own -- essentially about 15 years behind them, though with occasional bits of sci-fi technology in later episodes. I mean, how different would this story have been if the giants had digital photography instead of using film and darkrooms and developer fluids? Also, this story would never have worked if the giants' forensic science had included DNA analysis. It would've been easy to prove that the photographer's DNA was on the model and the hobo's wasn't. And seeing that cop just pick up the evidence with his bare hands instead of bagging it carefully was wince-inducing. Were they really still that careless about trace evidence in 1968, or was that just a bit of sloppy directing?

For that matter, even shoeprints could've been sufficient to prove that the hobo had been nowhere near the body, while the photographer had been right there. There's all sorts of forensic evidence that could've been used, even well before DNA came along. So maybe the forensic science on the giants' world is just really backward.
 
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